First round pick still about limiting downside...

[NorthwestDallas40]

Your first round pick -- whether 4 or 24 -- should be about limiting downside, not necessarily swinging for the fences and missing (see Zack Martin vs. Johnny Manziel). Any good GM will agree. You lose your job when you miss on #1s. I like both Ramsey and Bosa, and would be fine with either, but they have downside that Zeke does not have. If Ramsey cannot play CB at the NFL level, a S at #4 just is not worth it. And if Bosa has some maturity and drug issues, we know how that goes (also, an interesting piece of trivia: both his dad and his uncle were drafted in the first round, and were out of the league after 3 years). So, I will not be upset if it's Zeke, who by all accounts has no holes, and you transform the offense in the same way Gurley transformed the Rams.

 

[fishspill]

Your first round pick -- whether 4 or 24 -- should be about limiting downside, not necessarily swinging for the fences and missing (see Zack Martin vs. Johnny Manziel). Any good GM will agree. You lose your job when you miss on #1s. I like both Ramsey and Bosa, and would be fine with either, but they have downside that Zeke does not have. If Ramsey cannot play CB at the NFL level, a S at #4 just is not worth it. And if Bosa has some maturity and drug issues, we know how that goes (also, an interesting piece of trivia: both his dad and his uncle were drafted in the first round, and were out of the league after 3 years). So, I will not be upset if it's Zeke, who by all accounts has no holes, and you transform the offense in the same way Gurley transformed the Rams.

Zeke isn't free of party or maturity issues either. I don't get why this is so quickly whitewashed for him but not other draft considerations.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Bosa and Elliot roomed together. Bosa had to move out because Zeke partied too much. Think about that.

Does anyone honestly believe that Zeke didn't smoke weed in his time at OSU? Honestly? Or is it just an easy talking point to discredit Bosa?

 

[ConceptCoop]

And Bosa's family making it to the league is a good thing - never mind how long they lasted.

And S isn't worth the pick, but RB is?! It get.

Oy vey.

 

[DFWJC]

Your first round pick -- whether 4 or 24 -- should be about limiting downside, not necessarily swinging for the fences and missing (see Zack Martin vs. Johnny Manziel). Any good GM will agree. You lose your job when you miss on #1s. I like both Ramsey and Bosa, and would be fine with either, but they have downside that Zeke does not have. If Ramsey cannot play CB at the NFL level, a S at #4 just is not worth it. And if Bosa has some maturity and drug issues, we know how that goes (also, an interesting piece of trivia: both his dad and his uncle were drafted in the first round, and were out of the league after 3 years). So, I will not be upset if it's Zeke, who by all accounts has no holes, and you transform the offense in the same way Gurley transformed the Rams.

Let's remember that the harder partier was Elliott, not Bosa. It's odd that he never gets mentioned.
I keep hearing about Bosa--who moved out from his buddy Elliott's house because of the hard partying--is some sort of druggie.
Not really fair given that since nearly a year ago he has supposedly been living the life of a hermit.

lol
Edit: just noticed several others are on to this too.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Your first round pick -- whether 4 or 24 -- should be about limiting downside, not necessarily swinging for the fences and missing (see Zack Martin vs. Johnny Manziel). Any good GM will agree. You lose your job when you miss on #1s. I like both Ramsey and Bosa, and would be fine with either, but they have downside that Zeke does not have. If Ramsey cannot play CB at the NFL level, a S at #4 just is not worth it. And if Bosa has some maturity and drug issues, we know how that goes (also, an interesting piece of trivia: both his dad and his uncle were drafted in the first round, and were out of the league after 3 years). So, I will not be upset if it's Zeke, who by all accounts has no holes, and you transform the offense in the same way Gurley transformed the Rams.

GMs agree that the first round pick "should be about limiting downside" BECAUSE "you lose your job when you miss on #1s", not because it's the right thing to do. The draft is a portfolio management problem: you want to balance high-risk high-reward opportunities with low-risk low-downside choices. Sometimes that means you take the "sure thing" in the first, sometimes you take the risk in the first.

And there are contradictions all over what you wrote. If the first round is about limiting downside, not upside, then how can you say "S at #4 just is not worth it"? And how is S at #4 not worth it but RB is?

If you think they should take Zeke, just come out and say it.

 

[Sydla]

GMs agree that the first round pick "should be about limiting downside" BECAUSE "you lose your job when you miss on #1s", not because it's the right thing to do. The draft is a portfolio management problem: you want to balance high-risk high-reward opportunities with low-risk low-downside choices. Sometimes that means you take the "sure thing" in the first, sometimes you take the risk in the first.

And there are contradictions all over what you wrote. If the first round is about limiting downside, not upside, then how can you say "S at #4 just is not worth it"? And how is S at #4 not worth it but RB is?

If you think they should take Zeke, just come out and say it.

So true. These attempts at cryptic posts for Elliott are getting hilarious.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Can someone please post the reliable source about the Elliott partying rumors? I'm not defending him, but the only source I saw was not a recognized media person, and I haven't seen one of them pick it up yet.

 

[Romotil45]

Can someone please post the reliable source about the Elliott partying rumors? I'm not defending him, but the only source I saw was not a recognized media person, and I haven't seen one of them pick it up yet.

They have all partied prob smoked some weed taken some molly but that doesn't mean they will have a problem moving forward.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

They have all partied prob smoked some weed taken some molly but that doesn't mean they will have a problem moving forward.

Yup. But only Bosa was suspended.

 

[Romotil45]

Yup. But only Bosa was suspended.

I can think of several guys that got suspended for breaking team rules that went on to have success. None of them are choir boys.

 

[Stash]

Your first round pick -- whether 4 or 24 -- should be about limiting downside, not necessarily swinging for the fences and missing (see Zack Martin vs. Johnny Manziel). Any good GM will agree. You lose your job when you miss on #1s. I like both Ramsey and Bosa, and would be fine with either, but they have downside that Zeke does not have. If Ramsey cannot play CB at the NFL level, a S at #4 just is not worth it. And if Bosa has some maturity and drug issues, we know how that goes (also, an interesting piece of trivia: both his dad and his uncle were drafted in the first round, and were out of the league after 3 years). So, I will not be upset if it's Zeke, who by all accounts has no holes, and you transform the offense in the same way Gurley transformed the Rams.

Funny that you'll try to poke holes in the prospect of drafting Tunsil, but you'll try to overlook any issues with Elliott.

Blinders on.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I can think of several guys that got suspended for breaking team rules that went on to have success. None of them are choir boys.

I agree. I was just responding to the posters saying there are rumors Elliott had a partying problem... he was never suspended, Bosa was.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Funny that you'll try to poke holes in the prospect of drafting Tunsil, but you'll try to overlook any issues with Elliott.

Blinders on.

I'd draft Tunsil in a heartbeat... but we cannot commit that many first rounders to a single unit. Just cannot do it with the cap.

 

[Gaede]

Let's remember that the harder partier was Elliott, not Bosa. It's odd that he never gets mentioned.
I keep hearing about Bosa--who moved out from his buddy Elliott's house because of the hard partying--is some sort of druggie.
Not really fair given that since nearly a year ago he has supposedly been living the life of a hermit.

lol
Edit: just noticed several others are on to this too.

Because there's no actual proof? There is literally no evidence ever of Zeke doing anything like that. Yet Bosa was suspended and refused to take a drug test--but oh, we'll take his word that it was all Zeke's fault.

 

[Stash]

I'd draft Tunsil in a heartbeat... but we cannot commit that many first rounders to a single unit. Just cannot do it with the cap.

You can do anything you want to do. When you're paying those offensive linemen in 2018 and beyond, you're not paying Tony Romo $20 million plus a year either.

You pay your best players, not any fixed position. When we're paying the big linemen salaries, you're playing a young quarterback on his rookie contract and you're not paying big money for a running back because you don't need to.

Again, if Tunsil is playing right tackle, you're paying him $4.5 million on his contract in 2017 vs the $6.5 million you're set to pay Doug Free. Based on position and contribution? That's a savings.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

You can do anything you want to do. When you're paying those offensive linemen in 2018 and beyond, you're not paying Tony Romo $20 million plus a year either.

You pay your best players, not any fixed position. When we're paying the big linemen salaries, you're playing a young quarterback on his rookie contract and you're not paying big money for a running back because you don't need to.

Again, if Tunsil is playing right tackle, you're paying him $4.5 million on his contract in 2017 vs the $6.5 million you're set to pay Doug Free. Based on position and contribution? That's a savings.

It's not about the money, it's about dedicating another #1 to the same unit, at the expense of other positions.

 

[Stash]

It's not about the money, it's about dedicating another #1 to the same unit, at the expense of other positions.

Don't talk about "other positions" when the fact of the matter is that you're fixated on one position, and one player - Elliott.

That's clear.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Don't talk about "other positions" when the fact of the matter is that you're fixated on one position, and one player - Elliott.

That's clear.

OP: "I like both Ramsey and Bosa, and would be fine with either, but they have downside that Zeke does not have." Clear, huh?

 

[Stash]

OP: "I like both Ramsey and Bosa, and would be fine with either, but they have downside that Zeke does not have." Clear, huh?

Crystal.

Here's your own quote. Where you poked holes in the others and settled on Elliott:

Your first round pick -- whether 4 or 24 -- should be about limiting downside, not necessarily swinging for the fences and missing (see Zack Martin vs. Johnny Manziel). Any good GM will agree. You lose your job when you miss on #1s. I like both Ramsey and Bosa, and would be fine with either, but they have downside that Zeke does not have. If Ramsey cannot play CB at the NFL level, a S at #4 just is not worth it. And if Bosa has some maturity and drug issues, we know how that goes (also, an interesting piece of trivia: both his dad and his uncle were drafted in the first round, and were out of the league after 3 years). So, I will not be upset if it's Zeke, who by all accounts has no holes, and you transform the offense in the same way Gurley transformed the Rams.