FA Re-do

[Afigueroa22]

Since our free agency acquisitions did not affect our first round then maybe we should have picked up Nicks instead of Carr.

I don't think we would've paid what the bucs paid but it might have been similar. We would then have Claiborne and Jenkins which is still good.

 

[Risen Star]

Free agency should be done after the draft. Exactly for this reason.

 

[speedkilz88]

Since our free agency acquisitions did not affect our first round then maybe we should have picked up Nicks instead of Carr.

I don't think we would've paid what the bucs paid but it might have been similar. We would then have Claiborne and Jenkins which is still good.

Then you would still need to pay Jenkins around 50 million next year or forced to draft another CB high in the draft.

 

[Afigueroa22]

Then you would still need to pay Jenkins around 50 million next year or forced to draft another CB high in the draft.

There is no way we would've let him hit free agency. Let alone pay him 50 mill. Even if he is the only corner on the market he could never justify that amount.

 

[speedkilz88]

There is no way we would've let him hit free agency. Let alone pay him 50 mill. Even if he is the only corner on the market he could never justify that amount.

Yes he could. That is the going rate for an above average cb in free agency and he's already been in one pro bowl. If he has/had a solid 2012 going into 2013 he would be asking for just that.

 

[DallasEast]

There is no way we would've let him hit free agency. Let alone pay him 50 mill. Even if he is the only corner on the market he could never justify that amount.

When has justification not inflated some players contracts since 1993? This era of free agency has more than its share of free agent signings that could be considered out of the ordinary regardless of position or the signee's established abilities.

 

[Afigueroa22]

When has justification not inflated some players contracts since 1993? This era of free agency has more than its share of free agent signings that could be considered out of the ordinary regardless of position or the signee's established abilities.

Ok let me say that I don't think the Cowboys would pay him that. Look how he plays with what he makes. You think he would play better if we gave him $50 mill?

Of course another team could give him that amount but it wouldn't be us that's for darn sure.

 

[DallasEast]

Ok let me say that I don't think the Cowboys would pay him that. Look how he plays with what he makes. You think he would play better if we gave him $50 mill?

Of course another team could give him that amount but it wouldn't be us that's for darn sure.

There is no guarantee that he could upgrade his level of play regardless of which team paid him. [Current] free agency works on the assumption that a player will meet the base line commitments agreed upon by the player and the team. Any other achieved expectations are simply gravy.

Teams hope that every player, who signs a high dollar contract, will produce at a Pro Bowl level regardless of past play. If they knew that they could receive guaranteed high performance, teams would 100% guarantee contracts to secure such output.

 

[Afigueroa22]

There is no guarantee that he could upgrade his level of play regardless of which team paid him. [Current] free agency works on the assumption that a player will meet the base line commitments agreed upon by the player and the team. Any other achieved expectations are simply gravy.

Teams hope that every player, who signs a high dollar contract, will produce at a Pro Bowl level regardless of past play. If they knew that they could receive guaranteed high performance, teams would 100% guarantee contracts to secure such output.

Great players who go to different teams rarely work out. Sometimes it just takes a change of scenery for a player to reach their potential.

 

[DallasEast]

Great players who go to different teams rarely work out. Sometimes it just takes a change of scenery for a player to reach their potential.

True, and that possibility may materalize for Mike Jenkins.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Then you would still need to pay Jenkins around 50 million next year or forced to draft another CB high in the draft.

Well thinking in advance seems to be against the law I guess.

We got an ace in the hole now, and if Jenkins plays at a high level, we could let him walk and still be solid on the backend plus maybe get a compensatory pick for him.

Not to mention how many other needs we need to be looking at for next years draft, sometimes you just can't live only in the present when we have soooo many holes.

 

[CoCo]

Not sure how flipping FA period & the draft changes things much.

You have the freedom to go BPA or overpay/reach for need in either scenario.

 

[silverbear]

Ok let me say that I don't think the Cowboys would pay him that. Look how he plays with what he makes. You think he would play better if we gave him $50 mill?

Of course another team could give him that amount but it wouldn't be us that's for darn sure.

A concession that renders this thread irrelevant (of course, it was irrelevant right from the start)... if we did as you advise, we'd be in serious need of cornerback help again next season... and of course, you haven't factored in the possibility/likelihood of injury to one of our corners this season...

Nope, I would have liked Nicks, but I'll take what we did instead... I have to ask, do you spend a lot of your time speculating on "what if we'd done this instead"??

Seems like a colossal waste of time to me... I just don't see the point in spending a lot of time looking backwards, I prefer to focus on the future...

 

[jrumann59]

Not sure how flipping FA period & the draft changes things much.

You have the freedom to go BPA or overpay/reach for need in either scenario.

Basically it puts the leverage in the owners hand because if Team A know they cannot re-sign Free agent A and lets say the draft is full of quality players that play Free Agent A position his value goes down. Right now with the draft after Free agency the players have leverage.

 

[silverbear]

Since our free agency acquisitions did not affect our first round then maybe we should have picked up Nicks instead of Carr.

Why exactly should what we do in free agency dictate what we do in the draft?? The idea is to address your needs in free agency so that you can go BPA available in the draft... in this case, a scenario presented itself where the BPA available was a Pro Bowl-caliber corner...

I don't think we would've paid what the bucs paid but it might have been similar.

I see-- you think that Nicks would have signed with us even if the Bucs made him a better offer... this thinking is, of course, quite ridiculous...

Then again, so is this thread... sorry, have to be honest here...

We would then have Claiborne and Jenkins which is still good.

And of course, when Jenkins hits free agency after this season, he'd sign with us for less money than other teams are offering too, right?? I mean, it sure seems that you believe every player in the NFL would offer the Dallas Cowboys a discount for the right to play for the Cowboys...

And as I asked in a previous post, what happens if Claiborne or Jenkins gets nicked up?? Suddenly you're back to Scandrick as the starter, and nothing proven for your 3rd CB... but with Carr and Claiborne as the starters, with Scandrick and Jenkins proven corners for depth, the Boys are as close to bulletproof at the cornerback position (one of the critical positions on defense in today's NFL) as you can get in this era of the salary cap...

I honestly don't understand why you have any reservations at all about what the Cowboys did with their first round pick...

 

[silverbear]

Ok let me say that I don't think the Cowboys would pay him that.

Then the Cowboys will lose him in free agency... let's put it this way, I'll bet you a nickel-- real American money-- that Jenkins gets a contract in the 50 million range from somebody next offseason...

 

[DallasEast]

I see-- you think that Nicks would have signed with us even if the Bucs made him a better offer...

My comments from over a month ago...

There is only one offensive lineman free agent whom I had applied an all-or-bust acquisition grade and that was Carl Nicks. He bolted to Tampa Bay for $48 mil so fast that my head is still swooming. In hindsight, I do not know if we could have acquired him despite the imposed salary cap handicap.

Quite frankly, my head still swooms thinking just how fast he signed aboard the Bucs pirate ship. He could have easily initiated a bidding war for his services, but he wanted out of New Orleans so bad... whoa! kinda dizzy there...

 

[Hoofbite]

Easy

Spencer goes and Grubbs, Wells and Wimbley sign.

 

[Afigueroa22]

Why exactly should what we do in free agency dictate what we do in the draft?? The idea is to address your needs in free agency so that you can go BPA available in the draft... in this case, a scenario presented itself where the BPA available was a Pro Bowl-caliber corner...

Your confusing me here. First you say what we do in FA shouldn't affect your draft. Then you say your actions in FA allow you to take BPA. Please collect your thoughts and try again.

You think if the Bills offered Mario Williams 50 mil guaranteed and the Cowboys offered 45 mil guaranteed , he would've still signed with the Bills?
This thinking is, of course, quite ridiculous. Then again so is your FA ramble.


Jerry would not let Jenkins make it to the FA period. He would've signed him to a long term deal BEFORE the season started. Also, having three quality corners does not always work out. Look at the Eagles with their secondary. Injuries can happen at any position and your NEVER gonna have a quality starter behind every guy.

 

[theogt]

I don't think Jenkins is a long-term answer at corner, so I think it's good we got Carr.