Final Team Defense stats: Cowboys 28th in Total D

StarOfGlory

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This is why I am screaming that our #1 draft/FA focus needs to be DT. Get two of them to have a real rotation in the middle.

  • Total Defense: Dallas-28th, 355.2 YPG, 55 TD's
  • Pass Defense: Dallas-17th, 218.1 YPG, 28 TD's
  • Rush Defense: Dallas-29th, 137.1 YPG, 25 TD's
  • Scoring Defense: Dallas-31st, 27.5 PPG
  • Red Zone Defense: Dallas-32nd, 75% TD rate
  • Third Down Defense: Dallas-9th, 36.6% conversion rate
And if anyone is wondering, the Eagles finished with the #1 defense, at 278.4 YPG and 33 TD's. I do find it interesting that among the top-5 defenses in total defense, only the Eagles (#1) and the Packers (#5) are in the playoffs. The other three teams are the Titans, Jets, and Dolphins.
 

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I'm not sure a singular DT would've made as much of an impact when were just grabbing guys off the street to play DE at times. We were hit hard by injuries, heavily on the defensive side. The numbers are what they are, but they could bring back the same guys next year and if everyone was healthy the numbers would be much improved. Not saying we don't need help there, just saying...
 

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In the draft or FA the Cowboys need 2 DT's and a DE. I'm not talking about dumpster diving DL's either. They need guys who can play.

I hope this is the year they get serious about fixing the DL. Something long overdue.
I agree, we'll probably lose Osa on the first day of FA, it's time to get serious about something that's destroyed us for years. Get those DT's, and make sure we get the right kind of DT, do we want guys that get up the field, pluggers, or guys that can do both (hopefully they can do both)
 

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I'm not sure a singular DT would've made as much of an impact when were just grabbing guys off the street to play DE at times. We were hit hard by injuries, heavily on the defensive side. The numbers are what they are, but they could bring back the same guys next year and if everyone was healthy the numbers would be much improved. Not saying we don't need help there, just saying...
Having two solid DT's means that the center has to stay put more often and not give support blocking outside pass rushers. Just watching the Eagles with Carter and Davis, one of them is always doubled, and in the case of Carter on a number of plays, triple teamed. Having a solid versatile rotational player like Milton Williams helps keep everyone fresh. Williams would start on a number of teams, and they got him in the 3rd round.

If Mazi can't really step up this year, I fear JAG status for him. Yes, he looked better against lesser teams, but we need to beat the likes of the Lions, Eagles, Packers, and 49ers to make noise.
 

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This is why I am screaming that our #1 draft/FA focus needs to be DT. Get two of them to have a real rotation in the middle.

  • Total Defense: Dallas-28th, 355.2 YPG, 55 TD's
  • Pass Defense: Dallas-17th, 218.1 YPG, 28 TD's
  • Rush Defense: Dallas-29th, 137.1 YPG, 25 TD's
  • Scoring Defense: Dallas-31st, 27.5 PPG
  • Red Zone Defense: Dallas-32nd, 75% TD rate
  • Third Down Defense: Dallas-9th, 36.6% conversion rate
And if anyone is wondering, the Eagles finished with the #1 defense, at 278.4 YPG and 33 TD's. I do find it interesting that among the top-5 defenses in total defense, only the Eagles (#1) and the Packers (#5) are in the playoffs. The other three teams are the Titans, Jets, and Dolphins.
So an extension for Zimmer is coming.

McCarthys offense was garbage and looks like he's getting an extension.

Who cares about accountability? Jerry's happy paying these coaches mid range salaries as long as his bank account keeps increasing. Why put in the effort to interview and study candidates that could make a difference when you can just stick with what u are familiar with.
 

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Defense got better towards the end, and that 3rd down conversion rate was pretty good. I don't know what was going on earlier in the season, but it'll probably cost Zim the job.

Yes, 2 DT (1NT, 1DT)...1 starting MLB....starting CB. McClay has some work to do and they better hit or else another weak defense.
 

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So an extension for Zimmer is coming.

McCarthys offense was garbage and looks like he's getting an extension.

Who cares about accountability? Jerry's happy paying these coaches mid range salaries as long as his bank account keeps increasing. Why put in the effort to interview and study candidates that could make a difference when you can just stick with what u are familiar with.
truth
 

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Zimmer stinks as a DC. He stunk here 20 years ago with record breaking bad defenses, and he picked right up where he left off this year with a truly horrific defense. And yet we have some foolish people here who want to keep him.
 

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Zimmer stinks as a DC. He stunk here 20 years ago with record breaking bad defenses, and he picked right up where he left off this year with a truly horrific defense. And yet we have some foolish people here who want to keep him.
I think it was a combination of injuries and "initially" bad scheming. Wonder how much Zimmer was told what to do. I don't know. His defense did improve towards the end of the season, but that's not saying much.
 

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I think it was a combination of injuries and "initially" bad scheming. Wonder how much Zimmer was told what to do. I don't know. His defense did improve towards the end of the season, but that's not saying much.
Any other DC has to deal with that same stuff every year. Zimmer's record as DC speaks for itself. He just sucks at the job. Jerry was an idiot to hire him, and it shouldn't have been hard to see the disaster on defense coming a mile away. I called it perfectly from before the first kickoff, not because I'm psychic, or lucky, but because I actually pay attention to patterns and results.
 

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This is why I am screaming that our #1 draft/FA focus needs to be DT. Get two of them to have a real rotation in the middle.

  • Total Defense: Dallas-28th, 355.2 YPG, 55 TD's
  • Pass Defense: Dallas-17th, 218.1 YPG, 28 TD's
  • Rush Defense: Dallas-29th, 137.1 YPG, 25 TD's
  • Scoring Defense: Dallas-31st, 27.5 PPG
  • Red Zone Defense: Dallas-32nd, 75% TD rate
  • Third Down Defense: Dallas-9th, 36.6% conversion rate
And if anyone is wondering, the Eagles finished with the #1 defense, at 278.4 YPG and 33 TD's. I do find it interesting that among the top-5 defenses in total defense, only the Eagles (#1) and the Packers (#5) are in the playoffs. The other three teams are the Titans, Jets, and Dolphins.
We definitely need help on that side of the ball, and a DT is at the top of my wish list, but I don't think it's fair to the numbers to not consider the injuries. The Eagles had both of their top CBs the whole season. Ours played together in one game. (We also lost multiple other CBs.) We were missing our top pass rusher/catalyst for multiple games, our No. 2 pass rusher (Lawrence) and possibly our No. 3 (Williams). Then, a young player who was shining (Overshown) is lost for the season.

I don't have any problem moving on from Zimmer, but that was a lot to overcome without the front office doing much of anything to help other than giving him one of his former linebackers, but only because he's older and slowing down, therefore he was cheap.
 

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This is why I am screaming that our #1 draft/FA focus needs to be DT. Get two of them to have a real rotation in the middle.

  • Total Defense: Dallas-28th, 355.2 YPG, 55 TD's
  • Pass Defense: Dallas-17th, 218.1 YPG, 28 TD's
  • Rush Defense: Dallas-29th, 137.1 YPG, 25 TD's
  • Scoring Defense: Dallas-31st, 27.5 PPG
  • Red Zone Defense: Dallas-32nd, 75% TD rate
  • Third Down Defense: Dallas-9th, 36.6% conversion rate
And if anyone is wondering, the Eagles finished with the #1 defense, at 278.4 YPG and 33 TD's. I do find it interesting that among the top-5 defenses in total defense, only the Eagles (#1) and the Packers (#5) are in the playoffs. The other three teams are the Titans, Jets, and Dolphins.
well, it speaks volumes about our inabilities.

I think the passing game is ranked that high because teams ran on us easily and didn't need to pass. also that we were in a bunch of blow outs and teams tended to just run the ball and the clock.
I think the difference is that Titans, Jets and Dolphins didn't have any offense to go along with the defense.
Ravens were top 10 defense. texans and broncos at 6, 7. and chiefs at 9. so 6 of top 10 defenses in playoffs. then there is charges and commanders and seatle to round out the top 15.
offensively commanders an vikings and broncos are all top 10.

so its a balance between the two sides. we sucked in both.

playoffs will be interesting. if everyone is good offensively and capable, then it does come down to defense and eagles and packers and texans should see some success.
bills at 17, may need to rely on offense a lot and in January and february, that's tough.

I don't see any team like the Rams jaugger nut or the Patriots that just scored so much, it was tough to keep up.
 

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Zimmer stinks as a DC. He stunk here 20 years ago with record breaking bad defenses, and he picked right up where he left off this year with a truly horrific defense. And yet we have some foolish people here who want to keep him.
Eagles were 30th in total D last year. All we really did was change our DC, draft some good rookies, and add bargain bin FA’s

Exactly what Minnesota did as well. Get your Van Ginkle or Baun, and a quality DC, some healthy CBs, and everything will be back to normal.
 

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Zimmer stinks as a DC. He stunk here 20 years ago with record breaking bad defenses, and he picked right up where he left off this year with a truly horrific defense. And yet we have some foolish people here who want to keep him.
What record breaking bad defenses did he have in Dallas 20 years ago? Go ahead, I need a good laugh
 

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I think the defense performed admirably. So many injuries and lack of depth was insurmountable. They played hard and battled every snap. That being said still need 2 DT 2 DE 2 LB in draft and FA.
 

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This is why I am screaming that our #1 draft/FA focus needs to be DT. Get two of them to have a real rotation in the middle.

  • Total Defense: Dallas-28th, 355.2 YPG, 55 TD's
  • Pass Defense: Dallas-17th, 218.1 YPG, 28 TD's
  • Rush Defense: Dallas-29th, 137.1 YPG, 25 TD's
  • Scoring Defense: Dallas-31st, 27.5 PPG
  • Red Zone Defense: Dallas-32nd, 75% TD rate
  • Third Down Defense: Dallas-9th, 36.6% conversion rate
And if anyone is wondering, the Eagles finished with the #1 defense, at 278.4 YPG and 33 TD's. I do find it interesting that among the top-5 defenses in total defense, only the Eagles (#1) and the Packers (#5) are in the playoffs. The other three teams are the Titans, Jets, and Dolphins.
But Dak!
 

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Eagles were 30th in total D last year. All we really did was change our DC, draft some good rookies, and add bargain bin FA’s

Exactly what Minnesota did as well. Get your Van Ginkle or Baun, and a quality DC, some healthy CBs, and everything will be back to normal.
Your scheme changed too. Don't underestimate that. You had another year of your young interior d-line playing together. Your d-coordinator was smart enough to see that Baun should have been an inside backer, and two young players, Dean and Smith, took the next step. The defensive players you drafted over the past three years have almost all hit to be at least starter material.

My team needs DT's badly. Our run D will still get gashed against teams with good o-lines without them.

Curious to see how your D holds up under next years brutal schedule. NFCE has it rough next season.
 

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This is why I am screaming that our #1 draft/FA focus needs to be DT. Get two of them to have a real rotation in the middle.

  • Total Defense: Dallas-28th, 355.2 YPG, 55 TD's
  • Pass Defense: Dallas-17th, 218.1 YPG, 28 TD's
  • Rush Defense: Dallas-29th, 137.1 YPG, 25 TD's
  • Scoring Defense: Dallas-31st, 27.5 PPG
  • Red Zone Defense: Dallas-32nd, 75% TD rate
  • Third Down Defense: Dallas-9th, 36.6% conversion rate
And if anyone is wondering, the Eagles finished with the #1 defense, at 278.4 YPG and 33 TD's. I do find it interesting that among the top-5 defenses in total defense, only the Eagles (#1) and the Packers (#5) are in the playoffs. The other three teams are the Titans, Jets, and Dolphins.
Stats don’t always tell the whole story. Titans, Jets and Dolphins had bad offenses too which probably says why it didn’t take many hards to beat them. Eagles and Packers it will take some points to score against them.
 
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