Film Room: What Is J.J. Wilcox's Ceiling?

[waving monkey]

Above average ? would make him around the 15/16th rated safety in the league.
Poor instincts? I see Wilcox differently then others on this board and i may have over rated Wilcox.
This is his year. Jones may take his position we'll see.

 

[Frozen700]

He can actually be real good. I don't know about great yet, but he can be real good IMO. Him and OScan are 2 guys that could be real good for us.

 

[xwalker]

Above average ? would make him around the 15/16th rated safety in the league.
Poor instincts? I see Wilcox differently then others on this board and i may have over rated Wilcox.
This is his year. Jones may take his position we'll see.

There were a lot of plays where it appeared at first glance that Wilcox was to blame, but upon further analysis, it was often the result of other players being out of position. The FS has to play as if other players are going to react correctly. This is especially true in Marinelli's scheme as he coaches the FS to play within the scheme. Many times other players were out of position, especially the LBs, and it made it appear that Wilcox took the wrong angle. Sometimes he really did take the wrong angle, but more often is was other players being out of position.

 

[waving monkey]

There were a lot of plays where it appeared at first glance that Wilcox was to blame, but upon further analysis, it was often the result of other players being out of position. The FS has to play as if other players are going to react correctly. This is especially true in Marinelli's scheme as he coaches the FS to play within the scheme. Many times other players were out of position, especially the LBs, and it made it appear that Wilcox took the wrong angle. Sometimes he really did take the wrong angle, but more often is was other players being out of position.

Yea I have heard that also. Wilson is hard to peg but I'm still in his corner Thanks X

 

[xwalker]

Yea I have heard that also. Wilson is hard to peg but I'm still in his corner Thanks X

I posted a video and some still photos of a play during the season where many people thought Wilcox screwed up; however, I showed in detail why it was actually other players that screwed up and why Wilcox did exactly what he should have done on the play. I would say that more than 50% of the people refused to believe that Wilcox played it correctly despite the obvious logical and visual evidence. Many plays are difficult to analyze in term of Safety play, but this particular play was really obvious once you look at it in slow motion.

I have not gone though all of his plays for the season to really give him an overall grade; however, I just know that many of the plays where the fans/media blamed him were not really his fault.

 

[Garret]

I think we could come out in Nickle in certain situations with Church playing one of line backers with Lee. The you have Jones and Wilcox playing the safety position. I could be wrong but its one option we could use to get the best talent on the field at once.

 

[Aliencowboy]

That would be silly considering Church is better near the LOS than Wilcox is.

Agree. Church is better closer to the line, away from the line and is more of a play maker.

 

[Aliencowboy]

PFF also has Wilcox with a better defensive passer rating. Church is 10 points higher. Lower is better in this case. Not that I put stock in that either.

The articles out there including this one concede that Church is the more reliable and overall better Safety. If Mo Claiborne is any where near decent starting quality, we will get to see what happens with Jones taking FS and who fills the other role. I'd definitely put money Church in that scenario.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Dallas Cowboys film room: What is J.J. Wilcox’s ceiling?
By Marcus Mosher



I used to believe that quarterback was the most talent-deprived position in the NFL. But with the influx of great talent into the position the last few years (Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Teddy Bridgewater, etc), I no longer believe this is true.

If I were to ask you to name the best five free safeties in the NFL, I’m sure you would say Earl Thomas and probably Devin McCourty. After that, you may struggle to even come up with three other names. For the most part, teams are sending out pairs of safeties that are real liabilities on the field. As for the Dallas Cowboys, they currently have two average safeties, which gives them one of the best tandems in the league if that makes sense. That should also give you an idea of where the safety position is at now in the NFL.

The biggest problem for Dallas regarding their safety play is that they currently have two strong safeties that both thrive when they are moving forward and are lined up closer to the line of scrimmage. As for J.J. Wilcox, he’s had to endure a tough transition from college running back to strong safety and now to free safety. It hasn’t been a seamless move, but it may have clouded our judgment as to how good Wilcox can eventually be...



Read more at http://cover32.com/cowboys/2015/05/...t-is-j-j-wilcoxs-ceiling/#SdaJQK4SEVwLxmmi.99

This is the closest thing to reality on the field that I've read here in this thread. Why expect so much out of JJWilcox? Small school, mid-round pick that was a RB. Give it a rest you PCPs (PETCATPROMOTERS).

 

[Daillest88]

He's only going to get better

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The articles out there including this one concede that Church is the more reliable and overall better Safety. If Mo Claiborne is any where near decent starting quality, we will get to see what happens with Jones taking FS and who fills the other role. I'd definitely put money Church in that scenario.

If you want to jump on the supposed bandwagon as the basis for your opinion then fine but I know for a fact that plenty of people that are concerned with Church's range including the coaches who don't ever play him deep middle and take him off the field in favor of Spillman and Heath.

PFF tabulated the defensive passer ratings and Wilcox was better. They can make whatever qualitative generalizations they like but cognitive dissonance has to be a pita.