Explain the trade proccess

[Wolf2k5]

Can anyone give me a good explanation of the trade process in terms of who's on the hook for salary and cap numbers? Let's use romo as an example and say we traded to a team with a top of cap space like the raiders.

(This is NOT a let's trade romo thread!)

I'm just interested in that process and if there are ways around cap hits if any.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Trade him, absorb all of his cap acceleration. Impossible.

Close thread.

Not asking if it was possible to trade Romo. It was an example because his number is high. Was looking for a little more detail than that or I wouldn't have started a new thread.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Trading him works like releasing him. Same exact cap hit.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Then why use Romo's name at all?

Why come in and comment at all? I use romo as an example and then even stated it's not a trade romo thread. If it's hard for you to wrap your head around then go ahead and substitute ANY name of your choice.

 

[Alexander]

Why come in and comment at all? I use romo as an example and then even stated it's not a trade romo thread. If it's hard for you to wrap your head around then go ahead and substitute ANY name of your choice.

Any high priced player on this roster is the same, whether it is Romo or not. Brandon Carr would be just as damaging to trade. Trading a player accelerates their cap hit into the current year. So in other words, you cannot trade your way out of a bad contract.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Any high priced player on this roster is the same, whether it is Romo or not. Brandon Carr would be just as damaging to trade. Trading a player accelerates their cap hit into the current year. So in other words, you cannot trade your way out of a bad contract.

That's what I was mostly wondering. Do ALL future cap hits jump to the current year and it doesn't effect team 2s cap or do they receive a spread out hit as well?
I know sign and trade deals are not done in NFL and is this why?

 

[Alexander]

That's what I was mostly wondering. Do ALL future cap hits jump to the current year and it doesn't effect team 2s cap or do they receive a spread out hit as well?
I know sign and trade deals are not done in NFL and is this why?

Pretty much. That is why when you hear about so and so being on the trading block and then end up getting cut anyways.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Pretty much. That is why when you hear about so and so being on the trading block and then end up getting cut anyways.

I was trying to explain this to someone last night (he was kind of drunk anyways) because he was claiming were rebuilding and there is no reason to keep Romo while rebuilding. I'm tired of having the 32nd ranked defense and people explaining why romo is the problem and were going to trade him. He told me we would trade to the Raiders for their first. I said for one Romos not getting a top pick coming off multiple surgeries but I just wanted the info explaining why it's literally impossible to do so if we wanted to.

 

[conner01]

remember a trade is the same as cutting the player as far as the cap. then go to overthecap.com and you can look at the implications of any player by just cutting them on the site. great site to see what happens with different scenarios

 

[xwalker]

Can anyone give me a good explanation of the trade process in terms of who's on the hook for salary and cap numbers? Let's use romo as an example and say we traded to a team with a top of cap space like the raiders.

(This is NOT a let's trade romo thread!)

I'm just interested in that process and if there are ways around cap hits if any.

All of the unrealized prorated bonus money accelerates onto the cap immediately when a player is traded.

That number is about 41M for Romo.

 

[Wolf2k5]

All of the unrealized prorated bonus money accelerates onto the cap immediately when a player is traded.

That number is about 41M for Romo.

How does this work if a player is cut/retires?

 

[Idgit]

This thread is a textbook example of how people on message boards intentionally misunderstand hypotheticals. You have to assume it's because they're trying to jump the argument they think is coming (in this case, that we should cut Romo at some point), but it's still pretty interesting to watch it happen, no matter how carefully the hypothetical is phrased.

 

[Risen Star]

I wish there was a system in place that made trading more prevalent in the NFL. An actual interesting trade deadline would be nice.

 

[Idgit]

I wish there was a system in place that made trading more prevalent in the NFL. An actual interesting trade deadline would be nice.

I totally agree. It would add a whole new layer to the team building part of the game.

 

[xwalker]

How does this work if a player is cut/retires?

It's the same if he is cut; although, they have the option to make a player a June 1st cut which pushes about half of the cap hit to the following year. The problem with the June 1st cut is that they have to carry the non restructured cap hit to June which would be almost impossible for a player like Romo.

If a player retires, technically, they're supposed to pay back a portion of the signing bonus, but I don't know how often that actually happens. The Dolphins did go to court to get money back when Ricky Williams "retired" the 1st time.

 

[Nightman]

I wish there was a system in place that made trading more prevalent in the NFL. An actual interesting trade deadline would be nice.

If they let the teams split the Dead Money there would probably be more trades. Since the team getting the player usually has to give the player a new contract, it could be worked into the new deal.

 

[Nightman]

Can anyone give me a good explanation of the trade process in terms of who's on the hook for salary and cap numbers? Let's use romo as an example and say we traded to a team with a top of cap space like the raiders.

(This is NOT a let's trade romo thread!)

I'm just interested in that process and if there are ways around cap hits if any.

As others have said the trading team has to eat all of the Dead Money immediately. In Romo's case it's 41m since they just paid his guaranteed salary of 13m as a bonus. In Dez's case it would be 1.9m. In Ware's case it was 8.5m

The team that is trading for the player isn't responsible for any dead money, but they are on the hook for the rest of the contract. In Romo's case that would be 5yr/79.5m, but only 15m guaranteed. In Dez's case he would be a FA after the season, so a new deal would have to be worked out in advance of the trade. I don't think you can Franchise a player you just traded for. In Ware's case the team would have been on the hook for 4yr/53m, but none of it was guaranteed. Ware would have all the leverage and the only thing the team could do would be to restructure his deal and pay him the 12.75m he was due or work out a new contract on Ware's terms.

 

[lostar2009]

I wonder why ppl say we could never get anything for Romo but the texans already have teams that are intetested inSchaub.