Floyd Mayweather To Fight Miguel Cotto

[RoyTheHammer]

maybe, maybe not.

There's a way to get a definite answer.. not just maybe.

He refuses to submit to the solution.. that's all the proof i need.

He could clear himself so easily by just submitting to the random drug testing olympic standard.. yet he refuses to ever do it.

 

[BigWillie]

There's a way to get a definite answer.. not just maybe.

He refuses to submit to the solution.. that's all the proof i need.

He could clear himself so easily by just submitting to the random drug testing olympic standard.. yet he refuses to ever do it.

Simple question - on what basis do you believe Manny is a user of any PEDs?

Making baseless accusations isn't a good way to start. Especially considering talking about 'Olympic style testing', when Floyd himself has never agreed to do this. Even when he fought Mosley, right when this whole mess about testing became a huge deal, Floyd was only tested 2+ weeks out from the fight.

Some real stringent testing there. :laugh2:

Heck, Manny should make one demand just to call Floyd's bluff about really wanting to clean the sport up. Make a simple demand that Floyd not be allowed to use Xylocaine at any point in his camp. PEDs are PEDs. If not, I'm sure Manny can go become a diabetic to take some insulin or claim he has one testicle to take some TRT. Both of which are legal as well.

Fact is, Manny agreed to testing, just no blood on the week of the fight. But again, Manny recently relented and agreed to all testing, blood and urine, as often as needed, except on the day of the fight. Blood draw would still happen after the fight, of course.

But now, it's about money. It was about testing. Then Floyd's camp couldn't deal with Arum. Then Floyd didn't want Manny training in the Philippines. Then Floyd would only fight on May 5th. Now it's about money.

One simple question - Manny has relented on testing. Manny has pushed Arum aside and allowed Floyd to deal with Koncz instead. Manny agreed to fight in Vegas. Manny agreed to May 5th. Now he needs to budge on money too when he has budged on every other demand to make this fight happen? Does Manny need to agree to only fight orthodox in this fight too just to make it happen?

C'mon man, be real. What else can anyone really expect Manny to relent on to make the fight happen ATP?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Simple question - on what basis do you believe Manny is a user of any PEDs?

Making baseless accusations isn't a good way to start. Especially considering talking about 'Olympic style testing', when Floyd himself has never agreed to do this. Even when he fought Mosley, right when this whole mess about testing became a huge deal, Floyd was only tested 2+ weeks out from the fight.

Floyd is the one who is promoting the Olympic standard drug testing and he and Mosley both agreed to it before their fight. When the tests occured are not up to him or Mosely, as they are "random".. if you know what that means.

Floyd is the one asking to use this type of testing, as they did in that fight and as he wants in his fight with Pacquiao.. so yes, he's agreed to do it before and wants to do it again.

Lawyered.


Also, ive made pretty clear on what base i believe Pac is a steriod user. The simple fact that he continues to refuse the Olympic standard random tests. If you want to keep the wool over your eyes and think there's a logical reason for that, be my guest.. i think its pretty clear why he would continue to be so opposed to such testing.

 

[Kangaroo]

This stuff is why the UFC is slowly gaining a foothold over boxing. It is not there yet and it will be years before it happens; but all the young kids that are growing up now no longer talk boxing or watch boxing. I know I work with young kids weekly as a boyscout leader when they talk now it is all about MMA and the UFC . The fan base is eroding away slowly but surely it is not there yet but it is coming and UFC is poised to kill boxing with the next generation of young adults. Heck even a lot of the people my age are starting to get in to UFC and now they are on FOX I think they have a chance to get bigger.

Just my two cents on the subject.

I know I gave up on boxing about 10 years ago

 

[Shadowy329]

This stuff is why the UFC is slowly gaining a foothold over boxing. It is not there yet and it will be years before it happens; but all the young kids that are growing up now no longer talk boxing or watch boxing. I know I work with young kids weekly as a boyscout leader when they talk now it is all about MMA and the UFC . The fan base is eroding away slowly but surely it is not there yet but it is coming and UFC is poised to kill boxing with the next generation of young adults. Heck even a lot of the people my age are starting to get in to UFC and now they are on FOX I think they have a chance to get bigger.

Just my two cents on the subject.

I know I gave up on boxing about 10 years ago

This is 100% correct as soon as the ufc get cleared to hold events in thelast few places on their list boxing will take a huge hit. I used to love boxing and watching it with friends now I haven't watched a fight in years and don't know anyone that is a legit fan and not just a here and there "that fight sounds intereting" fan.

Meanwhile friends that were into boxing could give you the life story of some of the UFC fighters.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

We're never going to see a Manny vs. Mayweather fight.

They're both going to continue to come up with one reason, or another, to duck one another. It's never going to happen.

Boxing has long been a joke.

 

[03EBZ06]

Paquia's camp wanted to fight on May 25th for larger purse, so why couldn't Mayweather fight on 25th? Why is he so fixated on May 5th?

I don't think either camp is trying hard enough to meet in the middle to fight each other, imo.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

This stuff is why the UFC is slowly gaining a foothold over boxing. It is not there yet and it will be years before it happens; but all the young kids that are growing up now no longer talk boxing or watch boxing. I know I work with young kids weekly as a boyscout leader when they talk now it is all about MMA and the UFC . The fan base is eroding away slowly but surely it is not there yet but it is coming and UFC is poised to kill boxing with the next generation of young adults. Heck even a lot of the people my age are starting to get in to UFC and now they are on FOX I think they have a chance to get bigger.

Just my two cents on the subject.

I know I gave up on boxing about 10 years ago

UFC is just as bad. Look at how they completely wasted a potential Brock Lesnar-Fedor match. Now you'd have to pay people to watch it. Same thing is going to happen with Mayweather-Pacquiao.

 

[BigWillie]

Floyd is the one who is promoting the Olympic standard drug testing and he and Mosley both agreed to it before their fight. When the tests occured are not up to him or Mosely, as they are "random".. if you know what that means.

Floyd is the one asking to use this type of testing, as they did in that fight and as he wants in his fight with Pacquiao.. so yes, he's agreed to do it before and wants to do it again.

Lawyered.

Also, ive made pretty clear on what base i believe Pac is a steriod user. The simple fact that he continues to refuse the Olympic standard random tests. If you want to keep the wool over your eyes and think there's a logical reason for that, be my guest.. i think its pretty clear why he would continue to be so opposed to such testing.

Tests are not 'random', as you put it. Well known fact that USADA tests on a schedule in which they think athletes may be more prone to using a certain substance. Athletes are even aware of their window in which they will be tested. To call them 'random', is simply not true.

Further, do you understand the basic concepts of what happens to the body when you are deprived of water, then begin to bleed/give blood? Just askin' ..

Lastly, Manny has agreed to any and all testing as often as is needed. So you even bringing this up as an issue is pointless, to say the least. Just another thing to hold onto I guess in trying to believe Manny is running.

And about my questions to you .. answers?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Tests are not 'random', as you put it. Well known fact that USADA tests on a schedule in which they think athletes may be more prone to using a certain substance. Athletes are even aware of their window in which they will be tested. To call them 'random', is simply not true.

Further, do you understand the basic concepts of what happens to the body when you are deprived of water, then begin to bleed/give blood? Just askin' ..

Lastly, Manny has agreed to any and all testing as often as is needed. So you even bringing this up as an issue is pointless, to say the least. Just another thing to hold onto I guess in trying to believe Manny is running.

And about my questions to you .. answers?

Manny has not ever agreed to the Olympic standard of testing that Floyd has proposed and has held himself and his opponents to recently.. and unless you can show me where Pac agreed to that somewhere, there's really no point in talking about it anymore.

 

[BigWillie]

Manny has not ever agreed to the Olympic standard of testing that Floyd has proposed and has held himself and his opponents to recently.. and unless you can show me where Pac agreed to that somewhere, there's really no point in talking about it anymore.

February 1st interview with Michael Koncz ..

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=49159#ixzz1lBweCC79

BoxingScene.com: What is your reaction to the comments from Mayweather?

Koncz: I have a commitment to Floyd to keep our negotiations out of the media. However, in light of his absurd and unwarranted comments directed towards Manny, I feel compelled to respond.

When I first met with Floyd, at his gym, that was at the instruction of Manny - to reach out to Floyd and see if he’s serious about this fight. Because in the past, we've tried to make this fight three times. Twice with the two promoters involved and once with intermediate people involved. Me and Manny believe this fight was never made for a couple of reasons, because it was being negotiated in the media. And I believed that maybe Floyd wasn’t getting the facts as they were being presented to his people. So I reached out to him. When I went into the gym, per Manny's instruction, I asked him point blank if he wanted the fight because we were interested and I didn’t want to play games. He said 'yes.'

Then I informed him that we were okay with the blood testing. We were okay with the blood testing every day, except the day of the fight and then we chatted just general conversation and that was just the extent of our negotiations. I also told him that we should keep this out of the media, and we're doing like you said a few months ago in the media, that Manny needs to be his own boss, and that’s why he has sent me here as his representative.

January 13th interview with Floyd Mayweather ..

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11547.html

FM: Man, this fight is already sold, you know? The fight is already sold. All he gotta do is sign on the dotted line. I'm ready. He said he's ready to take the random blood and urine tests. I mean, his manager, what's his name?

BT: Michael Koncz?

FM: Yeah, Michael Koncz said he agreed to doing it. Like I said before, Floyd Mayweather don't want to fight nobody but one person. I don't want to fight nobody else but him. Nobody! I want him. I don't want to fight Cotto. Not Canelo. And I ain't looking to fight Marquez a second time. Nobody! I want him! I only want one person, Pacquiao!

Again, why you even harp on testing as an issue makes no sense. The only reason, according to Floyd, that this fight is not happening now is money. Manny only wants 50/50, while Floyd doesn't think Manny deserves 50/50.

 

[juck]

I hope Cotto beats his behind and he goes to prison with his tail between his legs. This guy is the epitomy of whats wrong with sports.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

February 1st interview with Michael Koncz ..

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=49159#ixzz1lBweCC79



January 13th interview with Floyd Mayweather ..

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11547.html



Again, why you even harp on testing as an issue makes no sense. The only reason, according to Floyd, that this fight is not happening now is money. Manny only wants 50/50, while Floyd doesn't think Manny deserves 50/50.

So Mayweather states "he wants the fight", but his camp pushes a split that they know without a doubt that Manny will not accept. Manny states that "he wants the fight", but his camp then proposes a new venue.

Honestly, it seems like both fighters are ducking to me. At this point, only a homer for either fighter would point the finger solely at one side.

 

[Kangaroo]

UFC is just as bad. Look at how they completely wasted a potential Brock Lesnar-Fedor match. Now you'd have to pay people to watch it. Same thing is going to happen with Mayweather-Pacquiao.

This is where you are wrong it was one fight and one fighter was a non UFC fighter one fighter was UFC the other was a competing Affliction at the time. They where in direct competition of each other. The best thing to happen to MMA is to have a top dog where they do not have the boxing where they have way to many splinters that carry the same weight.

If both fighters have been UFC the fight happens that is why MMA is gaining ground on boxing.

 

[JonJon]

I hope Cotto beats his behind and he goes to prison with his tail between his legs. This guy is the epitomy of whats wrong with sports.

And what exactly is that?

 

[BigWillie]

So Mayweather states "he wants the fight", but his camp pushes a split that they know without a doubt that Manny will not accept. Manny states that "he wants the fight", but his camp then proposes a new venue.

Was true about a month ago.

Manny wanted to fight later in the same month, at an outside venue, which was still going to be in Vegas. Manny and his promoters pointed out the venue would have pulled in more money for both fighters. Venue would have taken a few extra weeks to build, which was the reason for the delay.

Floyd rejected the idea, only wanting to fight on the 5th.

Eventually Manny budged, again, and agreed to fighting on May 5th in the venue Floyd wanted.

Then it came down to money. Floyd wanted the bigger guaranteed split. Manny offered 50/50. Manny did budge, but countered with a 55/45 split, with 55% going to the winner of the fight. Basically, it told Floyd that if he were as confident as he acts about the fight, he would end up with the higher split of revenue, which he has demanded.

But again, Floyd rejected that proposal.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

February 1st interview with Michael Koncz ..

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=49159#ixzz1lBweCC79



January 13th interview with Floyd Mayweather ..

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11547.html



Again, why you even harp on testing as an issue makes no sense. The only reason, according to Floyd, that this fight is not happening now is money. Manny only wants 50/50, while Floyd doesn't think Manny deserves 50/50.

Uh huh.. so Manny's promoter is saying one thing and Floyd is saying another.

You don't say?

 

[BigWillie]

Uh huh.. so Manny's promoter is saying one thing and Floyd is saying another.

You don't say?

What?

Manny's promoter is Bob Arum. Michael Koncz is the adviser to Manny, and IIRC, runs Manny's company MP Promotions.

Koncz negotiated directly with Floyd, visiting him on two different occasions and talking to him by phone. Koncz relayed that the blood tests would be no issue. Floyd admitted so himself, as anyone can clearly see.

So what in the world are you talking about?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

What?

Manny's promoter is Bob Arum. Michael Koncz is the adviser to Manny, and IIRC, runs Manny's company MP Promotions.

Koncz negotiated directly with Floyd, visiting him on two different occasions and talking to him by phone. Koncz relayed that the blood tests would be no issue. Floyd admitted so himself, as anyone can clearly see.

So what in the world are you talking about?

If the blood tests were really no issue, they would've fought by now. He won't train in the US up until the last week or couple weeks of his training, so he wouldn't be subjected to the type of testing that Floyd wants. He doesn't want to agree to the date picked, he wants a different venue, etc, etc..

 

[BigWillie]

If the blood tests were really no issue, they would've fought by now. He won't train in the US up until the last week or couple weeks of his training, so he wouldn't be subjected to the type of testing that Floyd wants. He doesn't want to agree to the date picked, he wants a different venue, etc, etc..

Are you even being serious, ATP?

Everyone has said blood tests are not an issue now, with the exception of you. The ONLY issue keeping this fight from happening is money, as Floyd himself said he wants more than 50/50 before this fight can happen.

But I guess you can believe whatever you want to believe, even though Floyd Mayweather himself says Manny has agreed to the tests. :laugh2: