Flea Flicker variation

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Second and short, Barber and JJ lined up in the backfield. Handoff to Barber, JJ runs wide then heads up the field. Barber tosses back to Romo, who looks deep, then once the safeties are scrambling to get back deep he throws it to JJ who has open field ahead of him with the defense retreating.

Just thought this would be a thing of beauty! I was watching the re-run of the Boys/Pats game on NFLN and when Brady's flea flicker throw missed and I noticed how hard our safeties were digging to get back there, I wondered why you never see teams exploit the underneath zones on a flea flicker.
 

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I think that we have quite a few trick plays up our sleeve, we just never wanted to show them in the regular season

I love your idea, but my dream Cowboy trick play is a reverse pass using Crayton to hit TO or TG for the score.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;1858950 said:
I think that we have quite a few trick plays up our sleeve, we just never wanted to show them in the regular season

I love your idea, but my dream Cowboy trick play is a reverse pass using Crayton to hit TO or TG for the score.


Ya I think we have all been waiting for that one for a while.

I have given up hope on it though, unfortunately.
 
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Romo wont throw it deep because he doesnt have the arm. He would underthrow whoever unless they hesitate two seconds later in their route.

The underneath throw might work though...
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1859003 said:
Romo wont throw it deep because he doesnt have the arm.

He's no Brady Quinn that's for sure. Brady Quinn is the most awesome QB ever, and I hear he can throw it real deep-like, unlike noodle arm Tony Romo.
 
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Kilyin;1859038 said:
He's no Brady Quinn that's for sure. Brady Quinn is the most awesome QB ever, and I hear he can throw it real deep-like, unlike noodle arm Tony Romo.


Brady is the Truth your right and I still have man love for him... But Romo has exceeded my expectations and I am glad he is on my team ;) even though he has an average NFL arm at best. But he hides his arm strength with his super quick release.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1859159 said:
Brady is the Truth your right and I still have man love for him... But Romo has exceeded my expectations and I am glad he is on my team ;) even though he has an average NFL arm at best. But he hides his arm strength with his super quick release.


could you maybe site an example of a time romo has underthrown anyone?

you make him out to be chad pennington, when the thing is I remember him over throwing receivers more than under throwing them.

also, how could one hide arm strength with a quick release?

no matter how quickly i get the ball out of my arm its going 25 yards then dropping like a rock...
 

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as to the OP, the reason a flea flicker works is because the entire defense is pulled up because they think its a run so its easy for a receiver to get behind them. If they are all in closer to the line of scrimmage then why wouldn't JJ be covered? Also the QB generally doesn't have too much time to throw the ball because the defense is playing the run, so there isn't going to be enough time for your play to actually develop the way you described it.
 
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stealth;1859165 said:
could you maybe site an example of a time romo has underthrown anyone?

you make him out to be chad pennington, when the thing is I remember him over throwing receivers more than under throwing them.

also, how could one hide arm strength with a quick release?

no matter how quickly i get the ball out of my arm its going 25 yards then dropping like a rock...


I can recall him underthrowing T.O about 3 times this year. All deep balls, that T.O had a step on his defender that would have gone for TD's, underthrown, and some picked. I think I remember the 2nd Giants game TO underthrown and picked by Gibril Wilson. I cant site other specific games but anyone that has a better memory than me can remember what games they were.

I never said he was Pennington , just that he has an average NFL arm. Pennington would have a poor NFL arm. Romo has a good deep ball at 40-50 yards. Anything past 55 yards is hard to imagine. Not saying he hasn't, you just dont see it. And youi dont see the deep ball being called, because the coaches realize what he is working with. He CAN throw it with touch and accuracy. He does overthrow at times but for the most part, they are intermediate routes or routes within that 40-50 yard range. Because he gets the ball out so quick , it appears as if the ball is moving faster. The motion deceives the eye a bit. Or at least mine.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1859239 said:
I can recall him underthrowing T.O about 3 times this year. All deep balls, that T.O had a step on his defender that would have gone for TD's, underthrown, and some picked. I think I remember the 2nd Giants game TO underthrown and picked by Gibril Wilson. I cant site other specific games but anyone that has a better memory than me can remember what games they were.
I can recall Romo overthrowing TO on deep balls as well. An underthrown pass isn't necessarily underthrown because of arm strength. Just like an overthrown pass isn't necessarily overthrown because he's too strong.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1859239 said:
Romo has a good deep ball at 40-50 yards. Anything past 55 yards is hard to imagine.

Don't they win those QB challenges with like 65 yds.? That is with no pass-rush and a javelin style throw, 55 yds. doesn't sound so bad...
 

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JustSayNotoTO;1858950 said:
I think that we have quite a few trick plays up our sleeve, we just never wanted to show them in the regular season

I love your idea, but my dream Cowboy trick play is a reverse pass using Crayton to hit TO or TG for the score.

that would be awesome to use in the superbowl on our 45 score 13 pats- 21 cowboys then boom score to make it hard for them to come back.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;1858950 said:
I think that we have quite a few trick plays up our sleeve, we just never wanted to show them in the regular season

I love your idea, but my dream Cowboy trick play is a reverse pass using Crayton to hit TO or TG for the score.

Dude Crayton definitely has an arm. During TC, they were using him THROWING the ball as a simulation of a punt for the punt coverage team.

Now I don't know how accurate he is, but he can chunk it.
 
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theogt;1859249 said:
I can recall Romo overthrowing TO on deep balls as well. An underthrown pass isn't necessarily underthrown because of arm strength. Just like an overthrown pass isn't necessarily overthrown because he's too strong.


Well put.. but

the ones he overthrew him on, were thrown alot earlier. Im sure he knows his best shot is to get the ball out of his hands and down the field quickly or risk hanging one up there to be picked. Getting it out early allows TO to run to the ball. I'm sure any jam on the line of scrimmage by any corner or LB in space with cause a timing lapse.

Romo wont let himself be put in a situation where he knows he cant properly throw the deep ball if too much time has elapsed from snap to throw.
 

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stealth;1859169 said:
as to the OP, the reason a flea flicker works is because the entire defense is pulled up because they think its a run so its easy for a receiver to get behind them. If they are all in closer to the line of scrimmage then why wouldn't JJ be covered? Also the QB generally doesn't have too much time to throw the ball because the defense is playing the run, so there isn't going to be enough time for your play to actually develop the way you described it.

You're right, to some extent. But there is always an "Oh, Snap!" moment where the defense realizes it is a flea flicker and they just haul *** to get deep to try to cover up their mistake. If this leaves JJ one-on-one in the short- to mid-range zone, he will have lots of room to run after the catch. Shouldn't take any longer to develop than a standard flea flicker, it's just a matter of slipping a guy into a route while the defense over-reacts.
 

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a flea flicker to julius would be cool until he trips over the grass on field
 

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JustSayNotoTO;1858950 said:
I think that we have quite a few trick plays up our sleeve, we just never wanted to show them in the regular season

I love your idea, but my dream Cowboy trick play is a reverse pass using Crayton to hit TO or TG for the score.

we haven't showed any trick plays because we haven't needed to because our passing offense doesn't suck
 

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Bob Sacamano;1859623 said:
we haven't showed any trick plays because we haven't needed to because our passing offense doesn't suck

Wait a minute, I've seen Tom Terrific and the undefeated Patriots (who in case you haven't heard are on a "Path to Perfection") use gadget plays. Hell, they used a fake spike play against the Skins when they were up 17 to zip. Do you think their passing offense sucks?
 

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Kilyin;1859725 said:
Wait a minute, I've seen Tom Terrific and the undefeated Patriots (who in case you haven't heard are on a "Path to Perfection") use gadget plays. Hell, they used a fake spike play against the Skins when they were up 17 to zip. Do you think their passing offense sucks?
No, they're just douchebags
 
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