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ABQCOWBOY;1549854 said:
The funny part of this is that they use Shockey's career averages to justify the Giants position on this list.

Shockey's career averages:

64 catches a season, 11.5 YPC, 7 TDs (and even thou they didn't list it) 721.8 Yards per season.


Witten's:

63 Catches a season, 11.3 YPC, 3.5 TDs, 709.5 Yards per season.

Outside of TDs, the production is very close to identical. You figure that Witten is a much more accomplished blocker, IMO and I guess I fail to see how the Giants can be considered better then we are.

I'm sure it's only me.

Here's how Heap stacks up. I like Todd Heap but honestly, at what point does this guy put down the bottle and realize that he's so full of crap, it's amazing he had the where withall to even get the story filed?

Amazing.

52.6 Catches a season, 11.6 YPC, 4.3 TDs, 609.6 Yards per season.
 

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Vintage;1549753 said:
5 seconds before someone comes in here and claim's Anti-Dallas Cowboy bias.

There is a reason we were 9-7 last year. We aren't as good as many people think we are.

so a Pro Bowl TE and 2nd round pick to back him up isn't as good as we think? I love how you try to keep us on an even keel, but in this instance, it makes no sense
 

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Bob Sacamano;1549932 said:
so a Pro Bowl TE and 2nd round pick to back him up isn't as good as we think? I love how you try to keep us on an even keel, but in this instance, it makes no sense

I was talking about in general...every time a ranking comes out, we are underrated and people wonder why we aren't ranked higher. Well, maybe we overrate our players.

TE is a position, one of few, that I think we are truly elite at.
 

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Vintage;1549993 said:
I was talking about in general...every time a ranking comes out, we are underrated and people wonder why we aren't ranked higher. Well, maybe we overrate our players.

TE is a position, one of few, that I think we are truly elite at.

ok, but if it doesn't apply, why say it?

but I get your point, just don't know why you had to include that statement here
 

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10. Dallas Cowboys

Jason Witten is ranked tenth, and Fasano isn't mentioned, but the combination of veterans L.J. Smith and Matt Schobel, along with midround draft choice Brent Celek, gives the Eagles a very formidable tight end corps, which is ranked above Witten. I'm sorry, but whoever the author is of this crap is extremely biased, or relying on dope to formulate his opinion.
 

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let me ask a question: There is 1:28 left in the 4th and u have to choose one TE between JW, KW II, Gates, and Shockey. Which one has the biggest play capability? Whom do u fear most?

I like our guy better than Jeremy Mouth, but all things considered, IMO he is the SECOND most dangerous TE in the league. He isn' t as consistent as the others with the exception of Winslow, but let's not jump to "oh he's always overrated". He's the guy in this situation I would pick.
 

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mmohican29;1550026 said:
let me ask a question: There is 1:28 left in the 4th and u have to choose one TE between JW, KW II, Gates, and Shockey. Which one has the biggest play capability? Whom do u fear most?

I like our guy better than Jeremy Mouth, but all things considered, IMO he is the SECOND most dangerous TE in the league. He isn' t as consistent as the others with the exception of Winslow, but let's not jump to "oh he's always overrated". He's the guy in this situation I would pick.



The other side of that is who can pick up the blitz or who can get the block that springs the back on the critical third and short.
 

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FLcowboy;1550022 said:
Jason Witten is ranked tenth, and Fasano isn't mentioned, but the combination of veterans L.J. Smith and Matt Schobel, along with midround draft choice Brent Celek, gives the Eagles a very formidable tight end corps, which is ranked above Witten. I'm sorry, but whoever the author is of this crap is extremely biased, or relying on dope to formulate his opinion.
 

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bobtheflob;1549747 said:
8. Chicago Bears
The first-round selection of the talented Greg Olsen, along with nine-year veteran Desmond Clark, gives the Bears a formidable tandem at tight end. Clark has natural receiving skills and is an excellent route runner. He uses his foot quickness and agility to get separation in short and intermediate zones. He has very soft hands and can make tough receptions in traffic. Clark is not a physical blocker, but can wall off well enough to make room to run on the edge. Olsen is an unproven NFL commodity who has the potential to be an impact player as a rookie. If he can gain strength and learn the Bears' system quickly, he will give Chicago the flexibility of having two excellent receiving tight ends on the field simultaneously. John Gilmore is Chicago's third tight end. He is primarily used in goal-line and short-yardage situations.

9. Philadelphia Eagles
The combination of veterans L.J. Smith and Matt Schobel, along with midround draft choice Brent Celek, gives the Eagles a very formidable tight end corps. Smith has good size and athleticism to be an effective run-blocker and receiver. Smith generates effective power as a run-blocker with quickness, hand use and leg strength. He has soft hands and has developed into an excellent route runner since entering the league in 2003. Smith displays power and agility after the catch and had his best season moving the chains in 2006. Schobel was a solid acquisition for the Eagles in the offseason, giving the offense another good receiver who can be used as an H-back or on the line of scrimmage. Philadelphia's air attack spreads the ball well to several positions and this group of athletic tight ends should add to the already-versatile Eagles offense.

I think a respectable case can be made for all of the ones ahead of Dallas but these two.
 

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bobtheflob;1549747 said:
2. Kansas City Chiefs
Gimme a break. Even the Chef fans up here won't buy that and they are more bias than most of us are.
 

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The Eagles one is hilarious. Im sure thats news to Eagles fans.

Also the Bears? So who ever took Greg Olsen automatically moves into the top 10?
 

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Vintage;1549993 said:
I was talking about in general...every time a ranking comes out, we are underrated and people wonder why we aren't ranked higher. Well, maybe we overrate our players.

TE is a position, one of few, that I think we are truly elite at.
If it doesn't apply in this case, why post the comment in this thread? Adding that comment to this thread makes your argument lose some credibility.
 

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AtlCB;1550293 said:
If it doesn't apply in this case, why post the comment in this thread? Adding that comment to this thread makes your argument lose some credibility.


Because there was no thread that contained all of the rankings?

Otherwise I'd have posted it in that thread.
 

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obviously, i'm biased. but, the broncos and jags better than the skins? catches, TD's and yards are clearly undervalued as opposed to blocking, i suppose.
 

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riggo;1550323 said:
obviously, i'm biased. but, the broncos and jags better than the skins? catches, TD's and yards are clearly undervalued as opposed to blocking, i suppose.

I don't think it's a bias thing. I think the skins are underrated too.
 

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bobtheflob;1550350 said:
I don't think it's a bias thing. I think the skins are underrated too.

thats good to know i'm not alone.

i mean, at worst, i think cooley is a top 7 TE. #14 cuz there isnt much depth and/or a superb blocker (which is debatable)?

interesting.
 
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Dallas is top 10 in a lot of these rankings so I'm not upset. I can't wait for the season to start so these rankings can go right out the door. Witten is more explosive than people think...
 

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riggo;1550323 said:
obviously, i'm biased. but, the broncos and jags better than the skins? catches, TD's and yards are clearly undervalued as opposed to blocking, i suppose.
I posted earlier in the thread that I thought the Deadskins were one of the underrated teams on this list.
 

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Vintage;1550296 said:
Because there was no thread that contained all of the rankings?

Otherwise I'd have posted it in that thread.
Why not wait for a post ranking a position for the Cowboys that is a little closer to being realistic. You make a good point, but you need to make that point in a thread where it actually applies. Otherwise, you start sounding like a broken record and it cheapens your argument.
 
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