Florida jury awards $23 billion punitive damages against RJ Reynolds

CashMan

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Smoking is amazingly addictive. So very hard to stop. But it can be done. Not with nicotine gum, not with patches, not with hypnotism or whatever else you might think is an aid. They all can be of help as can Chantix. But it is nothing more or less than sheer willpower to stop, a mindset so firm that you will NOT be denied victory in stopping this habit.

If I can do it, anyone can. 27 years, 2.5 packs a day. Always said my last cigarette would be just before I keel over and die. And oh by the way, please bury me with a cigarette in my hand.

Then, four years ago, boom! Thought I had a heart attack. Rushed to ER in ambulance.

Then a few months later, again. That second time I was admitted for observation / tests. They discovered I was THISCLOSE to emphysema. "Don't stop now and you'll be wearing an oxygen mask in no time." I didn't believe them. The MINUTE I was out of the hospital, three cigarettes back to back to back. Same uneasy feelings hit me again, the same onset of symptons that sent me into the ER. Twice. I thought, "holy cow they're RIGHT!". Threw my pack away, and quit on the spot. On Sept. 10th, that will have been 4 years ago now. And not one cigarette since. I still dream about them though, still miss them. Still tempted. But never again.

Left with COPD. Spiriva daily inhaler for probably the rest of my life. But my lungs have recovered from 24% capacity back up to around 84% now.

And not once did I ever consider trying to sue Big Tobacco for billions or millions or thousands or anything due to my own stupidity for knowingly doing something so destructive to myself. Only myself to blame.

Smoking slowly destroys not only the lungs, but every organ in the body. It's pretty much the worst legal thing you can do to yourself.

/agreed


I watched my grandfather die of emphysema/heart attack because of it. My grandmother/his wife, stopped smoking when he died. My mother smokes/their daughter, and I am trying my hardest to get her to stop. Addicted is BIG, I see all of this, and it just reinforces not to smoke to me. I make no excuse for smokers, and I really do not have sympathy or empathy for them, I just try to learn from it, and not let addiction take over my life.
 

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Great story and appreciate the insight. As an ex smoker, would you feel differently if the Tobacco Co's had to pay restitution to the government (HHS) for contributing to the inflated medical costs they instigated? It seems a lot of the lack of empathy relates to some individual getting a pay day because they picked up a destructive habit instead of the bribery and fraud perpetuated on behalf of big backer that contributed to the insane medical expense of this product.

Hey, while we're at it, can we have all the fast food companies and donut makers and candy makers and soda makers etc all kick in for the health care expenses due to obesity?
 

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Hey, while we're at it, can we have all the fast food companies and donut makers and candy makers and soda makers etc all kick in for the health care expenses due to obesity?

Whatever floats your boat. I was asking if one's perspective would change on paying restitution which I guess is the bigger problem? Boot strap stuff?
 

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Wow ........ what a stupid judge.

I guess fat people will start suing fast food chains now and be able to get rich.
 

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Wow ........ what a stupid judge.

I guess fat people will start suing fast food chains now and be able to get rich.

That sounds silly but the direction we are going I don't think its that far away. Personal responsibility is becoming a thing of the past.
 

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Spot on

The 23 billion are coming from somewhere, it is not funny money

We all get to pay

Too excessive. This will either be sent back to the lower court or addressed directly. Since the estate has already received 15 million then they will likely send it back. NO WAY this stands. In fact the Judge should have warned the jury ahead of time although he may have. The 11th Circuit is bound by the previous decisions of the 5th.
 

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I don't like the fact that a company can manufacture a legal product and get sued when someone has negative health consequences from using that legal product.

Mark my words and mark them well: We are going to see the same thing with fast food companies being sued for ridiculous amounts of money. And those things reduce freedoms for us all.
 

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I don't like the fact that a company can manufacture a legal product and get sued when someone has negative health consequences from using that legal product.

Mark my words and mark them well: We are going to see the same thing with fast food companies being sued for ridiculous amounts of money. And those things reduce freedoms for us all.


true some fatty will sue saying he is 350lbs because of fast food, not that he shoved too much down his piehole and didn't exercise
 

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That sounds silly but the direction we are going I don't think its that far away. Personal responsibility is becoming a thing of the past.


It has already happened. McDonalds was sued by a fatty that claimed they were responsible for him going in every day and stuffing his face.
 

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A positive, though anecdotal and not specifically related to this lawsuit, is that the current generation of teens seem to have more of an aversion to smoking than my own generation (Xers). Not sure what to attribute this to, but smoking seems to have lost it's "cool factor".
 

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A positive, though anecdotal and not specifically related to this lawsuit, is that the current generation of teens seem to have more of an aversion to smoking than my own generation (Xers). Not sure what to attribute this to, but smoking seems to have lost it's "cool factor".

They still smoke...healthier substances;) I have noticed that as well and that is encouraging. Related to that younger perspective, on the show "Workaholics" they are all big party dudes but have a big 'No Smoking Tobacco' sign in their living room. Just thought of that relating to younger gens perspective.
 

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That sounds silly but the direction we are going I don't think its that far away. Personal responsibility is becoming a thing of the past.

Yes. Why be responsible for yourself when you can hire a lawyer to sue someone or instution for your shortcommings.

Right now I am in discussion with the Texas Hammer to sue all the mods here as this bulleting board is addictive.
 

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Yes. Why be responsible for yourself when you can hire a lawyer to sue someone or instution for your shortcommings.

Right now I am in discussion with the Texas Hammer to sue all the mods here as this bulleting board is addictive.

I quit smoking after 20+ years...you can quit message boards. Wait...What?!?! ;):p
 

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23 billion to two people?

Especially over something that the victim had no self control over?

Ridiculous.

Hopefully it's overturned in appeals.
 

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I don't like the fact that a company can manufacture a legal product and get sued when someone has negative health consequences from using that legal product.

Mark my words and mark them well: We are going to see the same thing with fast food companies being sued for ridiculous amounts of money. And those things reduce freedoms for us all.
This is a totally fair and very understandable position. What is getting lost in this discussion is the history behind how tobacco companies have came to this "new" position of personal responsibility. They lied to congress and other investigative instances (successfully for decades) regarding the proof behind nicotine being an addictive substance. Once proof was revealed that they had internal studies/knowledge proving their awareness, they were legally able to change the burden back to the user and avoid paying any legal restitution in the process. They were able to skate on paying any restitution for this fraud/obstruction of justice that accumulates HEAVILY to the inflated GDP as a result of the medical costs accrued from t heir product. They have a hand in the national debt relating to medical costs that have ballooned the GDP to unsustainable levels with the assistance of medicare/insurance. The issue is more than simple personal responsibility.
 
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Longboysfan

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I don't like the fact that a company can manufacture a legal product and get sued when someone has negative health consequences from using that legal product.

Mark my words and mark them well: We are going to see the same thing with fast food companies being sued for ridiculous amounts of money. And those things reduce freedoms for us all.

Or drive up the cost of my Triple mack, bucket of fries and the 3 cokes.
 

Longboysfan

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This is a totally fair and very understandable position. What is getting lost in this discussion is the history behind how tobacco companies have came to this "new" position of personal responsibility. They lied to congress and other investigative instances (successfully for decades) regarding the proof behind nicotine being an addictive substance. Once proof was revealed that they had internal studies/knowledge proving their awareness, they were legally able to change the burden back to the user and avoid paying any legal restitution in the process. They were able to skate on paying any restitution for this fraud/obstruction of justice that accumulates HEAVILY to the inflated GDP as a result of the medical costs accrued from t heir product. They have a hand in the national debt relating to medical costs that have ballooned the GDP to unsustainable levels with the assistance of medicare/insurance. The issue is more than simple personal responsibility.
Well after our Government found out - they should have banned the product.
 

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Well after our Government found out - they should have banned the product.

I would like government to allow us to put any poison into our body as we see fit as the founding fathers would also agree. I agree though, it would be impossible for such a product to bypass any DEA standards and why the "influence" of big backer is still heavily prevalent in DC. We can see in this discussion, "Big Brother" doesn't need any help when common citizens will do its bidding for them...
 

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Yes. Why be responsible for yourself when you can hire a lawyer to sue someone or instution for your shortcommings.

Right now I am in discussion with the Texas Hammer to sue all the mods here as this bulleting board is addictive.

All you had to do was ask for help. There are plenty of people on this board that would have helped you quit this board.:D
 
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