Evidence Links Vick to Dog Fighting

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Link to Vick in evidence seizure
Envelopes found addressed to him

By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/22/07

Three envelopes addressed to "M. Vick" were among evidence seized by police under the authority of a search warrant executed on the Virginia property owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, according to documents obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Also seized in the search, authorized in late April in relation to organized dogfighting, was a black 3-ring binder containing "contracts" or copies of contracts.

According to the warrant, police were searching for and could seize "information related to dogfighting, registration papers, other written materials showing ownership of pit bull terrier dogs or other fighting dogs including bills of sale, pedigrees, breeding records and veterinary records; any dogfighting records including name and telephone numbers lists of person suspected of being dog fighters."

The contents, if any, of the envelopes and the nature of the contracts were not indicated in the documents. Vick's company, MV7 LLC, runs a company that breeds and sells pit bulls and presa canario dogs.

Copies of the search warrant, affidavit and the inventory list of evidence collected by the Surry County (Va.) Sheriff's department were obtained by the AJC in a records request filed under the Freedom of Information Act. The information was received by the AJC on the same day that the prosecutor, law enforcement officials, investigators and a member of the U.S. Department of Agriculture met for two hours to review the evidence in the month-old case. The USDA's presence was the first time a federal agency was confirmed to be involved in the investigation.

All representatives at the meeting declined comment, but commonwealth attorney Gerald Poindexter and Sheriff Harold Brown issued a joint statement saying: "At this time, the investigation continues. We have no further comment."

Poindexter said last week that it appears dogfighting did take place in a room inside the two-story house on the property, but it could take several weeks to determine whether charges would be filed and against whom. At least six people could be involved, Poindexter said. A review of evidence will determine if Vick is among those being targeted, Poindexter said.

"I'm never there. I'm never at the house," Vick said before the NFL draft April 28. "I left the house with my family members and my cousin. They just haven't been doing the right thing. The issue will get resolved. It's unfortunate I have to take the heat behind it. If I'm not there, I don't know what's going on."

Poindexter has said there is proof Vick has visited the property.

Vick has since declined to comment on the investigation. He did so again Monday night at a Falcons function at the Fox Theatre. His attorney, Lawrence Woodward, has not returned repeated messages.

The complete list of items seized from Vick's property also included: Cat mill, Jenny mills, carpet mill/stand, treadmills/electric/modified for dogs (all used for conditioning dogs to fight), a rape stand (used for breeding), assorted dietary supplements, weight pull harness, three wooden slat mills, all animals/breeder certification and kennel documents, four stainless kennels, dog food, chains and collars, assorted medicines and a weight scale.

Among the nearly 70 dogs discovered at the property, where police were called initially in a drug investigation involving Vick's cousin Davon Boddie, were five dogs with scars and other injuries. According to the affidavit, three heavily scarred pit bulls were seized: "The scars were distributed over the faces, head, ears, chest and front legs of the dogs."

One dog with old scarring and recent lacerations on the chest and front legs was discovered and in need of immediate veterinary care. According to the documents: "The dog also had what appears to be an injury to the front leg causing swelling and the leg to bend at an unnatural angle." One dog had old scarring and recent lacerations on the chest and front legs that "required medical aid to prevent suffering."

Documents indicate Surry County animal control officer James Smith recently completed a basic animal control academy which included a class on dogfighting investigation. He called in Kathy Strouse of the Virginia Animal Control Association to help with the investigation. Strouse, who was invited to but did not attend Monday's meeting to review the evidence, told the AJC last week: "Let me be very, very clear: There's no doubt in my mind that this was a dogfighting operation."

According to the documents, when Smith was called to Vick's property by state police he found: "Multiple pit bull type dogs, some in kennels and approximately 30 tethered on heavy logging type chains. The dogs are tethered so as to allow them to come in close proximity to each other but not have contact with each other. The chains are attached to car axles that are buried in the ground. In this officer's training and experience, this method of restraint is consistent with the restraint of fighting dogs."

The care of the dogs was also questioned in the affidavit. "The majority of the dogs either had no water or very dirty water in bowls that were coated with a green slimy substance consistent in appearance with algae," Smith wrote.

The negative glare this has caused is wearing on Vick, according to his high school coach, Tommy Reamon.

"He is hurting and hoping that this process will take care of itself as soon as possible," Reamon, who coached Vick at Warwick High in Newport News, said in a telephone interview Monday. "He is doing those things that we all know need to be done. However, the fascination of the media continues, and nobody sees him making these changes. He's doing what he has to do, and God bless him."

— D. Orlando Ledbetter and Chris Vivlamore contributed to this report.
 

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70 fighting dogs and car axles buried in the yard of his house, and Vick has no idea what is going on?

I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.
 

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Watching that video from WAVY tv where Portis was defending Vick yesterday, there were several other little video clips on the site related to this case. Until I saw that, I didn't realize there was so much evidence as to what was going on. They have helicopter flyovers of the property... This was a big operation.

I don't think there's any doubt Vick was involved and knew exactly what was going on. The only question is whether the evidence is strong enough to convict him and whether the local prosecutor can beat Vick's high-powered attorneys.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1506006 said:
Watching that video from WAVY tv where Portis was defending Vick yesterday, there were several other little video clips on the site related to this case. Until I saw that, I didn't realize there was so much evidence as to what was going on. They have helicopter flyovers of the property... This was a big operation.

I don't think there's any doubt Vick was involved and knew exactly what was going on. The only question is whether the evidence is strong enough to convict him and whether the local prosecutor can beat Vick's high-powered attorneys.

I don't know if the evidence has to be as strong for the NFL to take action as it may in court. It seems many point to the courts and the NFL as one in the same.
 

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All that has to be shown is that Vick is bringing bad publicity to the NFL; that it may have an effect on the popularity of the NFL, the profitability of the NFL, or to show negative effects on the NFL. A lot of this has already happened as regards the Atlanta Falcons and the sales of Vick jersies, etc.
Vick is clearly going to get some action taken against him. Now its just a matter of what kind and how bad it will be. the evidence is getting just about overwhelming that dog fighting was happening on that property, and there is plenty of evidence that Vick had visited there pretty often.
So its going to happen.
 

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The Commonwealth Attorney Gerald Poindexter has been protecting Vick (at least there is an appearance of it, imo) and I'm just wondering if he was involved with dog fighting anyway.
 

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there are rumors now that some people are wanting an investigation into Poindexter in what appears to be an attempted coverup. Poindexter is very stupid- this sort of thing cannot be covered up and anyone trying to will destroy themselves.
 

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This is why CLinton Prtis is the dumbest player around. I swear, Ive never listened to a dumber player.

NORFOLK, Va. (AP) -- Washington Commanders players Clinton Portis and Chris Samuels defended Michael Vick on Monday by ridiculing the notion that dog fighting is considered a crime.
In an interview with WAVY-TV, Portis said that if the Atlanta Falcons quarterback is charged and convicted of being involved in a dog fighting operation, then authorities would be "putting him behind bars for no reason."
"I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not," Portis said. "But it's his property; it's his dogs. If that's what he wants to do, do it."
Portis said dog fighting is a "prevalent" part of life.
Portis, a native of Laurel, Mississippi, added: "I know a lot of back roads that got a dog fight if you want to go see it. But they're not bothering those people because those people are not big names. I'm sure there's some police got some dogs that are fighting them, some judges got dogs and everything else."
"Politicians," added Samuels, who found it hard to keep from giggling while Portis was talking.
"Presidents," added Portis with a laugh.
Vick has been under investigation since April 25 when police conducting a drug investigation raided the house owned by the quarterback in rural Surry County and found dozens of dogs. They also found items associated with dog fighting, including a "pry bar" used to pry apart a dog's jaws. No charges have been filed.
Dog fighting is a felony in Virginia, but Portis said that if Vick is charged and convicted, "Then I think he got cheated. ... You're putting him behind bars for no reason -- over a dog fight."
"Haven't you seen Animal Planet?" Samuels added with a giggle.
Hours after making light of the possible crime in the television interview, Portis issued a statement late Monday through the Commanders.
"In the recent interview I gave concerning dog fighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dog fighting or condone dog fighting in any manner," the statement said.
 

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Yeah Portis is a thug, can you tell? He could have just shut his mouth, but made hisself look even dumber than he really is.
 

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My question is if they found out that vick sent any money or anything from atlanta, cant the feds hop in and claim the case because it crossed state lines? Poindexter will never get a conviction.
 

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It's not looking good for Vick.

Last night on SportsCenter, where Vick was being interviewed in a nightclub. He was asked a question about after all said and done, will he be found innocent (something like that), he didn't seem willing to suggest that he would be exonerated, I think that this is pretty indicative of Vick's guilt.

Does anyone have a detailed story (or an explanation from Vick) of why Vick was buying syringes at the local market?
 

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03EBZ06;1506318 said:
Does anyone have a detailed story (or an explanation from Vick) of why Vick was buying syringes at the local market?
That's what I was wondering in another thread on this.

Do they somehow inject the dogs with something?

If so, this whole thing is way worse than I even thought.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1506322 said:
That's what I was wondering in another thread on this.

Do they somehow inject the dogs with something?

If so, this whole thing is way worse than I even thought.

Maybe antiseptic action, to help the dogs heal, prevent infection, so they can fight them again?
 

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Kevin Hench/ FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 hour ago

Is it not sufficient for man to absorb the useful labors and lives of the inferior creation, without superadding excessive anguish, want and misery?
— Julius Ames, The Spirit of Humanity

If somebody is too stupid to understand the fundamental immorality of dog fighting, you're never going to be able to explain it to him.

So don't waste your breath on Clinton Portis.

You could show him scripture, wherein man's dominion over animals comes with an insistence on "holiness and justice."

You could photocopy Gandhi's essay on animal rights for him.

Heck, you could even give him a copy of Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man in the hopes that he might see a parallel in the inhumanity between Ellison's battle royal — a brutal free-for-all fought by black men for the entertainment of whites — and a bunch of men standing around and cheering as two dogs tear each other apart.

But none of it would take. So this isn't a column with an educational purpose. This is a more retributive exercise with the aim of adding just a sliver of anguish and misery to the otherwise great life of multi-millionaire jacka** Clinton Portis, written on behalf of my dog Sam.

In what could have been a completely inconsequential off-season interview, the idiot Portis, for no apparent reason, decided to weigh in on behalf of Michael Vick and in favor of dog fighting.

When I saw the headline I thought it must have been one ill-conceived comment — perhaps blown out of proportion or taken the wrong way — but, oh no, Portis went out of his way to reiterate again and again in different ways that he has no problems with dog owners fighting their dogs.

If you thought Ted Koppel tried to throw Al Campanis a lifeline, check out how many times the interviewer gives Portis opportunities to backtrack.

On the topic of Vick facing possible charges for dog fighting, Portis opened with, "I think people should mind their business, you know. I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, his dog, if that's what he wants to do, do it."

When apprised by the startled interviewer that dog fighting is a felony, Portis was fairly incredulous. It seems to be the first he's heard of that development within our justice system. But he's ready with a rebuttal.

"It can't be too bad of a crime. There's a lot of stuff that's crimes, you know.

It's killers on the loose over here and you want to hunt down Michael Vick over fighting some dogs."

Well said, Clint. Well said. But he was just getting started.

"I think behind closed doors the same people who do all the judging are probably some of the harshest people around. They're Internet predators and everything else."

Smart. Use the Karl Rove strategy, go on the attack. The people — law enforcement officers, district attorneys, judges — condemning others for dog fighting are Internet predators. Nice.

Come to think of it, we've got to get Chris Hansen and his crew to surprise the gang at one of these dog fights. Those would be some choice interviews.

Smart crowd, the dog fighting fan base.

Apparently Portis was no stranger to these Mensa meetings when he was growing up.

"I'm from Laurel, Mississippi, so I know a lot of backroads that got a dog fight if you want to go see it." Perhaps the FBI can take up Clinton on this offer.

After suggesting that he suspected cops and judges were staging dogfights too, Portis was asked what he would think if Vick is charged and convicted.
Still unclear on the illegal nature of the activity, Portis asks, "How could you convict somebody on a dog fight?"

Okay, knucklehead, hypothetically, what if Vick were convicted? "Then I think he got cheated. You take a positive role model...and put him behind bars for no reason, over a dog fight."

Positive role model? Wow, this interview just gets nuttier and nuttier. Was it his airport antics, flipping off the fans, or throwing coaches under the bus that made Vick a positive role model? I forget.

Portis seems genuinely confused at why we can't do whatever we want to our animals in the privacy of our massive compounds. He seems to be asking, if you own the animals and you keep it on your property, who's to say you can't torture them? Civil society, Clinton, that's who.

A few hours after yucking it up for the camera and leaving no doubt that he absolutely positively condones dog fighting, Portis issued a statement through the Commanders (the only team nickname almost as offensive as dog fighting):

"In the recent interview I gave concerning dog fighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dog fighting or condone dog fighting in any manner," the statement said.

Except, of course, at Michael Vick's house and on the back roads of Mississippi. No, Clinton, that weak, after-the-fact, half-hearted retraction won't convince anybody that you didn't mean what you said. Over and over.

Cutting a big check to the ASPCA probably won't convince anyone either, but at least it would do some good.


Daniel Snyder might even go halves with you. (He only believes in cruel and unusual punishment for coaches waiting to be fired.)

The sad part is I had always liked Clinton Portis. I thought the costumes were great and his sound bites consistently funny. But he's lost me now.

When I think about pro athletes siccing dogs on one another it makes me consider rooting for catastrophic knee injuries.

But I guess I'm not that cruel. If, however, Portis missed another batch of games in '07 with his chronic shoulder problems, well, maybe it would be karma.

Anyone who flippantly condones animal cruelty deserves no better.

Kevin Hench is a frequent contributor to FOXSports.com.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?print=true
 

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03EBZ06;1506327 said:
If somebody is too stupid to understand the fundamental immorality of dog fighting, you're never going to be able to explain it to him.

You beat me to it...I was going to post that article...especially that part...It really says it all.

Was there REALLY ever ANY doubt in anyones mind about Vick's guilt?

I mean come on really.:rolleyes:

The guys a piece of Garbage...and that's insulting to Garbage.
 

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superpunk;1506326 said:
Maybe antiseptic action, to help the dogs heal, prevent infection, so they can fight them again?

Good call, I bet you're right.

Fortunately, I don't have much experience with needles. :)
 

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ArmyCowboy;1505998 said:
70 fighting dogs and car axles buried in the yard of his house, and Vick has no idea what is going on?

I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

like i said - i have a friend who's done PR work for vick and a few years ago he bragged (vick and his people) that he stayed at the property the entire off season. as soon as he's busted, they lie.

i hate liars.
 
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