ESPN: Vikings, Bucs favorites to sign free safety Smith

[InmanRoshi]

Those extra cap dollars will come in handy when we have to call in Lynn Scott again during the middle of the season. At least we have him on speed dial.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd clarify that to say many *hope* he will be very good. The only one truly convinced is Winky (MichaelWinicki for the skins fan).

You bet M.

 

[junk]

Those extra cap dollars will come in handy when we have to call in Lynn Scott again during the middle of the season. At least we have him on speed dial.

I'd love to have Smith (wanted him last year as well).

However, I am convinced there is something that Parcells doesn't like about him and whatever it was, Payton/Gibbs took it to NO with them.

 

[dargonking999]

I'd love to have Smith (wanted him last year as well).

However, I am convinced there is something that Parcells doesn't like about him and whatever it was, Payton/Gibbs took it NO with them.

is that suppose to be on?

 

[AsthmaField]

is that suppose to be on?

I think it is supposed to be "took it to NO with them."

 

[RCowboyFan]

Funny how some people are ready to jump on BP bandwagon, when they agree with players he released or not interested, if they also don't like the player. But if it is a player they like, then suddenly BP doesn't seem to know what he is doing or that he is making a big mistake by not signing the player they like.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Does disagreeing with an organizational move mean that I get to wear the self-administered "Realist Badge" that so many carry with honor?

I've disagreed with many moves this offseason, including who we drafted with our #1 draft pick. I've agreed with many, too. Whether that makes me a "realist", "homer", "apologist" or whatever ... I could care less. I look at each situation individually. In this situation, bringing in Smith makes sense when you consider that our projected starter has 4 more bullet holes than interceptions in his career, our veteran backup was released for alcohol problems and our rooke was 5th rounder because he looks better on paper than he does on the field.

 

[DallasInDC]

I'll trust BP and JJ here...

If we don't get Dwight Smith, maybe that says something about the safeties we have. Obviously it's not Davis, because of you-know-what, so maybe Parcells sees something in Coleman? Maybe Watkins can take over in 3-5 years after Coleman's done, if he's ready?

Sort of like they saw something in our OT's last year or DB's the year before?

I think if they pass it has more to do with the amount of money they will have invested in our secondary with RW, TNew, Henry, and KD.

I seriously doubt coleman is the answer. Also, I hope it doesn't take Watkins 3-5 yrs to takeover. If it does then I think we are screwed at the FS position.

 

[DragonCowboy]

Sort of like they saw something in our OT's last year or DB's the year before?

I think if they pass it has more to do with the amount of money they will have invested in our secondary with RW, TNew, Henry, and KD.

I seriously doubt coleman is the answer. Also, I hope it doesn't take Watkins 3-5 yrs to takeover. If it does then I think we are screwed at the FS position.

Well, I'm just saying, it does have to do with money, but if we were really crippled at that position, and we have money (which we do), we would pull the trigger to get Smith. Something tells me we don't need him. If you don't think it's Coleman who's the answer, then maybe it's Watkins..

And with those positions, BP was left with crap from Dave Campo...

Rob Petitti started before he was ready because Jacob Rogers decided to become a wimp.

BP did rebuild the Defense and made DB's (CB atleast) our strong point, so I believe he will help out our FS position also...

 

[junk]

Funny how some people are ready to jump on BP bandwagon, when they agree with players he released or not interested, if they also don't like the player. But if it is a player they like, then suddenly BP doesn't seem to know what he is doing or that he is making a big mistake by not signing the player they like.

Who said that? If you were referring to me, you are putting words in my mouth.

I simply said I believe there is something that Parcells doesn't like about the guy. Simply a hunch on my part.

The guy does have a rap sheet.

 

[junk]

Does disagreeing with an organizational move mean that I get to wear the self-administered "Realist Badge" that so many carry with honor?

I've disagreed with many moves this offseason, including who we drafted with our #1 draft pick. I've agreed with many, too. Whether that makes me a "realist", "homer", "apologist" or whatever ... I could care less. I look at each situation individually. In this situation, bringing in Smith makes sense when you consider that our projected starter has 4 more bullet holes than interceptions in his career, our veteran backup was released for alcohol problems and our rooke was 5th rounder because he looks better on paper than he does on the field.

Agree on Smith. Disagree on Carpenter. Why wouldn't you want to draft a guy custom built to play a position where you have a major hole?

Who would you have taken instead?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who would you have taken instead?

Dwight Smith :laugh1:

 

[InmanRoshi]

Agree on Smith. Disagree on Carpenter. Why wouldn't you want to draft a guy custom built to play a position where you have a major hole?

Who would you have taken instead?

He fills a hole, but my philosophy in drafting in the 1st round is to draft the guy you think is most likely to end up on the Ring of Honor. I would have prefered someone with more upside with the #18th pick in the draft. I kind of think Carpenter is just going to be "a guy". He just never stood out as a dominator to me at when I watched OSU games.

 

[AbeBeta]

He fills a hole, but my philosophy in drafting in the 1st round is to draft the guy you think is most likely to end up on the Ring of Honor. I would have prefered someone with more upside with the #18th pick in the draft. I kind of think Carpenter is just going to be "a guy". He just never stood out as a dominator to me at when I watched OSU games.

That's the sort of logic that landed us Ekuban over Kerney.

 

[InmanRoshi]

That's the sort of logic that landed us Ekuban over Kerney.

It also would have landed us Randy Moss over Greg Ellis.

You can find servicable hole-fillers in free agency. They aren't hard to find. What is hard to find is difference makers. They never hit the market until they are well past their prime. The best way to obtain them is early in the draft. For that reason I'm not afraid of players with boom/bust potential. 1 boom makes up for at least 2 busts, IMHO. Maybe even 3. Drafting players early just to fill holes makes never made much sense to me considering only a small percentage of rookies are even ready to play immediately. I'm not necessarily down on Carpenter, but down on the "safe" philosophy. What will really get me down on the pick is if we drafted Bobby Carpenter to fill an immediate hole and he spends most of the season behind Singleton and/or Boiman.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Who said that? If you were referring to me, you are putting words in my mouth.

I simply said I believe there is something that Parcells doesn't like about the guy. Simply a hunch on my part.

The guy does have a rap sheet.

Heh, it funny how general statement generates different kind of reactions I clearly said, some people on this thread think Smith would be a good sign for cowboys and not signing him would be a mistake. But the very same guys have sometimes attacked people or other fans based on the opinion that they thought BP held.

That was general statement, not pointing one person. And I am not saying I never do it either, or never did it. But I never try to attack a person just because my view is validated by what BP seems to think or do.

My personal view on Smith is that, based on his play, he would be a good addition, but I am vary of his off field issues, especially since he got kicked off Saints. I know some are saying thats because Saints have someone on their roster ready to replace him, but I don't buy that.

 

[junk]

He fills a hole, but my philosophy in drafting in the 1st round is to draft the guy you think is most likely to end up on the Ring of Honor. I would have prefered someone with more upside with the #18th pick in the draft. I kind of think Carpenter is just going to be "a guy". He just never stood out as a dominator to me at when I watched OSU games.

OK, that is a fair argument. I don't necessarily agree.

However.....who would you have preferred?

 

[Chief]

He fills a hole, but my philosophy in drafting in the 1st round is to draft the guy you think is most likely to end up on the Ring of Honor.

I subscribe to this theory also.

Swing for the fences on the first pitch. "Solid" guys can be found in any number of ways.

You only get so many chances to land a real difference-maker with special skills.

 

[superpunk]

Heh, it funny how general statement generates different kind of reactions I clearly said, some people on this thread think Smith would be a good sign for cowboys and not signing him would be a mistake.

Totally with you.

My personal view on Smith is that, based on his play, he would be a good addition, but I am vary of his off field issues, especially since he got kicked off Saints. I know some are saying thats because Saints have someone on their roster ready to replace him, but I don't buy that.

They have a GLUT of safeties. Seriously, check out that roster. Bullocks played really welll at FS. Dwight is no SS. No room on the team for a 3 mil per backup. Looking for other reasons might be reading too much into it, IMO.

 

[lspain1]

He fills a hole, but my philosophy in drafting in the 1st round is to draft the guy you think is most likely to end up on the Ring of Honor. I would have prefered someone with more upside with the #18th pick in the draft. I kind of think Carpenter is just going to be "a guy". He just never stood out as a dominator to me at when I watched OSU games.

One of the pundits described Carpenter as a guy with somewhat limited upside but virtually no downside. We'll see how he does.