ESPN: Manning adjusting to new-look WR corps

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Posted by ESPN.com's Sal Paolantonio

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Eli Manning knows exactly what happened last year.
"We had a good shot at repeating. We were playing good football. And we let one slip away," he said, looking around the Giants' brand new locker room. "We all talked about it -- the guys in this room have talked about it. We all know what's at stake here. We think we have something special -- just like last year."

But last year, that something special -- an 11-1 start -- was shot down, literally, when Pro Bowl wide receiver Plaxico Burress shot himself in the thigh and was arrested for illegal possession of a handgun in Manhattan. He was suspended for the final four games of the season.

The Giants could not beat the Eagles and exited the playoffs in the second round -- at home, no less. In the final 23 quarters of the season, with Burress at home nursing his self-inflicted wound, Manning did not throw a touchdown pass to a wide receiver.

Fast forward to Monday's OTA, the beginning of Manning's sixth NFL season. He has a Lombardi Trophy in his case. But as he hungers for another title shot, he begins the 2009 without a bona fide No. 1 wide receiver.

On the first play of the morning practice, he strolled up to the line of scrimmage with that near-nonchalant gait of his and looked at the Giants' first-team offense. Burress is long gone, released by the team. Also released: Amani Toomer, who was unceremoniously jettisoned after 13 seasons in New York.

Instead, playing in the No. 1 spot was Steve Smith, the third-year pro out of USC who is moving from the slot position he occupied in 2008. On the other side was Domenik Hixon, the speedy kick returner who is being asked to assume a more dominant role in an offense that sputtered down the stretch last season.

"No Plax, no Toomer -- it feels different without those guys," said Manning, "but I like this group. It's a competitive group. It's a group that works hard. Nobody's getting any special treatment. Nobody has an ego. It's a group that cares about everybody else. It's a good group."

Indeed, it's a group in every sense of that word: Nobody stands out. In the slot is the underachieving Sinorice Moss, who came out of Miami four years ago with the promise of his brother, Santana, but had just 12 catches and two touchdowns last season. Behind him is Mario Manningham, who never got traction as a rookie in 2008.

David Tyree, coming back from an injury-plagued season, rounds out the top five.

Behind them on the depth chart are the two rookies, Hakeem Nicks, who was drafted in the first round out of North Carolina, and Ramses Barden, a third-round pick out of Cal-Poly.

Those two picks -- a first and a third -- might have been parlayed into a trade for the Cleveland Browns wide receiver Braylon Edwards, a trade the Giants flirted with this spring but not could not get done.

And this is the big question that will hang over this team: Having decided not to pull the trigger on the Edwards trade (or one for disgruntled Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin), do the Giants have enough in this crop of inexperienced, underachieving wide receivers to get back to the NFC Championship Game?

"It's not exactly like starting over, but we are trying right now to get on the same page," said Manning. "I'm trying to learn their body language. I'm trying to talk to them on the field and in the huddle and in the meetings, trying to develop chemistry. You don't want any bad habits to develop."

And Manning said he's got to do some things differently, too. "There is more speed on the field, now, so I have to get the ball out quicker," he said.

For the first time in his career, Manning said he feels more like a coach on the field.

"With some of the young receivers and the young guys at quarterback, I'm just trying to get into it a little more with them and help them out and it's helping me out, too, getting to down the kindergarten level of the offense and keep the basics sharp," he said.

There is particular focus and pressure on Smith, who is moving from the slot to the No. 1 spot.

"I want to play faster, be more productive," said Smith, who averaged just 10.1 yards a catch and had only one touchdown reception last year. "I'm just trying to develop something with Eli."

Smith's mere presence, in fact, the perfect attendance of the entire receiving corps, puts Manning ahead of the game from the years with Burress, who often spent the spring in Miami, working out on his own or with Jeremy Shockey, who was sent packing to New Orleans last year.

There is one guy who loves to see everybody participating -- the head coach.

"It sends the right message," said Tom Coughlin. "It tells everybody that every guy is here for the same reason and trying to help our team be as good as it can be. It is very difficult to get that done when we are not here. Guys are here working. You have the older guys sharing with the younger guys. You have that natural process. And obviously you are trying to create the team concept with everything that you do. And to have everyone here certainly helps escalate that."

But Manning relied so much on Burress, who often drew a double-team and used his size and wingspan to convert poor throws into big plays. Right now, there is no replacement for that threat combination -- no go-to guy who can make Manning look good when he lapses into one of his frequent bouts of inconsistency.

"I don't think you necessarily need that one guy," Manning said. "You can have three or four guys step up. If one guy steps up, he will push the others, no question."

Right now, with practice in shorts and helmets, Manning is impressed by the two rookies. Hicks is clearly polished and will no doubt push to be the starting slot receiver. And at 6-foot-6, Barden looks like a nice red-zone battery mate -- he better be because Barden has virtually no separation speed.

"They both catch the ball with ease, very naturally," said Manning. "When you're thinking too much, the first thing to go are the hands. And we haven't seen that with them."

But right now both are buried on the depth chart, trying to learn the intricacies of offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride's offense, and learning to block, which is critical when the Giants roll out a heavy does of Brandon Jacobs, which is often.

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Giants finish the regular season at 12-4 and get bounced in the divisional round by a divisional rival, sounds earily similar to one of our seasons. (I know were 13-3 lol) here is my prediction for the giants in 2009, 9-7 and miss the playoffs, again, earily similar to one of our seasons. Here is to our 2009 season being earily similar to one of theirs!
 

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I love how when the giants lose in the divisional round, they write it as the giants lost in the 2nd round, when Dallas lost in the Divsional round it was dallas goes out in their first Postseason game!!

Plus, Had romo said we let one slip away, people would be going crazy nationally acting like he is arrogant and doesnt respect the other team. I love how that just slides by.

We let one slip away is essentially exactly what Wade phillips said all last year about 07 and every single media member and fan...mysefl included hammered him on it.....even though its the truth from both people saying it!

I love how when sal palantonio covers the eagles and giants everything is in a positive light and how they are getting better or how dangerous they are.........when are local guys who work nationally like Ed Werder or matt mosley write about Dallas its how disaster is just a minute away and how we are simply terrible and basically valley ranch is a holding cell for criminals.

Pretty funny.

Having said all that, a determined giants team might blow through this division and this conference.
 

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Dallas, as bad as they were last year, might have fared better in a different division. The Skins are a joke but manage to bounce into the playoffs as often as we have lately. The Eagles and Giants are well-coached veteran leadership type teams with strong defenses and scores to settle, just as we are.

We should be able to shut down the Skins and Giants - the Eagles I think will be our archrival this year. Say what you want about McNabb, Eli has never torched us the way he has...
 

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theebs;2795598 said:
I love how when the giants lose in the divisional round, they write it as the giants lost in the 2nd round, when Dallas lost in the Divsional round it was dallas goes out in their first preseason game!!

Plus, Had romo said we let one slip away, people would be going crazy nationally acting like he is arrogant and doesnt respect the other team. I love how that just slides by.

We let one slip away is essentially exactly what Wade phillips said all last year about 07 and every single media member and fan...mysefl included hammered him on it.....even though its the truth from both people saying it!

I love how when sal palantonio covers the eagles and giants everything is in a positive light and how they are getting better or how dangerous they are.........when are local guys who work nationally like Ed Werder or matt mosley write about Dallas its how disaster is just a minute away and how we are simply terrible and basically valley ranch is a holding cell for criminals.

Pretty funny.

Having said all that, a determined giants team might blow through this division and this conference.

When you're baiting Cowboy fans, it's the negative angle that sells. I'm sort of surprised the same doesn't apply to the Giants, but I don't doubt that the slant of the respective articles is intentional.

The Giants should be a contender. I don't like them as much as I like the Eagles, though, at this point.
 

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theebs;2795598 said:
I love how when the giants lose in the divisional round, they write it as the giants lost in the 2nd round, when Dallas lost in the Divsional round it was dallas goes out in their first preseason game!!

Plus, Had romo said we let one slip away, people would be going crazy nationally acting like he is arrogant and doesnt respect the other team. I love how that just slides by.

We let one slip away is essentially exactly what Wade phillips said all last year about 07 and every single media member and fan...mysefl included hammered him on it.....even though its the truth from both people saying it!

I love how when sal palantonio covers the eagles and giants everything is in a positive light and how they are getting better or how dangerous they are.........when are local guys who work nationally like Ed Werder or matt mosley write about Dallas its how disaster is just a minute away and how we are simply terrible and basically valley ranch is a holding cell for criminals.

Pretty funny.

Having said all that, a determined giants team might blow through this division and this conference.

I just dont see it. The Giants dont scare me, at ALL.

Matter of fact, they're in worse shape than we are, and I think they'll finish 3rd in the division and miss the playoffs.

Everyone keeps talking about how we lost TO blah blah.

They lost their starting 2 WR's and dont have the game's best TE, nor their trio of RB's like they did last year.

Screw the Giants, they aint **** in 2009.
 

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NextGenBoys;2795620 said:
I just dont see it. The Giants dont scare me, at ALL.

Matter of fact, they're in worse shape than we are, and I think they'll finish 3rd in the division and miss the playoffs.

Everyone keeps talking about how we lost TO blah blah.

They lost their starting 2 WR's and dont have the game's best TE, nor their trio of RB's like they did last year.

Screw the Giants, they aint **** in 2009.


You being right would make me one happy camper.
 

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NextGenBoys;2795620 said:
I just dont see it. The Giants dont scare me, at ALL.

Matter of fact, they're in worse shape than we are, and I think they'll finish 3rd in the division and miss the playoffs.

Everyone keeps talking about how we lost TO blah blah.

They lost their starting 2 WR's and dont have the game's best TE, nor their trio of RB's like they did last year.

Screw the Giants, they aint **** in 2009.

Wholly agreed. You don't lose 45% of your rushing attack and get better.

You don't lose your top 2 receivers and get better. You really don't start your 3rd receiver as your primary receiving threat, at best a slot guy, and get better offensively.

Where would we be ranked with Miles Austin as our #1 receiver, yet the Giants must be giving out fruit and "light touch" massage sessions to the mediots to get the rankings we're seeing out there.
 

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theebs;2795598 said:
I love how when the giants lose in the divisional round, they write it as the giants lost in the 2nd round, when Dallas lost in the Divsional round it was dallas goes out in their first Postseason game!!

Plus, Had romo said we let one slip away, people would be going crazy nationally acting like he is arrogant and doesnt respect the other team. I love how that just slides by.

We let one slip away is essentially exactly what Wade phillips said all last year about 07 and every single media member and fan...mysefl included hammered him on it.....even though its the truth from both people saying it!

I love how when sal palantonio covers the eagles and giants everything is in a positive light and how they are getting better or how dangerous they are.........when are local guys who work nationally like Ed Werder or matt mosley write about Dallas its how disaster is just a minute away and how we are simply terrible and basically valley ranch is a holding cell for criminals.

Pretty funny.

Having said all that, a determined giants team might blow through this division and this conference.

All so true. When we had the best record in the conference and lost first round, it was Armageddon time. Somehow when they did, it got glossed over.

I'm with you, I think the Giants will be really good, especially in their defensive line. They still have a great O-line and they will run the ball and play tough. My one complaint with the Giants coverage this offseason is acting like their WRs are some great group because of a couple of rookies, when everyone knows rookie WRs almost never contribute much.

I still think they'll be a good team, though.
 

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Eli Talks About His New-Look, No-Name Wideout Corps
Posted by Mike Florio on June 2, 2009, 7:29 a.m.

Giants quarterback Eli Manning recently said that he doesn’t think the team needs receiver Plaxico Burress. The evidence, based on last year’s stretch run without him, suggests otherwise.

ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio points out that, over the final 23 quarters of the season, Manning threw zero touchdown passes to his teammates who play receiver.

And that group included veteran Amani Toomer, who has since joined Burress in the category of “former Giant.”

“No Plax, no Toomer — it feels different without those guys,” Manning told Paolantonio. “But I like this group. It’s a competitive group. It’s a group that works hard. Nobody’s getting any special treatment. Nobody has an ego. It’s a group that cares about everybody else. It’s a good group.”

The projected starters are Steve Smith (not that one) and Domenik Hixon, with chronic underachiever Sinorice Moss in the slot. Mario Manningham and David Tyree currently hold the fourth and fifth spots, with rookies Hakeem Nicks and Ramses Barden at the bottom of the totem pole, for now.

“It’s not exactly like starting over, but we are trying right now to get on the same page,” said Manning. “I’m trying to learn their body language. I’m trying to talk to them on the field and in the huddle and in the meetings, trying to develop chemistry. You don’t want any bad habits to develop.”

It’s a luxury Manning rarely had with Burress, who often avoided offseason workouts in the same way he should have avoided carrying a Glock in the waistband of his sweatpants.

Coach Tom Coughlin told Paolantonio that the presence of all of the receivers for offseason drills is a very good thing.

“It sends the right message,” Coughlin said. “It tells everybody that every guy is here for the same reason and trying to help our team be as good as it can be. It is very difficult to get that done when we are not here. Guys are here working. You have the older guys sharing with the younger guys. You have that natural process. And obviously you are trying to create the team concept with everything that you do. And to have everyone here certainly helps escalate that.”

Still, the man who had a huge role in helping the Giants win Super Bowl XLII is gone. And his absence late in the 2008 season very possibly kept them from winning another one. And unless the Giants are one of the three teams who supposedly have serious interest in signing Burress, he won’t be back.

So Manning has no choice but to be optimistic.

“I don’t think you necessarily need that one guy,” Manning said. “You can have three or four guys step up. If one guy steps up, he will push the others, no question.”

Fine, but what the hell else would he say?

In our view, the Giants learned that not having a wideout who commands double coverage essentially gives the opposing defense an extra player. In turn, that makes it even harder for the Giants to run the rest of their offense.

Thus, the sooner they can develop someone who generates the on-field respect that Burress routinely received, this team will have a hard time getting to the Super Bowl — and once there getting past the AFC’s representative.

Along the way, we’ll find out whether Eli Manning is a franchise quarterback or, as Fran Tarkenton recently said, “just a guy.”
 
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