Few Thoughts/Opinions

[Creeper]

-Very hard to evaluate our offense when our backup QB cannot complete a simple pass. Many three and out drives where the entire offense cannot find any rhythm. Milton has talent, but he is more of a developmental #3 QB prospect at this juncture. Cowboys have almost no choice but to find a capable #2 backup as Grier isn't the answer either.

-Good OL play is all about cohesion and play together as one. It is difficult playing multiple young players as they suffer through growing pains learning the position. What is most important is to get their starters back healthy so they can build on that chemistry with on another. Both Smith/Steele are expect to become key performers in their rushing attack.

-WR cutdown is going to be difficult. Lamb/Pickens/Turpin/Tolbert/Mingo if healthy are locks. Best special teamer probably is Brooks if they keep a 6th WR, but they might not be possible this yr.

-Tough cutdown for the Defensive line forthcoming. Say they keep 5 Edge, 5 DT's: Parsons, Fowler, EZ, Kneeland that leaves just 1 spot for Sam Williams, James Houston, Payton Turner. I am keeping Houston out of that group and looking to deal Sam Williams. As for DT: Osa, Thomas, Mazi, Winfrey, Toia. This leaves no room for adding a much needed veteran. Think Mazi is safe cause of his contract. Would they risk losing Toia or Winfrey to waivers?

-Really like what I am seeing out of the linebacker group. This should be no surprise as Eberflus is a former LB positional coach. Hell, even Damone Clark looks good. Actually have good depth at the position.

-Nickel corner is another position that is going to be difficult to cut down: Either Hall or Childress makes the team not both. I like Childress better cause of his tackling abilities. Does Carson factor in here as well?

-What are they going to do at corner? Do they put Diggs/Revel/Butler on the short-term ir? Not sure of the rules, but don't think they can do it for all three. Outside of Bland/Elam, they have street level talent. Almost have to add a veteran here.

100% agree with point #1. Milton is a long term high risk project. They need someone else as the backup. And yes, Milton's development may be hurting the development of receivers and RBs because they aren't getting enough opportunities.

I may be in the minority, but I hate seeing Turpin taking a WR spot. He is good for the occasional play but I don't see him as a regular WR3. I also think Tolbert should be on the bubble if not the odd man out. Tolbert is in the last year of his rookie deal and he has no upside after 4 years. I don't see the Cowboys re-signing him so why keep him this year just to let him go next year. I think Flournoy and possible Holden will both be better than Tolbert. Brooks is in his 3rd year as well. Is he really going to get better after another year? Given the state of the Cowboys in 2025, I would keep Flournoy and Holden.

I have seen nothing from Turner so far. I don't see the point in keeping him. At DT, I think Winfrey has earned a spot on this team. This could just be a testament to how bad the Cowboys DTs are but he looks as good as any of them. Toia show promise. He hasn't been great but he has had flashes we have never seen from Mazi. It may take Toia another year or two but that is typically the way with DTs. I haven't seen Thomas play yet so it is hard for me to tell what he is but I assume he makes the team along with Osa. I'd keep 3 more which I think will be Winfrey, Toia and Mazi.

 

[blueblood70]

We have seen Grier in the past, in his opportunities he also has struggled. Not as bad as Milton, but still not good enough. You are right, if Dak goes down for a long period, season would be over anyway, but they need a backup who can come in and win a game if called upon

The past is the past,

this would be the now this would be for what does he look like now. And again you have to picture him with the starters not the backups but I think it's unfair that he didn't get more time in the last game I mean you still can get Milton all the reps you need but you should have gave Grier the entire first half, but that's my opinion, i'm not a coach I'm not an expert ,

but I need to see it if you're going to try to find out which one would be your better option short term, I think it's Grier because he is developing into Cooper Rush, you think Cooper Rush was who he was now his first three years because I'm going to tell you he wasn't he was exposed to the practice squad he went to the Giants for one short stint off our practice squad and then cut then brought back here and then up and down off the practice, until now in Year 9 he's finally a serviceable backup. So Cooper rush in the past also blew chunks and yet here he is finally becoming a serviceable backup the last three years.​

There's no reason to think that Grier can't be that guy, you just have to give him his opportunities, I know Milton is raw it needs all the opportunities he needs but speaking of just coming into this season I think Grier needed some more work.....

We stayed in the past which everyone says it's really bad to stay in the past That old adage is holds true then Cooper Rust sucked and he should have never been brought back multiple times on this team if we judged him solely on his past how about Geno Smith and Sam Darnold if we simply judge them by their past at some point you can develop a guy like Greer into a Cooper Rush which I think he's more athletic he might be a better version of Cooper Rush but you can make these guys into a backup like Tyrod Taylor Josh Jacobs Jacoby Brissett but you gotta give them their time as well why can't Greer get his time we have not seen him this year...

 

[Cowboyny]

The past is the past,

this would be the now this would be for what does he look like now. And again you have to picture him with the starters not the backups but I think it's unfair that he didn't get more time in the last game I mean you still can get Milton all the reps you need but you should have gave Grier the entire first half, but that's my opinion, i'm not a coach I'm not an expert ,

but I need to see it if you're going to try to find out which one would be your better option short term, I think it's Grier because he is developing into Cooper Rush, you think Cooper Rush was who he was now his first three years because I'm going to tell you he wasn't he was exposed to the practice squad he went to the Giants for one short stint off our practice squad and then cut then brought back here and then up and down off the practice, until now in Year 9 he's finally a serviceable backup. So Cooper rush in the past also blew chunks and yet here he is finally becoming a serviceable backup the last three years.​

There's no reason to think that Grier can't be that guy, you just have to give him his opportunities, I know Milton is raw it needs all the opportunities he needs but speaking of just coming into this season I think Grier needed some more work.....

We stayed in the past which everyone says it's really bad to stay in the past That old adage is holds true then Cooper Rust sucked and he should have never been brought back multiple times on this team if we judged him solely on his past how about Geno Smith and Sam Darnold if we simply judge them by their past at some point you can develop a guy like Greer into a Cooper Rush which I think he's more athletic he might be a better version of Cooper Rush but you can make these guys into a backup like Tyrod Taylor Josh Jacobs Jacoby Brissett but you gotta give them their time as well why can't Greer get his time we have not seen him this year...

They pretty much know what they have in Grier, which is why Milton is getting all the reps. They have seen him in practice but also worked with him in the past.

 

[Cowboyny]

100% agree with point #1. Milton is a long term high risk project. They need someone else as the backup. And yes, Milton's development may be hurting the development of receivers and RBs because they aren't getting enough opportunities.

I may be in the minority, but I hate seeing Turpin taking a WR spot. He is good for the occasional play but I don't see him as a regular WR3. I also think Tolbert should be on the bubble if not the odd man out. Tolbert is in the last year of his rookie deal and he has no upside after 4 years. I don't see the Cowboys re-signing him so why keep him this year just to let him go next year. I think Flournoy and possible Holden will both be better than Tolbert. Brooks is in his 3rd year as well. Is he really going to get better after another year? Given the state of the Cowboys in 2025, I would keep Flournoy and Holden.

I have seen nothing from Turner so far. I don't see the point in keeping him. At DT, I think Winfrey has earned a spot on this team. This could just be a testament to how bad the Cowboys DTs are but he looks as good as any of them. Toia show promise. He hasn't been great but he has had flashes we have never seen from Mazi. It may take Toia another year or two but that is typically the way with DTs. I haven't seen Thomas play yet so it is hard for me to tell what he is but I assume he makes the team along with Osa. I'd keep 3 more which I think will be Winfrey, Toia and Mazi.

Some good points.

-Milton right now cannot be expected to win us a game, he is just too raw of a player at this juncture.
-Turpin's skill set offers something we don't have, elite speed at the position. Him on the field opens up the rest of the offense even if he doesn't get the football.
-Agree with Tolbert, been give every opportunity and hasn't alleviated his game. Much rather move forward with a younger prospect who is on a cheaper contract.
-Turner to be is on the outside looking in. Don't think he has done enough to warrant a roster spot. Problem is, we don't have many good run defenders at the position. Kneeland might be the only plus run defender.
-Winfrey as the ability to play either interior position, where both Mazi/Toia are more two down players. I fear if the team tries to put either Winfrey or Toia through waivers they will be claimed by another team. I would like to move on from Mazi, but his contract and the owner's ego might not allow that to happen.

This roster needs to add a veteran DT and CB. Perhaps a surplus at another position could allow a player for player trade. Wide Receiver, Edge or maybe OL could net such a player.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I understand what you are saying. I do believe Thomas is safe as he has yet to see the field. I like Winfrey the best over the other 1’s, but don’t want to lose Toia. I rather move on from Mazi the. Lose Toia to waivers. Winfrey reminds me of McClain, as he can play either position

Winfrey is 290 pounds. To me he is pretty much a 3T only. We are stuck with Mazi at 1T unless we swing a trade. He can at lease stalemate. Toia plays with very poor gap discipline, and we cant really count on him for any real role right now. If you move on from Mazi, you need an incoming 1T. We don't have that on the roster right now

 

[blueblood70]

They pretty much know what they have in Grier, which is why Milton is getting all the reps. They have seen him in practice but also worked with him in the past.

He still needs the reps getting prepared just like any other player if he is going to be counted on as the number two I would've started him the first half of the last game and seeing how he played if he earned starting the first half of the last game he should have got it that's how you play the who earned the snaps because you need him as prepared as possible to also be the backup... You can get Milton plenty of reps in the second half of both of those games..

 

[LOBO7]

I have a bad feeling about this season unfortunately.

This Micah hold in is nothing but a negative effect on this team.

The owner is more worried about selling movie tickets.

Big mistake not drafting Shedeur Sanders in the 3rd round.

The Ravens second team defensive line manhandled Booker and Bebe. Sanders had no holes to run in. I saw the game on the Raves network. They where not impressed with Bebe or Booker.

Milton was bad but his second pass bounced off receivers helmet and Cropper dropped a dime on the next play because Starks was coming.

Cooper Rush is not worth the money the Ravens paid him.

Shedeur Sanders in the 3rd. yep. good call

 

[MarcusRock]

The Ravens second team defensive line manhandled Booker and Bebe.

Interesting. I've seen quite a few saying Booker did well. Some of that could be people needing to say he did well or face admitting we could be in for a long one this season but good to see a different take. I might go back and watch him.

 

[Cowboyny]

Winfrey is 290 pounds. To me he is pretty much a 3T only. We are stuck with Mazi at 1T unless we swing a trade. He can at lease stalemate. Toia plays with very poor gap discipline, and we cant really count on him for any real role right now. If you move on from Mazi, you need an incoming 1T. We don't have that on the roster right now

I heard Winfrey was closer to 300lbs. Toia has been playing better then Mazi thus far, which isn't saying much, but he is unlikely to pass through waivers. Thomas, Osa are secured rostered spots, that leaves 1 of those 3 who won't make it if they decide to add a veteran. Rather move ahead with the younger/cheaper player in Toia.

 

[Cowboyny]

He still needs the reps getting prepared just like any other player if he is going to be counted on as the number two I would've started him the first half of the last game and seeing how he played if he earned starting the first half of the last game he should have got it that's how you play the who earned the snaps because you need him as prepared as possible to also be the backup... You can get Milton plenty of reps in the second half of both of those games..

I think we might see him getting those reps this week as Milton has struggled with his opportunity to seize the job.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I heard Winfrey was closer to 300lbs. Toia has been playing better then Mazi thus far, which isn't saying much, but he is unlikely to pass through waivers. Thomas, Osa are secured rostered spots, that leaves 1 of those 3 who won't make it if they decide to add a veteran. Rather move ahead with the younger/cheaper player in Toia.

Im not seeing that at all with Toia at all. Toia looks lost out there and with Smith in were we're actually able to hold the middle. Our run D was much better with Smith than Toia. I like the raw ability I have seen with Toia, but right now Smith is head and shoulders better imo

 

[baltcowboy]

At one point the Ravens out gained the Cowboys 169 yards to 4 yards. The yahoos on the board want to just blame the quarterback.

 

[quickccc]

-Joe Milton ineffectiveness is gonna force us to keep wil Grier as 3rd. backup qb..

- Mingo injury could force IR and new opening for 5th WR.

-Childress over Carson and Hall..
I expect team to IR rookie Revel.

- Mazi not deserving of 53 roster but draft rd. Politics may force this. I could see Jay toia and Tommy Atk. As practice squadees.

- Logjam at LB, either we carry 7 LBs or Murray gets cut.

- Does mile Sanders make this team ? How many RBs (including Lupeke) do we keep?

- I still think we keep 4 TEs

I haven't made out the whole OL unit that would include vets Charles and Jones, I expect both to be permanent IR, but could be wrong with this

 

[Cowboyny]

Im not seeing that at all with Toia at all. Toia looks lost out there and with Smith in were we're actually able to hold the middle. Our run D was much better with Smith than Toia. I like the raw ability I have seen with Toia, but right now Smith is head and shoulders better imo

If you put Toia on waivers, there is a strong chance he is picked up by another team.

 

[blueblood70]

I think we might see him getting those reps this week as Milton has struggled with his opportunity to seize the job.

I realized that,
but the 3rd game is a typical throw away and he's going to see the least amount of good defenders and probably the least amount of quality players around him..

that's why I wanted him to have this be fair and even he should have started this last game for a full half if not 2 1/2 quarters in the Milton wrap it up.... I would have seen more of an assessment ,you know a fair assessment..

I'm wondering if Blue is going to end up playing because I really want to see him, but I also don't want to relapse and maybe if they hide him anyway, he comes out in game one against the Eagles and just blows up on the scene...lol One can only dream....

 

[darthseinfeld]

If you put Toia on waivers, there is a strong chance he is picked up by another team.

I wouldnt waive him, but he isnt someone Im putting on the field this year. He needs alot of work reading blocks. He was completely lost against Baltimore

 

[blueblood70]

Shedeur Sanders in the 3rd. yep. good call

The hindsight is is really nice and I'm glad you think it's special but it's not no team thought he was worth a 3rd round pick but you thought the Cowboys should have done it There was a reason he slipped Even Quinn Ewers slipped way down and he's had decent preseason but I need to see this in real games i'm tired of all the hype on how someone looks in preseason when they have to read a real defense coming full speed at you throwing everything you can think at you as far as trying to confuse young players we'll see how they look then when the pressure's really on...
i'm not discrediting sanders i'm saying tap the damn brakes. Saying the same thing about Jackson Dart but we'll find out how that works out if they overextend and throw this dude to the Wolves in a game when they have to see real defenses read real game plans and disguising everything you could think of you send that young guy out there I promise you most defensive coordinators will be licking their chops guys like Parsons will EAT...

 

[Cowboyny]

-Joe Milton ineffectiveness is gonna force us to keep wil Grier as 3rd. backup qb..

- Mingo injury could force IR and new opening for 5th WR.

-Childress over Carson and Hall..
I expect team to IR rookie Revel.

- Mazi not deserving of 53 roster but draft rd. Politics may force this. I could see Jay toia and Tommy Atk. As practice squadees.

- Logjam at LB, either we carry 7 LBs or Murray gets cut.

- Does mile Sanders make this team ? How many RBs (including Lupeke) do we keep?

- I still think we keep 4 TEs

I haven't made out the whole OL unit that would include vets Charles and Jones, I expect both to be permanent IR, but could be wrong with this

-Agree about Grier, have no choice but to roster him now. Wonder who gets the 5th WR spot if Mingo goes on the IR: Holden, Flournoy, Brooks?

-Believe Murray is a roster lock. Who are the 7 backers you are talking about as Overshown will be placed on PUP? Murray, Sanborn, Marist, James, Clark is 5.

-It's going to be Sanders or Mafah, I would think Sanders makes the team, where Mafah is on the ps.

-Asim Richards spot could be in trouble, yes he has positional flex, but not good that he is a backup with all these injuries.

 

[Teague31]

Meanwhile.......

Yeah that $10m a year salary doesn’t look so bad at this point

 

[blueblood70]

I wouldnt waive him, but he isnt someone Im putting on the field this year. He needs alot of work reading blocks. He was completely lost against Baltimore

Why not i'm not saying start the guy but this is one position the full absolute nose tackle not the hybrids like Solomon Thomas That guy will get plenty of time on the line with certain packages alongside OSA, But they can't find anything better than you rotate three nose tackles in until the light comes on for one of them you just gotta do what you gotta do with what you got....

I'm sure they'll get that figured out Maybe Matt's and Jerry's ear right now or Will Mcclay and saying look this isn't going to work and they'll make a move after the last preseason game when they're making about 35 cuts then they're going to start looking who to bring back from other cuts or a trade....,