Expect a Trade Down In The First

SDogo;4484024 said:
Yup, been getting that vibe as well.

IMO:
You can focus on the four Alabama prospects after a trade down in Round 1.

Upshaw, Kirkpatrick, Barron or Hightower.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's Fitzpatrick, Barron (or Upshaw) with a trade down.

At Safety, I think Pool is basically a band-aid for this year. Not to mention, Pool has the concussion history. I think the Cowboys will need another Safety regardless as insurance, and Barron can probably start by mid-year anyway.

I suppose the argument could be made that Fitzpatrick is interesting in that he can potentially play both CB and Safety - so he fills the Safety void as well. I guess the issue with Fitzpatrick is does he have sufficient size at Safety (think he weighs under 190 lbs)? And of course he hasn't played that position before so the team is projecting him at that position. But I could see Fitzpatrick being a good coverage type Safety, which you need esp in today's NFL.
 
I actually do think the middle of the first round seems like the weakest part of the draft this year, as far as first round picks go.
 
TheCount;4484784 said:
I actually do think the middle of the first round seems like the weakest part of the draft this year, as far as first round picks go.

Yeah, alot of the prospects where we pick are quite similar as far as grade.

Unless someone just falls from the top, a trade down would be great to get more picks and at least try to fill most of these massive holes we have on this team.
 
SDogo;4484271 said:
It has crossed my mind and remains a possibility as reflected in the mock in my sig, I just cant shake the feeling Kirkpatrick or Upshaw is the real target. I would prefer Konz in a trade down and follow your blueprint as well.

I can see Kirkpatrick, but not Upshaw, Hightower is going to be the star and Upshaw is going to be a nice player.

Put him in as the outside LB in a 3-4 and he will shine IMO.
 
I myself do not want a trade down. I want a starter at some position and I feel we get the best value right where we are. Of course, I think that best value is DeCastro. I suppose right now if he is gone I would take Mercilus and release Spencer, but many other players at that spot I don't see as starters. I love Kuechly, but I want Carter to start. I don't want a CB or a Safety in round 1. That leaves OL and DL and I'd take Poe, but am not jazzed at all about Brockers. Fletcher Cox is an intriguing player but I can't say I think he's great.

DeCastro is going to be great. Turning our back on that is rather sad to me.
 
Hostile;4484850 said:
I myself do not want a trade down. I want a starter at some position and I feel we get the best value right where we are. Of course, I think that best value is DeCastro. I suppose right now if he is gone I would take Mercilus and release Spencer, but many other players at that spot I don't see as starters. I love Kuechly, but I want Carter to start. I don't want a CB or a Safety in round 1. That leaves OL and DL and I'd take Poe, but am not jazzed at all about Brockers. Fletcher Cox is an intriguing player but I can't say I think he's great.

DeCastro is going to be great. Turning our back on that is rather sad to me.

I agree with most of what you have said, I think it needs to be OL or DL, out of those 2 needs the BPA by a mile will be Decastro. But unfortunately unless it is a smoke screen it seems that ship maybe sailing, not that I agree.

Interested in what has you un-jazzed about Brockers if you could get him around 17 as DE not NT?
 
Hostile;4484850 said:
I myself do not want a trade down. I want a starter at some position and I feel we get the best value right where we are. Of course, I think that best value is DeCastro. I suppose right now if he is gone I would take Mercilus and release Spencer, but many other players at that spot I don't see as starters. I love Kuechly, but I want Carter to start. I don't want a CB or a Safety in round 1. That leaves OL and DL and I'd take Poe, but am not jazzed at all about Brockers. Fletcher Cox is an intriguing player but I can't say I think he's great.

DeCastro is going to be great. Turning our back on that is rather sad to me.
I agree Hos, with the exception of Mercilus . I hope Decastro is there and we grab him;)
 
I agree with dwight here. I'd be OK with trading down in the 1st if both Decastro and Coples are gone by 14. If we dance around one of them and get cute I'll be screaming louder than when we passed up Stephen jackson for Julius Jones and change.
 
CATCH17;4484374 said:
If the right guy isn't there I actually agree with this.

Trading down seems like a good idea.

Hightower / Upshaw seem like the logical picks.

They are both too stiff and unathletic to be ideal picks for us. They aren't going to be good in coverage and neither are going to be monster pass rushers. Hightower is interesting in his versatility to play some ILB or OLB but his lack of athletic prowess suggests he won't be a great pass rusher.

I'd much rather trade down in the first and then try to grab Bruce Irvin, an OG and a CB in the 2nd.
 
Hostile;4484850 said:
I myself do not want a trade down. I want a starter at some position and I feel we get the best value right where we are. Of course, I think that best value is DeCastro. I suppose right now if he is gone I would take Mercilus and release Spencer, but many other players at that spot I don't see as starters. I love Kuechly, but I want Carter to start. I don't want a CB or a Safety in round 1. That leaves OL and DL and I'd take Poe, but am not jazzed at all about Brockers. Fletcher Cox is an intriguing player but I can't say I think he's great.

DeCastro is going to be great. Turning our back on that is rather sad to me.


Wouldn't CB in RD 1 be a great insurance policy for Jenkins and would fill a premium position we are short on? I really want Jenkins to get through this rehab and be in 2009 form but missing OTAs, Minicamp, Training Camp, Pre-Season is a bit much for him to return to that level. What happens if the shoulder doesn't hold up?
 
I wouldn't mind a trade down IF DeCastro is gone AND we can finagle a 2013 1st. I'm hyped about the 2013 Safety class.
 
Bluestang;4485082 said:
Wouldn't CB in RD 1 be a great insurance policy for Jenkins and would fill a premium position we are short on? I really want Jenkins to get through this rehab and be in 2009 form but missing OTAs, Minicamp, Training Camp, Pre-Season is a bit much for him to return to that level. What happens if the shoulder doesn't hold up?
Sure it would, but I do not like any of the 1st round CBs except Claiborne. I much prefer Jayron Hosley or Brandon Boykin. I like Gilmore, Minnifield, and Dennard better as well.
 
Hostile;4485145 said:
Sure it would, but I do not like any of the 1st round CBs except Claiborne. I much prefer Jayron Hosley or Brandon Boykin. I like Gilmore, Minnifield, and Dennard better as well.


I know some disagree with Mayock, but he did change his CB board and now calls Gilmore a #2 pick and even Top 15 worthy. Whether that is true or not is debatable but the Cowboys seem like they are taking a very cautious approach with Jenkins - even moreso with the lack of comments on the contract extension that Rosenhaus is trying to push.

With only three corners (one of those being Jenkins) I find it hard to believe that the team is confident with that situation given the emphasis placed on the corner position in Rob Ryan's scheme.
 
Not a fan of any of the Alabama players with the first pick. If trade down, still take the most dynamic players regardless of pedigree.

Instead of gambling on Konz, sign Satele. Satele has none of the injury issues, is a better athlete, is a MUCH better pass blocker and as good a run blocker. Satele has the nastiness that everyone is clamoring for plus he will come cheap.

I am sure he can put on 10-15 more pounds if necessary. Signing Satele gives the Cowboys a ton more flexibility.
 
Decastro would be my pick if he were there but for some reason I think he will be gone by #14.

I love Gilmore at CB, he seems to be moving up the board and has great size and ball skills though for some reason I doubt we go corner.

Poe is intriguing to me, move Ratliff to end and there is a pass rush.

I do think we are going with the DE/OLB with our first pick, depends who falls and how many targets are available.
 
BAT;4485204 said:
Not a fan of any of the Alabama players with the first pick. If trade down, still take the most dynamic players regardless of pedigree.

Instead of gambling on Konz, sign Satele. Satele has none of the injury issues, is a better athlete, is a MUCH better pass blocker and as good a run blocker. Satele has the nastiness that everyone is clamoring for plus he will come cheap.

I am sure he can put on 10-15 more pounds if necessary. Signing Satele gives the Cowboys a ton more flexibility.

Satele signed with the Colts last week to replace Green Bay bound Saturday.
 
BAT;4485204 said:
Not a fan of any of the Alabama players with the first pick. If trade down, still take the most dynamic players regardless of pedigree.

Instead of gambling on Konz, sign Satele. Satele has none of the injury issues, is a better athlete, is a MUCH better pass blocker and as good a run blocker. Satele has the nastiness that everyone is clamoring for plus he will come cheap.

I am sure he can put on 10-15 more pounds if necessary. Signing Satele gives the Cowboys a ton more flexibility.

What round would Satele be? I don't want to spend a first on a guy that needs time in the weight room because he is undersized right now. Been there, done that.
 
So does it look like we have a willing partner in this trade down?
 
SDogo;4484024 said:
Yup, been getting that vibe as well.

IMO:
You can focus on the four Alabama prospects after a trade down in Round 1.

Upshaw, Kirkpatrick, Barron or Hightower.
What are your takes on these guys?
 

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