Fire Jason Garrett? Then You Would Have Fired Tom Landry

[ABQCOWBOY]

It saddens me that fans may look at this team and equate it to the Landry teams. It just says that we really don't know or understand what those teams were or what our history actually is.

I guess we have become used to what this team offers. That's unfortunate.

 

[vlad]

3 draft slots isn't enormous.....let's cut it out. He shouldn't have been fired for trying to win. That's loser talk. You can come up with 100's of other reasons why he should've been fired. You don't take a game. Browns tank every season and it helps them tremendously I suppose. They are a perennial playoff team and championship contender.

You are missing the point. The point is to get better when you know you're missing the tournament. That's not a loser's mentality whatsoever. The value of a top 100 pick over a meaningless win is just something we'll disagree about.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Since we're talking about Landry and early years playoff losses I want to be sure and say that surely the 2 losses to GB disturbed me as a 14 year old getting hooked on the NFL and Cowboys but the big losses to Cleveland in '68 and '69 crushed me. Felt like the end of the world and I was flooded with hopelessness. When we lost to Baltimore in our 1st SB I just halfway expected it. But man did they turn me around in the Miami SB and after that through the '70's I felt we were invincible.


No, JG is no Tom Landry. Based on philosophy alone Landry was in there teaching and had the most intimate knowledge of the game. Garrett's philosophy is cheerleading and I'm not saying this to just jump on the "hate JG Bandwagon". He has said in the past his main concern is team morale (WTH ????).

Go Cows !!!!!!!

 

[Idgit]

...No, JG is no Tom Landry. Based on philosophy alone Landry was in there teaching and had the most intimate knowledge of the game. Garrett's philosophy is cheerleading and I'm not saying this to just jump on the "hate JG Bandwagon". He has said in the past his main concern is team morale (WTH ????).

Go Cows !!!!!!!

Have a link for this quote?

 

[lockster]

I would have fired Tom Landry in 1986..actually after the 20-0 lose to the rams in the playoffs

it was timeless for Landry to exit. He should have left earlier. Wed still had stabach a while longer without landry

 

[plasticman]

Anyone who has the utter stupidity to compare Landry and Garrett should never be allowed to post on this board

And yet, you would have fired Tom La

I sure would love to have Garrett rise to the level of getting that reputation. At least Landry choked playing for the league title by his seventh year.

There were 14 teams in the league and the NFL championship was the only playoff game in 1966. They expanded to two rounds in 1967. The league championship would be comparable to somewhere between a divisional round and a conference round.

However, this was the precise time that the Super Bowl was born. The NFL champion challenged the other league's (AFL) champion.he AFL, to a game that was later called the Super Bowl
Those two playoff games that Landry lost was for the right to play in Super Bowl I and ll. The Cowboy lost in the final seconds. Had they won, then that Super Bowl trophy could very well have been named the Landry.

Landry game his team all that could be given, he was just never a lucky man. The Cowboys have never won a close championship game, all five Super Bowl victories were by double digits, all five losses by 7 or fewer points.

 

[Alexander]

And yet, you would have fired Tom La

There were 14 teams in the league and the NFL championship was the only playoff game in 1966. They expanded to two rounds in 1967. The league championship would be comparable to somewhere between a divisional round and a conference round.

However, this was the precise time that the Super Bowl was born. The NFL champion challenged the other league's (AFL) champion.he AFL, to a game that was later called the Super Bowl
Those two playoff games that Landry lost was for the right to play in Super Bowl I and ll. The Cowboy lost in the final seconds. Had they won, then that Super Bowl trophy could very well have been named the Landry.

Landry game his team all that could be given, he was just never a lucky man. The Cowboys have never won a close championship game, all five Super Bowl victories were by double digits, all five losses by 7 or fewer points.

Thanks. I did not need the history lesson. But it is interesting you insist on an analogy when quite frankly the playing fields were way different back in 1966. To get a berth in the championship, you ended up being what amounts to a top seed in a conference now.

I can tell you this: If the NFL were a 14 team league right now, Garrett would not even make the NFL Championship.

He is a master of the "close but I did something dumb along the way" game.

 

[cowboy_ron]

It saddens me that fans may look at this team and equate it to the Landry teams. It just says that we really don't know or understand what those teams were or what our history actually is.

I guess we have become used to what this team offers. That's unfortunate.

Different league, different worlds.....no way to compare them.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Have a link for this quote?

No, Idgit I don't. I know I've read that before and it stuck in my noggin. Was over a year ago, maybe 2, maybe more. Wished I'd saved it to refer back to but I only got active on some of the Cowboy message boards 2 or so years ago ... didn't know I'd need to be referencing that.

 

[JW82]

LOL! Yeah football is exactly the same as it was 58 years ago....

 

[Alexander]

Different league, different worlds.....no way to compare them.

100% true.

But don't stop someone for counting years and chastise the fan base for not buying in to what is being built here.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

100% true.

But don't stop someone for counting years and chastise the fan base for not buying in to what is being built here.

You had me until I got to "what is being built here". I guess my jade green glasses have blinded me to any construction.

 

[Big_D]

This is sad! Are we watching the same team? Did Garrett win a championship as a coordinator? Nope, never did anything. Coaches a team that simply can't handle pressure. Landry on the other hand was one of the most innovative football coaches in league history. You're comparing very different eras in football and very different circumstances. This current regime makes it tough to even hope for the best anymore.. Garrett stinks!!!!

 

[Idgit]

No, Idgit I don't. I know I've read that before and it stuck in my noggin. Was over a year ago, maybe 2, maybe more. Wished I'd saved it to refer back to but I only got active on some of the Cowboy message boards 2 or so years ago ... didn't know I'd need to be referencing that.

It isn’t needed. I just like to double check claims like those that I haven’t heard before. People have some crazy interpretations of what’s actually said some times and it’s hard to tell fact from interpretation without the direct quote.

 

[Scotman]

I watched both coaches. Here's the biggest difference...one I don't think anyone with any knowledge of them can dispute...Landry was the one pulling the strings. Players feared him. NO ONE wanted to disappoint Landry. You never wanted Landry to glare at you. Despite not ranting and raving up and down the sidelines, it was ALWAYS obvious when Landry was upset. Landry had a plan. He implemented a plan...and he adjusted as necessary. He was in complete control.

Garrett is not pulling the strings. The strings pull Garrett.

 

[plasticman]

Winning and losing was exactly the same as it was today and in 1967 nobody knew the Cowboys would have 20 consecutive winning seasons.

I am not comparing Garrett to Landry, I am comparing most of you to those in the mid 60's who wanted Landry fired. His playoff record at the time was exactly the same as Garrett's today right up to who they lost to and how.

The truth is, Garrett was one Dez catch and one Rodgers pass away from being "brilliant".

If Elliott had not been suspended then the Cowboys would have been in the playoffs again where anything could have happened and if you insist that Garrett would have blown it then it just makes you even more similar to those that wanted Landry gone.

I have touched on the hypocricy, many of you dislike being cornered by it so you are attempting to distract readers from recognizing this by falsely characterizing the nature of this debate.It didn't work. Those of you calling for Garrett's head would have wanted Landry fired within the same time frame as Garrett. None of you have really denied this..

 

[Captain-Crash]

Fire Jason Garrett? Then You Would Have Fired Tom Landry.... one is an innovator the other is clappavator... yep they're pretty much the exact same coaches ... I guess we would have to fire old Tom too.

"sarcasm"

 

[Stash]

Winning and losing was exactly the same as it was today and in 1967 nobody knew the Cowboys would have 20 consecutive winning seasons.

I am not comparing Garrett to Landry, I am comparing most of you to those in the mid 60's who wanted Landry fired. His playoff record at the time was exactly the same as Garrett's today right up to who they lost to and how.

The truth is, Garrett was one Dez catch and one Rodgers pass away from being "brilliant".

If Elliott had not been suspended then the Cowboys would have been in the playoffs again where anything could have happened and if you insist that Garrett would have blown it then it just makes you even more similar to those that wanted Landry gone.

I have touched on the hypocricy, many of you dislike being cornered by it so you are attempting to distract readers from recognizing this by falsely characterizing the nature of this debate.It didn't work. Those of you calling for Garrett's head would have wanted Landry fired within the same time frame as Garrett. None of you have really denied this..

I'll tell you what "didn't work", this epic failure of a thread.

Unless your ultimate goal was to destroy your own credibility. If so, then mission accomplished!

 

[Jarv]

What a ridiculous thread...Super bowl winning coach (twice), 20 consecutive winning seasons (1966-1985) and 18 seasons of playoff appearances. Then you have Garrett...lol

 

[Miller]

Winning and losing was exactly the same as it was today and in 1967 nobody knew the Cowboys would have 20 consecutive winning seasons.

I am not comparing Garrett to Landry, I am comparing most of you to those in the mid 60's who wanted Landry fired. His playoff record at the time was exactly the same as Garrett's today right up to who they lost to and how.

The truth is, Garrett was one Dez catch and one Rodgers pass away from being "brilliant".

If Elliott had not been suspended then the Cowboys would have been in the playoffs again where anything could have happened and if you insist that Garrett would have blown it then it just makes you even more similar to those that wanted Landry gone.

I have touched on the hypocricy, many of you dislike being cornered by it so you are attempting to distract readers from recognizing this by falsely characterizing the nature of this debate.It didn't work. Those of you calling for Garrett's head would have wanted Landry fired within the same time frame as Garrett. None of you have really denied this..

Please stop, it’s embarrassing!

Winning and losing was NOT the same. Not close. We are talking an expansion franchise with no immediate expectation vs a team with Pro Bowlers who was only a year removed from being one of the top teams and had a Romo and Ware in their prime. Have you ever been in an expansion city? I lived in Houston when the Texans came in. The cry of "we're an expansion team" lasted years. People gave the coaching staffs long leashes and though they wanted to win, they were patient. It's how it happens.

When Landry came in he was already known as an innovator and someone you could trust to teach and grow a franchise. JG had ZERO background or reputation except being a good guy. He came in as an ex player that Jerry was fascinated with. The franchise already had SB expectations. We live in a world with a league filled with parity, where greatness can switch year to year and yet we have nothing to show for this. Your EXCUSES....Dez catch, etc are just that. Every team can point to things that just fell the other way to stop their progress

I know you are trying to crawdad back into your hole and say that you weren't comparing the two but the reality is you are by intimating..."you would have fired Landry." The two situations are not the same and the men are not even close to the same.