Finding Romo's Replacement

[ThreeandOut]

Again, the current CBA doesn't give you the opportunity to groom QBs.

It's funny how people are so detached from reality and stuck in the past.

So why have so many of the teams with older franchise quarterbacks (Denver, New England, New Orleans) drafted quarterbacks in the 2-3rd round in recent years? Even Green Bay took a QB this year and Rogers isn't that old. I think that grooming a QB is still very relevant.

 

[jjktkk]

Its just odd that Dallas doesn't even use a late round pick to attempt to develop a young qb. It's like their gun shy after the McGee failure. I'm not saying necessarily develop a franchise qb, but possibly a qb that could eventually be a #2.

 

[viman96]

You do not have to draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd and Romo is a great example of that. The idea or should I say pie in the sky hope that you just find a franchise QB after Romo retires is ridiculous.

 

[reddyuta]

The hardest position to fill in sports is that of franchise QB. You take one when you can get one. To think it's going to happen on your schedule is foolish.

Until that position is settled, the future of this team is cloudy at best, IMO.

the problem is not simple.we had one Romo level QB available in the past 5 years in the draft and that was Luck who went 1st overall.I dont like our chances to find a guy even half as good as Romo even if we pick one in the 1st rd and i think the FO is actively trying to a find a future starter but it looks bleak looking at future QB prospects.

 

[waving monkey]

I think a lot of you missed the point.

The point is that drafted a quarterback prematurely doesn't help us, and doesn't make us more secure. You draft a quarterback when you think Romo can't go anymore or you sign one in free agency.

tell greenbay that

 

[MagicMan]

You all are assuming we need a 1st round QB like a Luck, Rodgers, Manning. We don't need one of those which next year will be the Penn St QB and the Michigain St QB------both going probably 1 and 2. Dallas will not be in that position anyway. This offense can be successful with a Russell Wilson type QB who can be had in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Scouts just have to do their homework and look for such a guy (Everett Gholson, anyone?) Then you don't pay him the exhorbitant salary to sit and wait. You can have time for him to develope. The hawks now have to pay Wilson, but he is starting and has proven himself.
Look at what GB just did, selected Hundley in the 5TH ROUND even though they have Rodgers at age 31 and younger than 35 year old Romo. The guy can just sit and learn----or be traded for a higher pick down the road. That is what Dallas needs to do now. Waiting 4 or 5 years will be too late------should Romo get hurt, which is very possible and not in you guys' timetable, has us playing the Weedens of the world and sifting throught UDFA for a QB. Good luck having lightning strike twice.

 

[viman96]

You all are assuming we need a 1st round QB

Not true

 

[Galian Beast]

So why have so many of the teams with older franchise quarterbacks (Denver, New England, New Orleans) drafted quarterbacks in the 2-3rd round in recent years? Even Green Bay took a QB this year and Rogers isn't that old. I think that grooming a QB is still very relevant.

Reading is important. When Green Bay drafted Rodgers they signed him to a 6 year contract. This was before the current CBA which limits contracts to 4 years with a pricey 5th year option.

Can you name a single quarterback who has sat for a year or two and was groomed since Rodgers and since the new CBA?

 

[darthseinfeld]

I really dont think Dallas shares the OPs view. The had looks in form of another be it visits of private workouts with every QB that could have gone on Day 2 of last years draft. Visits and workouts with QBs have been very rare since Romo took over.

They arent saying, and wont until they actually draft, but the front office is looking for talent for the future of the position

 

[Galian Beast]

tell greenbay that

Reading is important. Aaron Rodgers predates this current CBA had a 6 year rookie deal. Won the Super Bowl on his rookie salary.

 

[MagicMan]

Not true

You ain't the only one on this thread......don't apply it to yourself..

 

[Risen Star]

I think a lot of you missed the point.

The point is that drafted a quarterback prematurely doesn't help us, and doesn't make us more secure. You draft a quarterback when you think Romo can't go anymore or you sign one in free agency.

I think it's actually you that misses the point. Ignoring a chance at a franchise QB until you are desperate for one is the worst way to handle the situation.

 

[VACowboy]

I'll take recognition skills first arm second

Accuracy is #1 in my book.

 

[darthseinfeld]

A lot of people seem to be fixated on finding Romo's replacement. I understand the feeling after what happened with Troy Aikman, but I think the sentiment is mistaken.

First, I think the best chance we have to win is by giving Romo every resource we have in terms of draft picks. A franchise QB gives you the best chance to win a super bowl. A rookie quarterback on the bench doesn't help Romo.

Second let me address this issue. The salary cap. This isn't the 90's nor is it the early 2000's. The best aspect of having a rookie QB is to have them play for you for cheap so you can give that player a better team with the money you aren't spending on them. You used to be able to sign rookies for 6 years before you had to pay them. Now you can only get them for 4 years before you have to pay them. Note the 5th year option is basically the franchise tag, not quite as expensive, but none the less... It is 16 million dollars next year.

The next point takes me to the high level of nfl busts drafted in the first round. The bust rate is higher than 50%

Rather than draft a rookie quarterback EARLY and have them sit while Romo continues to improve as a player, I would rather sign a veteran qb in their 6th year even if they receive the franchise tag.

I'd rather give up two first round draft picks for a sure thing at QB and pay the player a veteran salary, than draft a quarterback in the first round HOPE he turns out good and sit him for 3-4 years and then pay him a veteran salary anyways....

The game has changed and your way of thinking needs to change with it.

Teams are destroyed by first round QB busts. And you would probably have us spend 2 to 3 first round draft picks on the position trying to find a proper legitimate successor to Romo.

It really worries me that part of your strategy for replacing Romo is just hoping that we find a great quarterback in the first round on our first try, despite the fact that teams across the league fail at this at a high percentage. Most drafts have 0 franchise quarterbacks, some have 1, and very very few have 2 or more, but magically we will get it done because?

Who exactly are we giving up 2 first round picks and probably 60 million guarenteed to with their drafted team unwilling to match?

 

[DFWJC]

Its just odd that Dallas doesn't even use a late round pick to attempt to develop a young qb. It's like their gun shy after the McGee failure. I'm not saying necessarily develop a franchise qb, but possibly a qb that could eventually be a #2.

As it turns out, they've been right not doing so, up to this point. All of this gnashing of teeth for so many years has been for nothing. Of course, they've also been lucky too.

The QB class stunk this year.
They had massive, gaping holes in the defense that needed addressing for now and the future.

Even then, if a great value on a QB that they liked fell to them (not just taking a QB just to take one...a brain dead exercise if there ever was one) they would have taken one this year.
They made that very clear.

I think this is now the mode they're in and the interest in taking one will increase dramatically each year.

My guess is that if there was a late rounder that they liked better than Vaughn, they would've taken the player. I may have taken Shane Carden in the 7th. But Vaughn is raw, so who's to say his upside isn't better than all of those late rounders.

 

[viman96]

Reading is important. When Green Bay drafted Rodgers they signed him to a 6 year contract. This was before the current CBA which limits contracts to 4 years with a pricey 5th year option.

Can you name a single quarterback who has sat for a year or two and was groomed since Rodgers and since the new CBA?

How about currently being groomed? Or does that fly too directly in the face of your logic?

New England: Jimmy Garoppolo
Denver: Brock Osweiler
New Orleans: Garrett Grayson
Green Bay: Brett Hundley

 

[Galian Beast]

First Round QBs since we got Romo

2014
Blake Bortles
Johnny Manziel
Teddy Bridgewater
Derek Carr

2013
EJ Manuel

2012
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weeden

2011
Cam Newton
Jack Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow

2009
Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco

2007
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

2006
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler

2005
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell

2004
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
JP Losman

2003
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman


Of the list 4 of them have won super bowls.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Reading is important. When Green Bay drafted Rodgers they signed him to a 6 year contract. This was before the current CBA which limits contracts to 4 years with a pricey 5th year option.

Can you name a single quarterback who has sat for a year or two and was groomed since Rodgers and since the new CBA?

Reading is indeed important. I just gave you three franchises that are in the process of grooming their QB's. But you obviously know more about developing QB's than Bill Bellicheck and Sean Peyton.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think it's actually you that misses the point. Ignoring a chance at a franchise QB until you are desperate for one is the worst way to handle the situation.

No, what he is saying is the best way to handle the situation is once Derek Carr gets franchise tagged, give him 50 million guarenteed and give the Raiders two first rounders because they would be stupid to match that

 

[darthseinfeld]

First Round QBs since we got Romo

2014
Black Bortles
Johnny Manziel
Teddy Bridgewater
Derek Carr

2013
EJ Manuel

2012
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weeden

2011
Cam Newton
Jack Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow

2009
Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco

2007
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

2006
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler

2005
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell

2004
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
JP Losman

2003
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman


Of the list 4 of them have won super bowls.

So who from this list are we trading for?