Explantion needed: Push out of bounds rule..

[dcjules]

CAn anyone offer up an explantion on why over the last 2 games the refs havent allowed Owens catches on 2 plays in which he clearly has one foot down and is pushed out of bounds??? I must not understand the rule, which wouldnt surprise me considering the announcers clearly dont clarify what we are seeing!!...

 

[WV Cowboy]

Both of those should have been catches for Owens.

They were actually perfect examples of why they made the push-out rule.

It is a judgement call though, and both times he got screwed.

I hope it is not because they don't like Owens, and that the same call would have been made no matter who the receiver was.

Right.

 

[Hostile]

Because Instant Replay does not work and never has. There are too many loopholes. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa in Physics to understand that if the left leg is closer to the sidelines than the right leg, and it gets down in bounds then without the push the right leg would be coming down in bounds too.

The loophole that has hung us twice now as you point out is that the Refs on the field have called it a catch without signaling a push out. In other words, they are saying the catch was made without the push out. A push out can not be challenged because it is a judgment call. But possession can be. If the WR gets both feet down it is a catch. If he doesn't, it is not.

So while the correct call (which is the whole stupid purpose of replay) would be to call both instances a reception, because of the stupid loophole it is not.

Replay does not work in its current form, and I doubt it ever will. All it does is disrupt the game.

 

[Smith22]

2 weeks straight they screwed us on that call. :bang2: But he did score the TD afterwards, so it didn't matter.

 

[dcjules]

Its just funny that both of these plays seem so obvious and to have both in prime time games, situations in which even the TV booths ignore, possible exception being Michaels and Madden..... Blantant miscalls... yet, Moss was ruled in bounds until further review...

 

[Hostile]

Its just funny that both of these plays seem so obvious and to have both in prime time games, situations in which even the TV booths ignore, possible exception being Michaels and Madden..... Blantant miscalls... yet, Moss was ruled in bounds until further review...

So was Owens ruled in bounds until further review. The difference is Moss was not pushed out of bounds, Owens was. If the Refs on both Owens catches had ruled he was pushed out, the receptions stand unless he, like Moss, had bobbled the ball.

Owens receptions have been over ruled by a loophole in the rules. The situations are NOT similar.

 

[Hoofbite]

simple explanation: It Doesn't Apply To Dallas Players

 

[Hostile]

simple explanation: It Doesn't Apply To Dallas Players

Actually it does. I don't buy the Refs have an anti-Dallas agenda. Not even this crew of Refs despite the prescient claims by some when the crew was announced for this game.

The problem with this particular call is not an agenda. The problem is a silly loophole. The reason for replay is to "get the call right no matter what." It doesn't work because there are loopholes. Inadvertent whistles, player ruled down by contact, ruled pushed out of bounds. All of these things can, and do, cause the system to not work.

Replay does fix some errors. No doubt about it. But it is still so flawed that it is laughable. I have never liked it and I doubt I ever will. I trust the referees judgments in live situations more than I trust replay. Even when it gets a call right like the Moss TD and that helps us I still don't like it. I don't like the disruption to the flow of the game, and I hate the loopholes.

 

[aikemirv]

Actually it does. I don't buy the Refs have an anti-Dallas agenda. Not even this crew of Refs despite the prescient claims by some when the crew was announced for this game.

The problem with this particular call is not an agenda. The problem is a silly loophole. The reason for replay is to "get the call right no matter what." It doesn't work because there are loopholes. Inadvertent whistles, player ruled down by contact, ruled pushed out of bounds. All of these things can, and do, cause the system to not work.

Replay does fix some errors. No doubt about it. But it is still so flawed that it is laughable. I have never liked it and I doubt I ever will. I trust the referees judgments in live situations more than I trust replay. Even when it gets a call right like the Moss TD and that helps us I still don't like it. I don't like the disruption to the flow of the game, and I hate the loopholes.

I agree and I knew that TO's reception yesterday was not going to count when I saw it.

I think that it is laughable that a pushout is not reviewable though. It is one of the most difficult things to judge at full speed. It takes a replay to be sure if it is a pushout or not.

And then in the case yesterday, the refs error doubled by the fact that not only did he think TO got both feet in bound, he did not rule a pushout because of it. So in this case the replay compoounded the original error by the ref!