ESPN Scouts: DL Rankings... Dallas #12 *** Merged ***

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Phoenix-Talon;1553140 said:
I expected no less. You gave it, that's that! Won't alter anything, just your opinion. Just like mine differs from yours ...ESPN differs from both ours.

Facts bear out my opinion.

Phoenix-Talon said:
Believe the assessment was based on overall effectiveness ...regardless of whether or not that comes in the form of a "3-4/4-3." The ability to stop the forward progression of any given opponent's effort to advance the ball.
But you go right on believing Dallas isn't underrated ...that's your perrogative too.

My main point is that it's incorrect to throw a blanket rating over both 3-4 and 4-3 defensive lines. They're asked to do different things.

As are the linebackers.
 

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stasheroo;1553144 said:
Facts bear out my opinion.

Here's some facts that denote that ESPN was not too far off the mark. Indeed, here are the DL ratings at the end of the 2006 Regular Season ...

13) Dallas Cowboys

15) Philadelphia Eagles

That's only a two-team differential. That's why I was saying Dallas was underrated.
 

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Phoenix-Talon;1553107 said:
Sure, guilty before proven innocent ...I understand what you're saying and why you're saying it. I can't control that! Anyway, here's my list ...

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8) Eagles

9) Cowboys

10) Vikings


If this were your first post here, I would say you have a point. However, you have a well known history here... and that history says you come with some type of camoflaged cutdown about the Cowboys that is cloaked in all sorts of flowery, half-compliments. You always try hard not to be viewed as a troll, all the while spewing thinly veiled insults about the Cowboys. That's your MO.

Staying with that MO... you come back with a poor little me being accused when I haven't done anything, excuse. I would have been surprised if you hadn't played that part. Now you'll likely seriously give Dallas some compliments... just to show that I was wrong in accusing you.

It's like me going to an Eagles board and posting an article that says McNabb can't stay healthy, pukes in big games, thinks he's the whole team and is about done which is why Andy drafted Kolb, and then saying, "Do you guys think this is true? I'm not a troll, I just want to know to what degree you guys think Donnie is washed up."

It's a way of pointing out that McNabb has issues and lot's of them. It is trolling, but in a subtle way. Philly fans wouldn't take kindly to it either.

That's what you do and frankly, because you've done it so much in the past... even if you do post something genuine, it's hard to imagine that you aren't being a troll. You always come across as disingenuous and it is your own fault that you're viewed that way here at the Zone.
 

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Phoenix-Talon;1553107 said:
Sure, guilty before proven innocent ...I understand what you're saying and why you're saying it. I can't control that! Anyway, here's my list ...

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8) Eagles

9) Cowboys

10) Vikings

The Vikings interior DL puts them above both of our teams.
 

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Vintage;1553158 said:
The Vikings interior DL puts them above both of our teams.


I would agree with this. Vikings, IMO, are vastly superior on the DL to either of us. Very good call IMO.
 

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Vintage;1553158 said:
The Vikings interior DL puts them above both of our teams.

But conversely, their pass rush is anemic.

If the Vikings had even a mediocre pass-rushing defensive end, they'd be much better.

But I agree. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better tackle twosome than Williams/Williams.
 

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stasheroo;1553170 said:
But conversely, their pass rush is anemic.

If the Vikings had even a mediocre pass-rushing defensive end, they'd be much better.

But I agree. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better tackle twosome than Williams/Williams.

I'd guess you could make an arguement for Stroud/Henderson too...



But I think the Vikings get the nod just because of how elite their interior DL is.
 

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stasheroo;1553170 said:
But conversely, their pass rush is anemic.

If the Vikings had even a mediocre pass-rushing defensive end, they'd be much better.

But I agree. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better tackle twosome than Williams/Williams.


Erasmus and Udeze are still pretty young. Won't be long, IMO, before those guys are scary good. Throw in Darrion Scott and they will be formidable.
 

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AsthmaField;1553157 said:
If this were your first post here, I would say you have a point. However, you have a well known history here... and that history says you come with some type of camoflaged cutdown about the Cowboys that is cloaked in all sorts of flowery, half-compliments. You always try hard not to be viewed as a troll, all the while spewing thinly veiled insults about the Cowboys. That's your MO.

Staying with that MO... you come back with a poor little me being accused when I haven't done anything, excuse. I would have been surprised if you hadn't played that part. Now you'll likely seriously give Dallas some compliments... just to show that I was wrong in accusing you.

It's like me going to an Eagles board and posting an article that says McNabb can't stay healthy, pukes in big games, thinks he's the whole team and is about done which is why Andy drafted Kolb, and then saying, "Do you guys think this is true? I'm not a troll, I just want to know to what degree you guys think Donnie is washed up."

It's a way of pointing out that McNabb has issues and lot's of them. It is trolling, but in a subtle way. Philly fans wouldn't take kindly to it either.

That's what you do and frankly, because you've done it so much in the past... even if you do post something genuine, it's hard to imagine that you aren't being a troll. You always come across as disingenuous and it is your own fault that you're viewed that way here at the Zone.

Yeah...man did you hit the nail on the head!! That's what he's been doing since I first came here! :laugh2:


Then he would post full screen pictures of some lame eagle player and then put "get it"..."get some"..."bring it"....crap like that. Now that everyone knows what he's all about with his veiled posts...he's been trying to clean his act up...however, the damage has been done!! If you really pay attention to his posts, almost everyone of them takes a shot at the Cowboys in some way...you just have to know him and where to look...he does it all the time...

:laugh1:
 
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