ESPNDallas: JJ: Strong December Will Help Wade

[Chocolate Lab]

Dam, I have never heard Jerry be this direct before about Wade. Basically what Jerry said in a round about way was "If Wade doesnt win the division and we host a playoff game, he is gone".

At least that was my take.

That's how I read it, too.

 

[casmith07]

Phillips is 63, and Garrett is 43.

Garrett will be a head coach in this league, and will be successful. Why would we want to be the team that he grows and learns from, only to go on to another team and achieve success.

Payton, Sporano, etc. I dont want Garrett to be the next.

Also, there is a distinct difference from head coach, and assistant head coach/coordinator. He may well still call plays as HC, ala Wade, but he's going to have his hands on more things, and therefore will get more input from assistant/positional coaches, which also factor into the equation.

Sean Payton's success makes me sick. Sparano is looking every bit of a Parcells boy right now.

 

[NextGenBoys]

What do their ages have to do with anything? Are you suggesting Wade is too old to coach or Garrett is too young to be fired?

Payton never got to show much of anything here, he had the unfortunate fate of serving under Parcells, who wants to control everything.

Garrett has the exact opposite situation, total control without much in the way of experience or guidance.

All I'm saying with the ages is that Garrett has the chance to grow and be here quite awhile, where Phillips is already 63 and nearing the end of his career. Not to mention I doubt Phillips is going to improve or learn more intricacies of coaching like Garrett will.

Same as a player, you always go younger. Football is a youngmans game.

But no I am not suggesting Garrett is too young to be fired or Wade is too old to coach. I'm just suggesting that for the future Garrett should stick around before Wade does if we dont bring both of them back.

 

[Doomsday101]

All I'm saying with the ages is that Garrett has the chance to grow and be here quite awhile, where Phillips is already 63 and nearing the end of his career. Not to mention I doubt Phillips is going to improve or learn more intricacies of coaching like Garrett will.

Same as a player, you always go younger. Football is a youngmans game.

But no I am not suggesting Garrett is too young to be fired or Wade is too old to coach. I'm just suggesting that for the future Garrett should stick around before Wade does if we dont bring both of them back.

Football is a young mans game if you are a player, Belicheck knows alot about the game as does Coughlin and Wade. Age is not a big factor in being a coach.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Football is a young mans game if you are a player, Belicheck knows alot about the game as does Coughlin and Wade. Age is not a big factor in being a coach.

I disagree.

 

[jobberone]

Do we have an option on Garretts contract as well? He should be under as much pressure as Wade is, honestly.

More IMO. The D and STs are doing their job. Garrett is the head of the offense. If it fails it's on him. JMO.

 

[jobberone]

Jerry Jones said, in some many words, get us into the playoffs and get us to the NFC Championship or else ...

I didn't come away with that at all. I heard go real well and it's a cinch to return. Not the negative of that.

Chances are he needs to do well in Dec (and it should be mostly on his D doing well) and win a playoff game to stay on. That's just my opinion but I wouldn't bet a plug nickel on how to read Jerry on this one. I will say if the team continues to improve there's a chance he'll return no matter.

If the offense is judged overall to be consistent enough over the season then that doesn't help Wade. Right now I wouldn't give Garrett the reins. Not just yet. But there are five+ games left to play to judge him.

 

[TheCount]

All I'm saying with the ages is that Garrett has the chance to grow and be here quite awhile, where Phillips is already 63 and nearing the end of his career. Not to mention I doubt Phillips is going to improve or learn more intricacies of coaching like Garrett will.

Same as a player, you always go younger. Football is a youngmans game.

But no I am not suggesting Garrett is too young to be fired or Wade is too old to coach. I'm just suggesting that for the future Garrett should stick around before Wade does if we dont bring both of them back.

Yeah I understand that. My only concern is I haven't really seen Garrett do much to convince me he's ready to be HC, and I feel like that's the next step for him if Wade leaves and he stays.

Maybe it'll happen and he'll surprise me, but his entire football career has essentially been from one gift to another. I find it hard to trust a man who has never paid his dues.

 

[tyke1doe]

Dam, I have never heard Jerry be this direct before about Wade. Basically what Jerry said in a round about way was "If Wade doesnt win the division and we host a playoff game and win, he is gone".

At least that was my take.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[tyke1doe]

I didn't come away with that at all. I heard go real well and it's a cinch to return. Not the negative of that.

Chances are he needs to do well in Dec (and it should be mostly on his D doing well) and win a playoff game to stay on. That's just my opinion but I wouldn't bet a plug nickel on how to read Jerry on this one. I will say if the team continues to improve there's a chance he'll return no matter.

If the offense is judged overall to be consistent enough over the season then that doesn't help Wade. Right now I wouldn't give Garrett the reins. Not just yet. But there are five+ games left to play to judge him.

Here's how I would support my argument.

"I don't know that it's anymore so for Wade than it is for anybody else on this team," Jones said regarding pressure on his coach prior to Cowboys practice Wednesday. "... But what we do here and how we get into these playoffs ... have a game [at home], get a bye. All of those are things that look good for Wade."

So what would look good for Wade?

1. Winning the division.
2. Getting a home game, (which we would do by winning the division)
3. Getting a bye, (which means beating out either the Saints or the Vikings for the second seed because that would mean a bye. Uh, good luck.)

Here's where I add "winning a playoff game."

The above scenario is exactly what the Cowboys did two years ago. And we were summarily booted from the playoffs by the Giants.
Do you think Jerry Jones is going to take anything less?
Let's assume we do get the second seed, get a bye and lose our first playoff game - bringing down the wrath of the media and all the second-guessers.

Do you honestly think Jerry Jones is going to renew Wade's contract?

That's why I say Jerry Jones is looking for that bye and a home win, which would put us in the NFC Championship Game. I think Jerry has stacked the deck against Wade. I think unless Wade gets to the NFC Championship Game, he's basically out as Cowboys coach.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Yeah I understand that. My only concern is I haven't really seen Garrett do much to convince me he's ready to be HC, and I feel like that's the next step for him if Wade leaves and he stays.

Maybe it'll happen and he'll surprise me, but his entire football career has essentially been from one gift to another. I find it hard to trust a man who has never paid his dues.

Why do you think he's so bad?

We've had an explosive, high scoring offense ever since he arrived, however, we had one before he came as well.

I dont think it was handed to him, and even if it was, he's doing a good job. He's not perfect, as we've had a few awful offensive games this season, but he's doing a good job.

And I think he's paying his dues right now. He's learning on the go.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Here's how I would support my argument.



So what would look good for Wade?

1. Winning the division.
2. Getting a home game, (which we would do by winning the division)
3. Getting a bye, (which means beating out either the Saints or the Vikings for the second seed because that would mean a bye. Uh, good luck.)

Here's where I add "winning a playoff game."

The above scenario is exactly what the Cowboys did two years ago. And we were summarily booted from the playoffs by the Giants.
Do you think Jerry Jones is going to take anything less?
Let's assume we do get the second seed, get a bye and lose our first playoff game - bringing down the wrath of the media and all the second-guessers.

Do you honestly think Jerry Jones is going to renew Wade's contract?

That's why I say Jerry Jones is looking for that bye and a home win, which would put us in the NFC Championship Game. I think Jerry has stacked the deck against Wade. I think unless Wade gets to the NFC Championship Game, he's basically out as Cowboys coach.

The odds of us getting a bye are slim and none, noway we make up 3 games on New Orleans (that includes beating them head to head) and making up 2 games against the Vikes. We would basically have to go undefeated these last 5 games and both the Saints and Vikes would have to have major meltdowns. Not going to happen.

The best case for Wade right now is to win the division, be the #3 seed, win that first home playoff game, and be very, very, competitive in the divisional round (which would be a road trip to either New Orleans or Minny).

That is the only way Wade comes back. If we blow the division, blow the Wildcard game, or get blown out by Minny or the Saints in the divisional round..........Wade is history.

 

[TheCount]

Why do you think he's so bad?

We've had an explosive, high scoring offense ever since he arrived, however, we had one before he came as well.

I dont think it was handed to him, and even if it was, he's doing a good job. He's not perfect, as we've had a few awful offensive games this season, but he's doing a good job.

And I think he's paying his dues right now. He's learning on the go.

I don't think he's bad, I just don't think he's good enough to get the job by default. Our offense was high powered before he got here, like you said. The year before he arrived we were 5th in the league in total offense.

His arrival just also happened to pretty much coincide with Romo's accession. So he was gifted an already talented offense.

It's hard for me to say he's paying his dues now, being the highest paid assistant coach in the history of the NFL after coaching all of 3-4 years and then being given the head coaching job of the Dallas Cowboys in 5 isn't exactly toiling with the common man. It took Wade 25 years to earn his first head coaching job, even Sean Payton spent 14 years coaching before getting his shot.

Most coaches with Garretts kind of experience learn on the job at a lower level, not assistant head coach or even worse, head coach.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't think he's bad, I just don't think he's good enough to get the job by default. Our offense was high powered before he got here, like you said. The year before he arrived we were 5th in the league in total offense.

His arrival just also happened to pretty much coincide with Romo's accession. So he was gifted an already talented offense.

It's hard for me to say he's paying his dues now, being the highest paid assistant coach in the history of the NFL after coaching all of 3-4 years and then being given the head coaching job of the Dallas Cowboys in 5 isn't exactly toiling with the common man. It took Wade 25 years to earn his first head coaching job, even Sean Payton spent 14 years coaching before getting his shot.

Most coaches with Garretts kind of experience learn on the job at a lower level, not assistant head coach or even worse, head coach.

Exactly.

Even a Garrett basher like myself doesn't think the guy is an idiot, or horrible, or completely incompetent... It's just that he's been so gifted and super-fast-tracked in his career that he hasn't paid his dues. Contrast that with a guy like Sparano who had to come up the hard way and do the grunt jobs at almost every level of football. Parcells thought that was a valuable experience and I think most would agree with that.

Even Norv told Jerry when he was interviewing for the job that he didn't think JG was ready to call plays yet. Now I don't know what Norv was basing that on, but it's pretty interesting that someone as accomplished as Norv would have that belief about someone he knew pretty well.

IMO Garrett would be better served by eating a little humble pie now and then, but I don't ever see that happening. Who knows, maybe he will and will be a better coach for it.