Everyone's Championship Talk Vs What & When Jimmy Johnson Said

Vtwin said:
The difficulty in comparing the two circumstances lies in the vastly different potential in consequences.

32 years ago comments would be reported on then talked about among fans over the watercooler or at the bar, etc. Only the fans involved enough to watch ESPN or listen to sports radio or read the sports section would even have an opinion but still would not have a way to provide feedback to anyone other than those in earshot. More casual fans may not even hear about it.

Today those same comments are blasted around the world in seconds. Presented to anyone and everyone the social media algorithm deems appropriate who then has the capability to share their thoughts instantly to a much larger audience.

The level of noise with which the team then needs to deal with is the difference in consequences.

This thread itself is evidence of the difference.

I don't know but I wouldn't doubt that Jimmy Johnson probably wouldn't handle things the same way today.

Heck, it was BIG news back then in the stone age. Imagine how the 3 inch letters comment goes over today?

One more distinction is that imo there is a difference between a head coach making these types of statements and a player making them.

In this specific situation I believe that any SB or bust type talk should be kept in the locker room. Set a positive tone for sure. Just keep it among the guys who matter and eliminate the outside noise.
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The discussion can widen to encompass how player and coach comments are consumed by the public via differences in communication, both then and now. I will respectfully stay focused upon how anyone makes a counterpoint in a discussion that what players and coaches say should be taken in the same context as what Jimmy Johnson said. That is how my OP emphasizes my disagreement with that particular conversational tactic.
 
DallasEast said:
The discussion can widen to encompass how player and coach comments are consumed by the public via differences in communication, both then and now. I will respectfully stay focused upon how anyone makes a counterpoint in a discussion that what players and coaches say should be taken in the same context as what Jimmy Johnson said. That is how my OP emphasizes my disagreement with that particular conversational tactic.
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Ok.

For the record, though. My perceived expansion of the topic was relevant in my mind as it will affect how what is said will be taken. As well as the context of the dynamic it is said in.

Peace, Cowboys and Superbowl or Bust. :starspin:
 
1989: There were “legions of fans” who had never left 1978, idolized Landry, Staubach and Lilly and absolutely hated Jimmy and Jerry

Those comments from Jimmy were mocked and criticized. There were pitchforks and torches. They were amateurs.

Remember “Jethro and Jed?” I do. Jeff Rohr mockingly sang the Beverly hillbillies theme song in public.

Jimmy’s boldness, his irreverence, were all seen as low class and unworthy of the Star

2026: There are legions of fans here who have never left 1995, and some who never left 1978, who idolize Jimmy, Troy, Michael and Emmitt, and can’t stand Schottenheimer and Dak.

It seems like even some of those who were fed up in 1989 and ready for change, now live in the past even more than Jerry.

Anything the coaches or players do or say now is mocked. You can see every day with cynical comments of “Culture!” And “Championship” and ridicule of the “Leadership Council” and “GOTI”

So, when modern players and coaches say things that players and coaches have been saying for decades, it doesn’t bother me one bit.

The only real issue I have with the team begins and ends with Jerry.

So, i just roll my and try to appreciate the fact that my fandom is still young at heart while still being pragmatic and realistic about my expectations each year.
 
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DallasEast said:
Anyone can be optimistic. That is an individual self-perspective.

The one undeniable variable in the Dallas Cowboys equation is the work environment all players and coaches have remained immersed in. That is the Jerry Jones, the owner/GM, nonsensical partnership work environment. It is the long-standing constant variable despite all of the annual tweaks and whistles, the good and the bad, that he has authored directly and indirectly.

It is why I believe this team or any capable team may somehow overcome his influence and win it all somehow, but that it will happen despite him. Unlike other NFL coaches and rosters, Dallas teams have three instead of two obstacles every season. Everyone else has to excel beyond their capabilities and what their opponents are capable of. Cowboys teams have Jerral W. Jones, Sr., 'I am GM for life for life baby!' miasma to overcome.
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..honestly, I dont feel a Jerry influence anymore. They are just trying to build best team possible to get them over the hump.

Like any other organizational group. It matters to more people, because who they are.

That's not Dak's fault or anyone else's.
 
Kwyn said:
1989: There were “legions of fans” who had never left 1978, idolized Landry, Staubach and Lilly and absolutely hated Jimmy and Jerry

Those comments from Jimmy were mocked and criticized. There were pitchforks and torches. They were amateurs.

Remember “Jethro and Jed?” I do. Jeff Rohr mockingly sang the Beverly hillbillies theme song in public.

Jimmy’s boldness, his irreverence, were all seen as low class and unworthy of the Star

2026: There are legions of fans here who have never left 1995, and some who never left 1978, who idolize Jimmy, Troy, Michael and Emmitt, and can’t stand Schottenheimer and Dak.

It seems like even some of those who were fed up in 1989 and ready for change, now live in the past even more than Jerry.

Anything the coaches or players do or say now is mocked. You can see every day with cynical comments of “Culture!” And “Championship” and ridicule of the “Leadership Council” and “GOTI”

So, when modern players and coaches say things that players and coaches have been saying for decades, it doesn’t bother me one bit.

The only real issue I have with the team begins and ends with Jerry.

So, i just roll my and try to appreciate the fact that my fandom is still young at heart while still being pragmatic and realistic about my expectations each year.
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To be honest, I had originally bypassed the like and was gathering my thoughts together for a reply before your edit. ;) :)
 
Jimmy had a track record. I didn't pay much attention when he said it. That's who he was. He was that way at the University of Miami. The team was a joke in 89. Sure Jerry and Jimmy were being laughed at. So were us fans. Can't tell you how often I was laughed at for being a Cowboy fan back then. But by the middle of the 1990 season you could see the team was getting better.Jimmy walked the walk. Nobody on the current Cowboys has that.Maybe Schotty will turn out to be a great coach but if he is it will be by accident. Nobody else wanted him and Jerry promoted him because he was comfortable with him

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Praxit said:
..honestly, I dont feel a Jerry influence anymore. They are just trying to build best team possible to get them over the hump.

Like any other organizational group. It matters to more people, because who they are.

That's not Dak's fault or anyone else's.
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As far as the organization's environment? Personally, I have never and will never place any blame on anyone except the Joneses and especially upon Jerry Jones. I hold everyone else blameless in that aspect.

All organizations, especially business organizations, are influenced the most by those in authority. The Dallas Cowboys franchise is not an exception to the fact. The Dallas Cowboys' daily environment is a reflection of a man who is its owner, who has never been qualified as a general manager, and establishes himself as the model for football operational excellence.

Such contradictions are not positive influences for any-and-all organizations striving for ultimate goals. I do not empirically feel as much as I see it like I would observing any organization. That said, outsider feelings are not relevant. How insiders may or may not be influenced is all that matters. And those folks are people employed by someone who should have fired himself arguably just after the turn of the century. Or even before the 2000s.
 
Kwyn said:
I took the edge off a bit and shortemed it. It’s still too long and smug, lol
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Too long?

My friend. Don't you know? My OP is tl;dr at 506 words. Yours is 225. I would not call that too long. I would call that just right. :laugh:
 
DallasEast said:
Fan Zone discussions have become centered around what current coaches and players have said about playing in the Super Bowl. The talk is not unique. The same talk has been ongoing, almost uninterrupted, for decades by other coaches and players, and especially in Dallas.

Lately, what Jimmy Johnson had previously said about playing and winning the Super Bowl has been introduced as a counterpoint defense for present-day comments. Is it the same thing, though? I invite anyone to add additional cited quotes (not hearsay) Johnson made--only during the time he was Dallas' head coach--in addition to the few I am posting here:

“We’ll win here, and we’ll win big. Write it down.” (quoted by Sports Illustrated's Peter King)​
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These were his words after becoming the team's second-ever head coach. Unfounded or not, his self-confidence came from what he accomplished at the college level, including winning or competing in national championship games.​
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“We’ll be in the playoffs.” (link)​
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Here's something to consider about what Johnson said during the offseason before the 1991 season. Dallas opened the previous season 3-7. There had been obvious improvement made in comparison to Johnson's first season, but there seemed like equally obvious room for greater growth.​
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Then it happened. Roster improvement and the Johnson system clicked. The Cowboys beat the Rams, Washington, Saints, and Cardinals, evened their record at 7-7, and greatly improved their opportunity of being in the 1990 playoffs. Endure 53 seconds of Chris Berman to refresh old members' recollections and provide better context for younger members who were too young or not even born yet to understand what happened next:​
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Apologies to Babe Laufenberg, but Johnson's team was in the same situation as practically all NFL teams losing their starter: done for the season. Months later, and before the next season began, Johnson spoke with self-confidence that he already had a playoff-caliber team with his now-healthy starting quarterback. On to the supposedly best Johnson quote that counterpoints have rested upon:​
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“We will win the ball game. And you can put it in three‑inch headlines.” (link)​
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^ Johnson said this in late January 1994. His self-confidence nested within the knowledge of having a team that matured FROM:​
  • Reaching the divisional round in 1991
  • Winning Super Bowl XXVII
  • Decisively winning 12 of 16 games AFTER a two-game Emmitt Smith holdout AND winning a huge game AT New York (the legend of Smith grows), cementing a #1 playoff seed AND dispatching the pesky Packers in a game that was 17-3 Dallas at halftime
Questions (and I will leave Jerry Jones' decades-old diarrhea of the mouth out of this):
  1. Should playoff and Super Bowl comments made by players and coaches over the past 30 years, including this offseason, be taken the same as what Johnson said?
  2. If the answer is yes, where has players' and coaches' inner assurance come from?
  3. Could players instead mainly base their confidence on seeing peers like Seattle bounce from 9-8 (winning record), 10-7 (winning record) to last season's Super Bowl champions?
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Johnson was a competent GM.
Jerry is not.
So there is absolutely no correlation between then and now.
 
DallasEast said:
As far as the organization's environment? Personally, I have never and will never place any blame on anyone except the Joneses and especially upon Jerry Jones. I hold everyone else blameless in that aspect.

All organizations, especially business organizations, are influenced the most by those in authority. The Dallas Cowboys franchise is not an exception to the fact. The Dallas Cowboys' daily environment is a reflection of a man who is its owner, who has never been qualified as a general manager, and establishes himself as the model for football operational excellence.

Such contradictions are not positive influences for any-and-all organizations striving for ultimate goals. I do not empirically feel as much as I see it like I would observing any organization. That said, outsider feelings are not relevant. How insiders may or may not be influenced is all that matters. And those folks are people employed by someone who should have fired himself arguably just after the turn of the century. Or even before the 2000s.
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Outstanding observation!
Spot on and this is why I refuse to buy in every off season to this circus of a team.
 
DallasEast said:
Anyone can be optimistic. That is an individual self-perspective.

The one undeniable variable in the Dallas Cowboys equation is the work environment all players and coaches have remained immersed in. That is the Jerry Jones, the owner/GM, nonsensical partnership work environment. It is the long-standing constant variable despite all of the annual tweaks and whistles, the good and the bad, that he has authored directly and indirectly.

It is why I believe this team or any capable team may somehow overcome his influence and win it all somehow, but that it will happen despite him. Unlike other NFL coaches and rosters, Dallas teams have three instead of two obstacles every season. Everyone else has to excel beyond their capabilities and what their opponents are capable of. Cowboys teams have Jerral W. Jones, Sr., 'I am GM for life for life baby!' miasma to overcome.
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The NFL is so competitive, to win , so many things have to fall your way.
Having an incompetent GM who is creating an unhealthy culture on top of the other obstacles is just too much to overcome.
With Jerry the GM we are at a severe competitive disadvantage.
 
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