Failures without Romo

[SHAMSzy]

I blame the coaching staff, starting with Garrett who is supposedly an offensive minded HC.

Weeden in Dal: 0-3, 1 TD 2 INTs
Weeden in Hou: 2-0, 3 TD 0 INTs

That is with Weeden being picked up by HOU midseason!! 2 road wins in their division with 3 TDs no picks!

Meanwhile our midseason acquisition:

Cassel in Dal: 1-8, 5 TDs 7 INTs
Cassel's career: 34-38, 96 TDs 70 INTs

Weeden and Cassel are both inadequate QB's but this is simply unacceptable. Garrett's coaching seat should be burning hot coming into the 2016 season.

 

[Sinister]

It definitely is big issue, I place a little blame on Jerry is because he is the one cheerleading for players like Weeden. I think at the root of it, it is a Jason Garrett issue. He was a former QB who seems unable to develop QB's. I don't think the Cowboys are in a position to fire Garrett at this point, but why does Wade Wilson still have a job here?

It's like the Cowboys are just accepting their mediocrity.

 

[DandyDon52]

why does Wade Wilson still have a job here?....... he doesnt rock the boat and jg and romo like him.
Tony needs someone to challenge him to be better in areas.
and we need someone to work with the bkups.

JG is evidently the qb coach, and he doesnt think he needs another real qb coach.
Cassel said last year he had a hard time because no coach was available to him early on !!!!!!!
I think they just gave him the play book and said here you go get ready !

 

[noshame]

why does Wade Wilson still have a job here?....... he doesnt rock the boat and jg and romo like him.
Tony needs someone to challenge him to be better in areas.
and we need someone to work with the bkups.

JG is evidently the qb coach, and he doesnt think he needs another real qb coach.
Cassel said last year he had a hard time because no coach was available to him early on !!!!!!!
I think they just gave him the play book and said here you go get ready !

I was appalled when Cassel said that I think it's because they been in love with Moore.

But hey what's not to love after all he has the same arm strength is Garrett and we all know what a promising career as a starter Garrett had

But yeah it'll be a shame if we draft a blue chip quarterback and have nobody here to coach him up

 

[DallasDomination]

It's no secret our coaching staff outside of Marinelli is a joke. That Stat proves it and so does our development of back ups and young talent. The one coach I know for sure is busting his behind with the players is Marinelli. Outside of that we need a clean slate.

 

[JDSmith]

I blame the coaching staff, starting with Garrett who is supposedly an offensive minded HC.

Weeden in Dal: 0-3, 1 TD 2 INTs
Weeden in Hou: 2-0, 3 TD 0 INTs

That is with Weeden being picked up by HOU midseason!! 2 road wins in their division with 3 TDs no picks!

Meanwhile our midseason acquisition:

Cassel in Dal: 1-8, 5 TDs 7 INTs
Cassel's career: 34-38, 96 TDs 70 INTs

Weeden and Cassel are both inadequate QB's but this is simply unacceptable. Garrett's coaching seat should be burning hot coming into the 2016 season.

You are ignoring a couple of facts: Weeden started one game for the Texans, and it was against the Titans. He played against the Colts and threw for a whopping 105 yards. Two road division wins don't mean a whole lot in that division. He started against the Falcons, Saints and Patriots for the Cowboys - the Falcons and Saints are no murderer's row, but still better than the pathetic Colts and even more pathetic Titans. And the Patriots are in an entirely different league than anyone in the AFC South.

Also, why are you bringing up Cassel's entire career numbers? How are they relevant? He hasn't been any good in years, he couldn't beat out the scrubs in Buffalo. Yes, that's an indictment of the coaching staff/scouts and their ability to evaluate a backup QB, but it's not as if Cassel sucked because he was in Dallas. He's sucked for years. What were his numbers like in 2014? I'll give them to you: 3 starts and a passer rating of 65.8, 3 TDs and 4 Ints.

So don't try and pretend that our coaching staff made them bad players. They were already bad players. The fact that they were our backups is a big problem, but you are simply making straw men and knocking them down by pretending they sucked because the our guys couldn't coach them up.

 

[Sinister]

You are ignoring a couple of facts: Weeden started one game for the Texans, and it was against the Titans. He played against the Colts and threw for a whopping 105 yards. Two road division wins don't mean a whole lot in that division. He started against the Falcons, Saints and Patriots for the Cowboys - the Falcons and Saints are no murderer's row, but still better than the pathetic Colts and even more pathetic Titans. And the Patriots are in an entirely different league than anyone in the AFC South.

Also, why are you bringing up Cassel's entire career numbers? How are they relevant? He hasn't been any good in years, he couldn't beat out the scrubs in Buffalo. Yes, that's an indictment of the coaching staff/scouts and their ability to evaluate a backup QB, but it's not as if Cassel sucked because he was in Dallas. He's sucked for years. What were his numbers like in 2014? I'll give them to you: 3 starts and a passer rating of 65.8, 3 TDs and 4 Ints.

So don't try and pretend that our coaching staff made them bad players. They were already bad players. The fact that they were our backups is a big problem, but you are simply making straw men and knocking them down by pretending they sucked because the our guys couldn't coach them up.

This is not about just Cassel and Weeden it is about the entirety of Garretts tenure here. Which QB have they developed? It was Parcells and Payton that developed Romo. Garrett has been with the Cowboys since 2008 (assistant coach), and he has yet to develop in any measurable way a QB that could fill in for Tony when he (inevitably) gets hurt. It is even worse with Wilson who was here in 2007.

After all that time trying to find a QB after Aikman retired now we have a QB that somehow has turned out to be one of the best QB's in Cowboys history and have not had a consistent backup is gross negligence on the part of this coaching staff. I don't completely blame Garrett for Weeden or Cassell because it is obvious that the front office (Jerry) had a huge hand in bringing in Weeden and expecting him to be an answer, but this is Garretts baby if he wants to be a good coach then he better get to work and start developing a QB that is actually worth a d***, because for the past 7 years he has done a piss poor job with the backup QB position!

 

[Vanilla2]

I thought Weeden only started one game in Houston?

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXWXXWeedBr00.htm

Pro football reference has him at 1-3 last year.

 

[Stash]

This is not about just Cassel and Weeden it is about the entirety of Garretts tenure here. Which QB have they developed? It was Parcells and Payton that developed Romo. Garrett has been with the Cowboys since 2008 (assistant coach), and he has yet to develop in any measurable way a QB that could fill in for Tony when he (inevitably) gets hurt. It is even worse with Wilson who was here in 2007.

After all that time trying to find a QB after Aikman retired now we have a QB that somehow has turned out to be one of the best QB's in Cowboys history and have not had a consistent backup is gross negligence on the part of this coaching staff. I don't completely blame Garrett for Weeden or Cassell because it is obvious that the front office (Jerry) had a huge hand in bringing in Weeden and expecting him to be an answer, but this is Garretts baby if he wants to be a good coach then he better get to work and start developing a QB that is actually worth a d***, because for the past 7 years he has done a piss poor job with the backup QB position!

If Garrett was opposed to Weeden or Cassel they wouldn't have been here. As the head coach, make no mistake that he's heavily involved in the process, despite what the staunch supporters would have you believe, that he's only responsible for drafting Pro Bowl offensive linemen according to his master plan and nothing else.

 

[BigStar]

This is not about just Cassel and Weeden it is about the entirety of Garretts tenure here. Which QB have they developed? It was Parcells and Payton that developed Romo. Garrett has been with the Cowboys since 2008 (assistant coach), and he has yet to develop in any measurable way a QB that could fill in for Tony when he (inevitably) gets hurt. It is even worse with Wilson who was here in 2007.

After all that time trying to find a QB after Aikman retired now we have a QB that somehow has turned out to be one of the best QB's in Cowboys history and have not had a consistent backup is gross negligence on the part of this coaching staff. I don't completely blame Garrett for Weeden or Cassell because it is obvious that the front office (Jerry) had a huge hand in bringing in Weeden and expecting him to be an answer, but this is Garretts baby if he wants to be a good coach then he better get to work and start developing a QB that is actually worth a d***, because for the past 7 years he has done a piss poor job with the backup QB position!

This also concluded that JG can't seem to formulate schemes around any QB. Romo has been around long enough to take on that task as QB coach and (OC = @ LOS). JG owes Romo his career at the least. Can't the coaching stuff lighten Romo's load just a tad? All the staff has proven are memorized sounds bites (JG). Are hot routes/blitz pickup off the table during practice to scheme for opponents?

Forget the overtime it may force JG/Wilson/Linehan to put in to ensure an advantage on game day without Romo; about shorter/schemed RAC passes that have been proven to be successful in the league; NE/GB/NO. Inside passing game outside of Witten, a rub play to get Beasley(any WR) in space would've seemed logical, a little motion to gain separation, etc. May have helped a poor backup QB who have been give a decent D a chance at times (2-4 wins) and with so many games decided so closely? Never mind, Romo was out w/injury and he will make all of those problems go away for next season and probably another 3 @ a minimum!!!

Trade up for Goff if that is what this takes; we OBV. need the talent of a QB to be immune from a lack of a true QB coach/OC/HC worthy of formulating schemes and help them see the field.

 

[StarBoyz83]

This is why defense is the main priority this offseason not the backup qb!

 

[CATCH17]

I blame the coaching staff, starting with Garrett who is supposedly an offensive minded HC.

Weeden in Dal: 0-3, 1 TD 2 INTs
Weeden in Hou: 2-0, 3 TD 0 INTs

That is with Weeden being picked up by HOU midseason!! 2 road wins in their division with 3 TDs no picks!

Meanwhile our midseason acquisition:

Cassel in Dal: 1-8, 5 TDs 7 INTs
Cassel's career: 34-38, 96 TDs 70 INTs

Weeden and Cassel are both inadequate QB's but this is simply unacceptable. Garrett's coaching seat should be burning hot coming into the 2016 season.

We've established Garrett is horrible and offers nothing.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Losing Dez had an impact on this season as well. When you go from Dez-Williams-Beasley to Williams-Street-Beasley...that's a significant downgrade.









YR

 

[DandyDon52]

I thought Weeden only started one game in Houston?

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXWXXWeedBr00.htm

Pro football reference has him at 1-3 last year.

officially the qb that takes the first snap gets credit for the win, which is messed up.
for example cassel took the first snap in game 1 in buffalo and was credited with the win, even though that
was the only play he had in the game!

Weeden won 2 games if you use common sense.
he game in early 1st qtr and houston was behind 0-10, and he led them to a win, so to me that win is weedens'.

 

[Rockport]

I blame the coaching staff, starting with Garrett who is supposedly an offensive minded HC.

Weeden in Dal: 0-3, 1 TD 2 INTs
Weeden in Hou: 2-0, 3 TD 0 INTs

That is with Weeden being picked up by HOU midseason!! 2 road wins in their division with 3 TDs no picks!

Meanwhile our midseason acquisition:

Cassel in Dal: 1-8, 5 TDs 7 INTs
Cassel's career: 34-38, 96 TDs 70 INTs

Weeden and Cassel are both inadequate QB's but this is simply unacceptable. Garrett's coaching seat should be burning hot coming into the 2016 season.

More proof that you must have a dominant defense to win in the NFL.

 

[LandryFan]

You are ignoring a couple of facts: Weeden started one game for the Texans, and it was against the Titans. He played against the Colts and threw for a whopping 105 yards. Two road division wins don't mean a whole lot in that division. He started against the Falcons, Saints and Patriots for the Cowboys - the Falcons and Saints are no murderer's row, but still better than the pathetic Colts and even more pathetic Titans. And the Patriots are in an entirely different league than anyone in the AFC South.

Also, why are you bringing up Cassel's entire career numbers? How are they relevant? He hasn't been any good in years, he couldn't beat out the scrubs in Buffalo. Yes, that's an indictment of the coaching staff/scouts and their ability to evaluate a backup QB, but it's not as if Cassel sucked because he was in Dallas. He's sucked for years. What were his numbers like in 2014? I'll give them to you: 3 starts and a passer rating of 65.8, 3 TDs and 4 Ints.

So don't try and pretend that our coaching staff made them bad players. They were already bad players. The fact that they were our backups is a big problem, but you are simply making straw men and knocking them down by pretending they sucked because the our guys couldn't coach them up.

Not sure why this wasn't posted in the "Rant Zone"...it is, after all, a "Rant" thread.

 

[DandyDon52]

I was appalled when Cassel said that I think it's because they been in love with Moore.

But hey what's not to love after all he has the same arm strength is Garrett and we all know what a promising career as a starter Garrett had

But yeah it'll be a shame if we draft a blue chip quarterback and have nobody here to coach him up

That is the one bad thing about getting a qb in the draft, but it also applies to RG and other vet bkups.
kellan is a smart guy who does a lot of learning on his own and he is close to linehan.
So they need a guy who can learn on his own and is motivated.

 

[Vanilla2]

officially the qb that takes the first snap gets credit for the win, which is messed up.
for example cassel took the first snap in game 1 in buffalo and was credited with the win, even though that
was the only play he had in the game!

Weeden won 2 games if you use common sense.
he game in early 1st qtr and houston was behind 0-10, and he led them to a win, so to me that win is weedens'.

So can we count his game against philly where he came in and finished off the Eagles?

Or does that not fit the story that's trying to be told?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Weeden in Hou: 2-0, 3 TD 0 INTs

You need to slow your roll with that. Weeden went 1-0 and in that game the defense outscored the opponent. I swear the legend of Weeden once he left here continues to grow.

 

[DandyDon52]

So can we count his game against philly where he came in and finished off the Eagles?

Or does that not fit the story that's trying to be told?

he came in and dallas was ahead ?? I think, but yeah he would get at least 1/2 credit for that.
The bottom line is houston got more out of him than dallas did.