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The Washington defense looked awfully tough against Pitt. They were really, really quick to the ball and it wouldn't surprise me if they turned out to be a top-five unit. I think they may be most vulnerable to big, mauling offensive lines and teams that run right at them. If we're judging from preseason, I'd say depth will be an even bigger issue than most people think, because the way it looks, those defensive players are going to be on the field a lot.
 

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theebs;1599814 said:
...Anyone going to take miami, detroit or arizona at washington? Me either.

THey will be confident and off to a good start. I would imagine by the time we play them they will have 5 wins or more.

Washingtons only concern is their poor special teams, kicker and punter are average and campbells accuracy on short and medium routes. He can throw the long ball very well.

I'm not so sure they're better than Detroit or AZ, even at home this year. They have major concerns on offense, including QB accuracy, WR, OG and OL depth. Their defense has looked good in preseason. That and a ham sandwich will get you a ham sandwich; they don't have any pass rush to speak of and are still fiddling with their linebacker rotation. I have a world of respect for Joe Gibbs generally, but I do think their offensive coaching staff is a liability these days. If it weren't for the Giants, they'd be a lock for the cellar in the NFCE before the games even start.
 

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Then again, they haven't really been tested yet... they played the Titans without Vince Young, they played a Steelers team that is breaking in a whole new system and making a move toward a more passing-oriented offense...

I see some areas of improvement, notably in the linebacker play, but their defensive line play is still substandard, and I'm not really sold on their secondary at this point... they've given up 389 yards passing in the first two games, and like I said, that was without facing Vince Young for the Titans... the Titans and Steelers starters moved the ball rather effectively through the air against the Skins...

On the plus side, they are clearly faster on defense, and they have done a fine job of stuffing the run thus far in preseason...

Now, about that offense... they've got problems there, and it starts up front...

While our offense has looked a little shaky this preseason, especially in regards to the running game, it should be of note that our left side of the offensive line has been completely different then what it will be once the season starts. We are using an undrafted rookie at LT and are in the process of trying to find Dockerys replacement. I believe once Samuels comes back we will see a MUCH improved offensive line.
 

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Idgit;1599840 said:
I'm not so sure they're better than Detroit or AZ, even at home this year. They have major concerns on offense, including QB accuracy, WR, OG and OL depth. Their defense has looked good in preseason. That and a ham sandwich will get you a ham sandwich; they don't have any pass rush to speak of and are still fiddling with their linebacker rotation. I have a world of respect for Joe Gibbs generally, but I do think their offensive coaching staff is a liability these days. If it weren't for the Giants, they'd be a lock for the cellar in the NFCE before the games even start.

Actually our linebackers have looked great this preseason. London Fletcher has been everywhere and 2nd year WLB Rocky McIntosh has probably been our MVP on defense thus far.
 

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VACowboy;1599839 said:
The Washington defense looked awfully tough against Pitt. They were really, really quick to the ball and it wouldn't surprise me if they turned out to be a top-five unit. I think they may be most vulnerable to big, mauling offensive lines and teams that run right at them. If we're judging from preseason, I'd say depth will be an even bigger issue than most people think, because the way it looks, those defensive players are going to be on the field a lot.

I think the skins will be tough against the run, they usually are, but I can see them being susceptible through the air, at least against the good aerial attacks
 

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theebs;1599814 said:
They will be very much improved. They have the look of an upper level defense. They are going to be a tough physical team each week.

They have a very favorable schedule that should get them off to a fast start.

In the first 6 weeks They have miami, detroit, green bay, Arizona. Three of those are at home. They play at gb and at philly in the first 6 weeks, they have 4 home games in that time period, miami, detroit, arizona and the giants.

Anyone going to take miami, detroit or arizona at washington? Me either.

THey will be confident and off to a good start. I would imagine by the time we play them they will have 5 wins or more.

Washingtons only concern is their poor special teams, kicker and punter are average and campbells accuracy on short and medium routes. He can throw the long ball very well.

I know you guys don't think much of Suisham, but he was MONEY for us last year. It is to be determined if that was a mirage or not.

As far as our Punter Frost goes, he has been lights out this preseason. I believe he leads the league in pinning opponents inside the twenty and is around 8th or so in net punting average.
 

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skinsfunguy;1599867 said:
I know you guys don't think much of Suisham, but he was MONEY for us last year. It is to be determined if that was a mirage or not.

As far as our Punter Frost goes, he has been lights out this preseason. I believe he leads the league in pinning opponents inside the twenty and is around 8th or so in net punting average.


so your saying your special teams are not average and are not a question mark?

Come on man, I know you cant be that much of a homer. With your style of play special teams are going to be very important.

Frost has done a good job this preseason but him and suisham would be replaced with better options if they could be. Maybe the team likes frost more than I am thinking.
 

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skinsfunguy;1599848 said:
Actually our linebackers have looked great this preseason. London Fletcher has been everywhere and 2nd year WLB Rocky McIntosh has probably been our MVP on defense thus far.

Yah, I'm not really questioning the ability of your starters. M. Washington's got a dislocated elbow, though, right? And I know you've been shuffling your backups with the Godfrey signing.

It's not that I couldn't see Washington fielding a good team. I just think it looks pretty unlikely this year.
 

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theebs;1599877 said:
so your saying your special teams are not average and are not a question mark?

Come on man, I know you cant be that much of a homer. With your style of play special teams are going to be very important.

Frost has done a good job this preseason but him and suisham would be replaced with better options if they could be. Maybe the team likes frost more than I am thinking.

I am actually FAR from a homer. Ask BigDFan5:)

I am not saying they are not a question mark. HOWEVER I would not do ANYTHING to change them at this point. So far for us Suisham has been awesome. I don't see the point of going the usual Commander route and signing some big name kicker. I feel as though we should see if Suisham is for real or not. Kickers bounce around the league alot before they find a home and become comfortable, it would be awful if we let another David Akers go.

As for Frost, I like him ALOT. I really think he is the real deal. He is a young punter that was inconsistent the last two years but did show signs of brilliance. This preseason he has been nothing short of spectacular. Also, I like that hes not afraid to run downfield and jack someone up:)
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1599633 said:
I know that it is only preseason. I have only seen a little of the last game.

But from what I seen that defense has improved a great deal. I don't know if it will be as good as the one that got them into the playoffs, but it was a far cry from last years defense.

So who knows. Kind of hard to be pretty much dead last like last year.:D


Yeah I agree. They were getting pressure on Rothlisberger. The team was swarming to the ball. They looked alot better than last year.
 

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Skins defense will be back as long as the CB's are healthy?

They do not have the DL to create pressure without blitzing.
 

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Idgit;1599889 said:
Yah, I'm not really questioning the ability of your starters. M. Washington's got a dislocated elbow, though, right? And I know you've been shuffling your backups with the Godfrey signing.

It's not that I couldn't see Washington fielding a good team. I just think it looks pretty unlikely this year.

Yes, Washington does have a dislocated albow. However apparently it is not to big of a deal and he will be starting by week one. I for one like the Godfrey signing. He is a hardnosed vet that knows Greg Williams system. He is much more suited to replace Washington if need be then Marshall. Hopefully though Washington remains healthy and we wont have to see to much of him.
 

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skinsfunguy;1599890 said:
I am actually FAR from a homer. Ask BigDFan5:)

I am not saying they are not a question mark. HOWEVER I would not do ANYTHING to change them at this point. So far for us Suisham has been awesome. I don't see the point of going the usual Commander route and signing some big name kicker. I feel as though we should see if Suisham is for real or not. Kickers bounce around the league alot before they find a home and become comfortable, it would be awful if we let another David Akers go.

As for Frost, I like him ALOT. I really think he is the real deal. He is a young punter that was inconsistent the last two years but did show signs of brilliance. This preseason he has been nothing short of spectacular. Also, I like that hes not afraid to ruin downfield and jack someone up:)

Good Points and I hear ya. The skins have changed kickers more than any other team in the last 10 years or whatever the stat is. If suisham and frost are playing well then there is no need to change. And like I said I may be misreading frost, the team must like him more than I thought.
 

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I fully expect the Commanders to revert to 2004 form. Very good defense, very poor offense. 6-10.
 

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A ton is going to ride on the quarterback, as it always does. And Campbell hasn't done anything. IMO he won't be horrible, but he won't be that good, either. It'll be interesting to see how he responds to getting pressured and seeing game plans run specifically to confuse him.

And the Skins are still starting some scrub at guard. I mean, Todd Wade? He or whoever beats him out is going to get worked all year. And we all know how bad Jansen has looked. Can't wait to get Ware isolated on him.

Sure, they have some pretty decent players. But what should make them so much better than last year? Fletcher and a rookie safety... That's it, right?
 

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A ton is going to ride on the quarterback, as it always does. And Campbell hasn't done anything. IMO he won't be horrible, but he won't be that good, either. It'll be interesting to see how he responds to getting pressured and seeing game plans run specifically to confuse him.

And the Skins are still starting some scrub at guard. I mean, Todd Wade? He or whoever beats him out is going to get worked all year. And we all know how bad Jansen has looked. Can't wait to get Ware isolated on him.

Sure, they have some pretty decent players. But what should make them so much better than last year? Fletcher and a rookie safety... That's it, right?

Add McIntosh(who has probably been the MVP of our defense thus far) in there and YES.

These three players along with a healthy Salavea and Griffin and a much improved Golston and Montgomery are a HUGE upgrade over last year. Our defense is flying around with reckless abandon thus far. Hopefully they keep it up.

As far as Landry goes...for a rooke the kid has been straight up PHENOMINAL!!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/Commanders/2007-08-22-laron-landry_N.htm

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Commanders rookie Landry drawing rave early reviews


By Jonah Schuman, USA TODAY


LANDOVER, Md. — Less than one month into training camp, it has become clear to the Washington Commanders that safety LaRon Landry thinks more like a veteran than a 22-year-old rookie.

Never was his maturity more evident than on a first-quarter, first-down play in last week's preseason loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Right before the snap, Landry crept to the line of scrimmage and slid to the right. It left him in perfect position to challenge oncoming Steelers ballcarrier Willie Parker. Landry took down Parker's lead blocker at the knees, and the tailback disappeared behind a tidal wave of Commanders.

It was almost as if Landry had been in the Steelers' huddle.

And while his teammates celebrated the one-yard loss, Landry, as if he had made the play a thousand times before, hopped up and walked directly over to fellow safety Sean Taylor for a brief post-play critique.

"All those guys really helped me out with formation recognition," Landry said of the teammates encouraging his development. "They coach me up after every play. Cornerbacks too. The whole secondary took me in with open arms."

Landry, a 6-0, 213-pound safety out of LSU with a reputation as a playmaker and a big hitter, has taken an all-business approach to his first NFL season, and it's paying dividends.

"My whole attitude is 'take it one day at a time,' " he said. "Working on the little things, whether it's technique, communication, formation recognition. I work on every little thing."

Despite a three-day holdout at the start of training camp, the sixth-overall pick in this year's draft has had little trouble adapting to the speed of the pro game.

Landry has started both of the Commanders' preseason games, and has helped solidify a defense that has yet to give up a touchdown. His rapid adjustment has caught the eye of his coaches.

"It would be hard for anybody to do better than LaRon's done since he's been here," Commanders coach Joe Gibbs said. "In the offseason he was all professional. He is dead serious about football. He's very, very conscientious. I think he's worked extremely hard."

Perhaps the most meaningful praise Landry has earned in his month-long career came from Commanders assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams, who said the safety has had little problem making pre-snap calls and adjustments — something with which rookies at all positions struggle.

"He is more than sharp enough, more than vocal enough," Williams told reporters last week. "He has had to do that in his career, anyway. He was the guy that was looked upon to do that [at LSU] so he can surely handle it."

The coaching staff has also been impressed with how Landry has handled the pressure of being thrust into the preseason starting lineup.

"We threw him right in there," said Gibbs. "I think he's getting a real battle test here. He's only a rookie, but I can sure tell you this: I like everything that we know about him and that we're seeing him do."

Williams attributes much of the rookie's smooth transition to his work ethic. Landry attended every OTA practice and meeting in the offseason, and the results are apparent on the field.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1599924 said:
A ton is going to ride on the quarterback, as it always does. And Campbell hasn't done anything. IMO he won't be horrible, but he won't be that good, either. It'll be interesting to see how he responds to getting pressured and seeing game plans run specifically to confuse him.

And the Skins are still starting some scrub at guard. I mean, Todd Wade? He or whoever beats him out is going to get worked all year. And we all know how bad Jansen has looked. Can't wait to get Ware isolated on him.

Sure, they have some pretty decent players. But what should make them so much better than last year? Fletcher and a rookie safety... That's it, right?


I hear ya cl, I think the changes/additions on defense are going to be huge. They are going to be a very good group on defense.

I think the biggest thing that is going to help them as I said before is the schedule. 4 of your first 6 at home. 3 against az, detroit and miami..

Their power running game is going to wipe out arizona, miami and detroit. Detroit will get in the end zone a few times, but they wont have the ball enough to compete. They will simply overpower these teams by the design of how they play.

I feel they can overpower green bay right now also. I am not so sure they win that because I am unsure what to make of the packers at this moment, their a head scratcher, talented but young.

I hate to say this but the skins and their aggressive defense and power running game may get off to a gulp.....5-1 or 4-2 start. Then they hit the pats, jets, Dallas....and it gets tougher.

That fast start will give confidence to the defense and the quarterback, much like us in 03. This is how they got back in it in 05, they played the sisters of the poor in st louis and arizona and just ran them over and then beat us and ny and a beaten up eagles team. So if they get that fast start and struggle against the better teams, they are still ahead of the 8 ball.

I hate to say it but I think they are a wild card team.
 

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skinsfunguy;1599941 said:
Add McIntosh(who has probably been the MVP of our defense thus far) in there and YES.

These three players along with a healthy Salavea and Griffin and a much improved Golston and Montgomery are a HUGE upgrade over last year. Our defense is flying around with reckless abandon thus far. Hopefully they keep it up.

As far as Landry goes...for a rooke the kid has been straight up PHENOMINAL!!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/Commanders/2007-08-22-laron-landry_N.htm

Click link for full article

Commanders rookie Landry drawing rave early reviews

By Jonah Schuman, USA TODAY


LANDOVER, Md. — Less than one month into training camp, it has become clear to the Washington Commanders that safety LaRon Landry thinks more like a veteran than a 22-year-old rookie.

Never was his maturity more evident than on a first-quarter, first-down play in last week's preseason loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Right before the snap, Landry crept to the line of scrimmage and slid to the right. It left him in perfect position to challenge oncoming Steelers ballcarrier Willie Parker. Landry took down Parker's lead blocker at the knees, and the tailback disappeared behind a tidal wave of Commanders.

It was almost as if Landry had been in the Steelers' huddle.

And while his teammates celebrated the one-yard loss, Landry, as if he had made the play a thousand times before, hopped up and walked directly over to fellow safety Sean Taylor for a brief post-play critique.

"All those guys really helped me out with formation recognition," Landry said of the teammates encouraging his development. "They coach me up after every play. Cornerbacks too. The whole secondary took me in with open arms."

Landry, a 6-0, 213-pound safety out of LSU with a reputation as a playmaker and a big hitter, has taken an all-business approach to his first NFL season, and it's paying dividends.

"My whole attitude is 'take it one day at a time,' " he said. "Working on the little things, whether it's technique, communication, formation recognition. I work on every little thing."

Despite a three-day holdout at the start of training camp, the sixth-overall pick in this year's draft has had little trouble adapting to the speed of the pro game.

Landry has started both of the Commanders' preseason games, and has helped solidify a defense that has yet to give up a touchdown. His rapid adjustment has caught the eye of his coaches.

"It would be hard for anybody to do better than LaRon's done since he's been here," Commanders coach Joe Gibbs said. "In the offseason he was all professional. He is dead serious about football. He's very, very conscientious. I think he's worked extremely hard."

Perhaps the most meaningful praise Landry has earned in his month-long career came from Commanders assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams, who said the safety has had little problem making pre-snap calls and adjustments — something with which rookies at all positions struggle.

"He is more than sharp enough, more than vocal enough," Williams told reporters last week. "He has had to do that in his career, anyway. He was the guy that was looked upon to do that [at LSU] so he can surely handle it."

The coaching staff has also been impressed with how Landry has handled the pressure of being thrust into the preseason starting lineup.

"We threw him right in there," said Gibbs. "I think he's getting a real battle test here. He's only a rookie, but I can sure tell you this: I like everything that we know about him and that we're seeing him do."

Williams attributes much of the rookie's smooth transition to his work ethic. Landry attended every OTA practice and meeting in the offseason, and the results are apparent on the field.

so the blocker did what he was supposed to do and block him out of the play. Man that is some spin...
 

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I think you overestimate them, Theebs. ;)

Every team save a couple in this league has talent. And for all of them, you could say that if things break just right for them, they're going to have a winning season. But what are the odds of things really breaking just right for any particular team? Slim at best.

I think the Skins will whip Arizona, because they'll be bad once again. But the Lions and Dolphins aren't layups. Lots of people think the Lions are slowly getting better, and I think the Fins will be better with a good QB like Green.

That D-line is just so weak. That's a big, big deficiency.
 
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