Felix gets the Cy Young

[YosemiteSam]

...and deservingly so.

 

[peplaw06]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

One thing to cheer for this baseball season!!

 

[Stautner]

He's a hell of a pitcher. Imagine what he could do on a good team.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Players voted for Price.

 

[tko112204]

It is an encouraging sign for the intellect of baseball writers that in the past 2 years we've had

Lincecum- 15 wins
Greinke- 16 wins
Hernandez- 13 wins

win the Cy Young.


Bravo BBWAA.

 

[peplaw06]

He's a hell of a pitcher. Imagine what he could do on a good team.

We'll get there again. In Z We Trust.

 

[Temo]

Players voted for Price.

Players don't take those votes seriously.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Players don't take those votes seriously.

Neither do writers Temo.

 

[peplaw06]

I was looking in the article for the stat, but didn't see it on my scan. Something like 13 of his starts the Mariners scored 1 run or less. That's crazy bad offense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I was looking in the article for the stat, but didn't see it on my scan. Something like 13 of his starts the Mariners scored 1 run or less. That's crazy bad offense.

That's the way the Dodgers were with Koufax.

 

[Temo]

Neither do writers Temo.

Heck of a lot more than players.

 

[Temo]

That's the way the Dodgers were with Koufax.

Yea, but in Koufax's prime, Teams only scored 3.8-4.1 runs per game. In 2010 AL teams scored 4.45 runs per game... the Mariners scored 3.17 runs per game. That's a historically bad offense.

 

[Temo]

I was looking in the article for the stat, but didn't see it on my scan. Something like 13 of his starts the Mariners scored 1 run or less. That's crazy bad offense.

Not only that, he lost or received or a no-decision in 8 games in which he pitched at least 7 inning while giving up 2 or fewer earned runs.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It is an encouraging sign for the intellect of baseball writers that in the past 2 years we've had

Lincecum- 15 wins
Greinke- 16 wins
Hernandez- 13 wins

win the Cy Young.


Bravo BBWAA.

The Cy Young has nothing to do with wins. It has to do with the best pitcher in baseball.

The Cy Young Award is an honor given annually in baseball to the best pitchers in Major League Baseball (MLB), one each for the American League (AL) and National League (NL)

That doesn't say, pitcher with the most wins. Wins requires the pitchers offense to score. That has nothing to do with how well the pitcher pitched.

The Cy Young belongs to Felix Hernandez. He was just flat out better than every other pitcher in the AL (and NL)

 

[peplaw06]

The Cy Young has nothing to do with wins. It has to do with the best pitcher in baseball.


That doesn't say, pitcher with the most wins. Wins requires the pitchers offense to score. That has nothing to do with how well the pitcher pitched.

The Cy Young belongs to Felix Hernandez. He was just flat out better than every other pitcher in the AL (and NL)

pssst. I think tko was being serious. It's a good thing that the voters aren't focusing on wins.

 

[YosemiteSam]

pssst. I think tko was being serious. It's a good thing that the voters aren't focusing on wins.

Doesn't matter, I hate him.

 

[Stautner]

The Cy Young has nothing to do with wins. It has to do with the best pitcher in baseball.


That doesn't say, pitcher with the most wins. Wins requires the pitchers offense to score. That has nothing to do with how well the pitcher pitched.

The Cy Young belongs to Felix Hernandez. He was just flat out better than every other pitcher in the AL (and NL)

I have to say this is a little off base. Obviously wins do have something to do with how well a pitcher dos his job. It's just that wins aren't the single biggest factor that many seem to think. I agree with you that it's good to see that the voters regognize this.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Heck of a lot more than players.

Sounds like opinion to me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yea, but in Koufax's prime, Teams only scored 3.8-4.1 runs per game. In 2010 AL teams scored 4.45 runs per game... the Mariners scored 3.17 runs per game. That's a historically bad offense.

Yes, but the other side of that is that you didn't have middle relief or closers or any of that kind of thing in those days. You also didn't pitch on a 5 pitcher rotation. Fields were bigger, I grant you that and the ball was not as live but you can also make the point that training was not as advanced, you didn't have the kind of dietary or supplemental aids that you have today. You also didn't have things like HGH or roids or whatever else. It was a different game, that's true but nothing suggests to me that the game has gotten tougher then it was then.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have to say this is a little off base. Obviously wins do have something to do with how well a pitcher dos his job. It's just that wins aren't the single biggest factor that many seem to think. I agree with you that it's good to see that the voters regognize this.

I think something that really isn't factored in is pressure to win. It's not a stat, per say, but I definitely think that there is something to be said for that. IN the case of Price and C.C., I think it's relevant to say that each of those guys pitched in a much better division and that each of them pitched with much more pressure to win on every start. It's a lot harder to pitch when you know you can't make a mistake then it is when there is no pressure on you to have to win IMO.

I don't know how you measure that but I believe it's relevant.