Floyd vs Fred : BPA vs Need

[DBOY3141]

Hot topic to beat to death some more. This draft will go back to most folks as should we have stayed put and taken Floyd because he was rated higher on our board. Did we take BPA or take need?

It's obvious we took need, but let's look at this.

Eagles - was Johnson rated higher than Floyd. Most mediots say no. You could argue that the Eagles who have a worst defense than offense and are switching to a 3-4, could have used Floyd more than Johnson. Did they draft need or BPA?

Oakland - I'm sure Floyd was rated higher than Hayden. Need or BPA?

49ers - Floyd over Reid. Did they draft for need or BPA?

Giants - I'm sure Floyed was rated higher than Pugh. Giants defense was terrible last year and lost Canty in FA. They could have used a DT and got one later, but not one near as good as Floyd. BPA or Need?

That's just 4 teams, but I'm sure most teams in the first round had Floyd over their draft pick, but like the Cowboys they took need or BPA. After the 1st round, I think it was obvious the Cowboys stuck to their board and took BPA.

3 years from now we will see who in the league was right and who was wrong. But for everyone to say the Cowboys screwed up because they took need over BPA, need to criticize the other NFL teams just as bad for doing the same thing and I don't see that happening too much.

 

[Future]

The thing with Floyd is that most people think DT is a need on this team as well. That's why moving back stings so bad.

 

[DFWJC]

Just to clear it up for Dallas:

It's Floyd vs Frederick and T Williams.
Big difference.

And yes, Pugh at 19 is far worse than the Fredercik and T Williams at 31 and 74.

I'm not sure Floyd was fit at NT for SF.

I do think Dion Jordan was ranked higher for Philly than Floyd.

Can't speak for Oakland, but they loved Hayden more than any team.

 

[CATCH17]

Just to clear it up:

It's Floyd vs Frederick and T Williams.
Big difference.

I think it's Floyd & Frederick vs Frederick & Escobar

I think we get Frederick in the 2nd round regardless.

 

[DFWJC]

I think it's Floyd & Frederick vs Frederick & Escobar

I think we get Frederick in the 2nd round regardless.

It could have ahppened that way...we'll never know. I tend to think it wuld have.

But that's another story altogether, as it's theory vs what actually took place.

And yes, if Floyd is there at 18, I'm all over it.

If they wanted Freddy at 47 and he was gone, a trade down to get extra 3s and 4s would be fine in theis draft. Grab Schwenke later and much more.

But Freddy and T Willaims is not too bad.

 

[DBOY3141]

Just to clear it up for Dallas:

It's Floyd vs Frederick and T Williams.
Big difference.

And yes, Pugh at 19 is far worse than the Fredercik and T Williams at 31 and 74.

I'm not sure Floyd was fit at NT for SF.

I do think Dion Jordan was ranked higher for Philly than Floyd.

Can't speak for Oakland, but they loved Hayden more than any team.

I agree. Point I was trying to make was, folks keep saying you should always take BPA over Need and I think if you look at each team. Most did not do that. I used Floyd as an example because everyone was saying he was a top 10 player and fell to 20 something.

All teams reach for need and skip BPA, seems the spotlight is brighter on Dallas and I got it, the last 17 years have sucked and we have to live with that, it just gets old hearing it every draft and other teams don't take the same heat for doing the exact same thing.

 

[Jenky]

Floyd was a need AND rated higher by us on our boards.

BPA + need = no brainer.

I didn't get to watch the war room feed, but how pissed was Garrett when the trade happened?

 

[xwalker]

Hot topic to beat to death some more. This draft will go back to most folks as should we have stayed put and taken Floyd because he was rated higher on our board. Did we take BPA or take need?

It's obvious we took need, but let's look at this.

Eagles - was Johnson rated higher than Floyd. Most mediots say no. You could argue that the Eagles who have a worst defense than offense and are switching to a 3-4, could have used Floyd more than Johnson. Did they draft need or BPA?

Oakland - I'm sure Floyd was rated higher than Hayden. Need or BPA?

49ers - Floyd over Reid. Did they draft for need or BPA?

Giants - I'm sure Floyed was rated higher than Pugh. Giants defense was terrible last year and lost Canty in FA. They could have used a DT and got one later, but not one near as good as Floyd. BPA or Need?

That's just 4 teams, but I'm sure most teams in the first round had Floyd over their draft pick, but like the Cowboys they took need or BPA. After the 1st round, I think it was obvious the Cowboys stuck to their board and took BPA.

3 years from now we will see who in the league was right and who was wrong. But for everyone to say the Cowboys screwed up because they took need over BPA, need to criticize the other NFL teams just as bad for doing the same thing and I don't see that happening too much.

Did you read the article before the draft where an NFL scout said that Floyd was a "media creation" and that none of the scouts that he knew had Floyd as a top 20 type player?

 

[DFWJC]

Did you read the article before the draft where an NFL scout said that Floyd was a "media creation" and that none of the scouts that he knew had Floyd as a top 20 type player?

They also said Pugh was a media creation....then he got picked 19th. Btw, that was reach,imo.

McShay said today that he polled a few teams who even had Floyd #1 overall.
He said most teams had him in the top 10. A few did not.
If you look at how the draft fell, although his drop seemed odd, it was not completely crazy.

I'm pretty sure he was by far BPA when Dallas was picking.
Their logic was that the value of what they get at 31 + 74 was as good as Floyd. We'll see, but that was their logic.

We for sure know the Jets had him ranked lower than Sheldon Richardson.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think it's Floyd & Frederick vs Frederick & Escobar

I think we get Frederick in the 2nd round regardless.

Maybe we get him in the 2nd rd. I think given all the OL players taken the Cowboys felt that 31st pick was worth it to them to get him vs losing him. We could play the draft value game but in the end if we do not pick up the guy we like and want because of what some critic may say then you lose out on the player you want.

I agree with many that Fredrick was a bit of a reach but if he can produce as the Cowboys feel he can then it is worth the reach.

I noticed a lot of teams taking guys earlier than the players so called projected selection slot.

 

[Death Star]

I think it's Floyd & Frederick vs Frederick & Escobar

I think we get Frederick in the 2nd round regardless.

NFL_Draft_Insider‏@NFLDraftBites
#Cowboys View Frederick as 'Foundational Player". Concerned he would not get through #Ravens & #Lions sitting 32 & 36.

 

[justbob]

We got him two slots out of the second round. Him being in the first gives a 5 year contract instead of four......Worth it ... And a receiver. But mainly a big mean ugly to stop the middle from being showed straight into Tony's face

 

[blindzebra]

Will this ever stop?

Floyd does not fit our scheme. We need playmakers at DT in Kiffin's 4-3 not a guy with 4 sacks in college.

 

[DBOY3141]

Did you read the article before the draft where an NFL scout said that Floyd was a "media creation" and that none of the scouts that he knew had Floyd as a top 20 type player?

No I didn't. Pretty interesting then and I wonder if it's true that the Cowboys had him at #7 as some have said.

thanks

 

[alpha]

I think it's Floyd & Frederick vs Frederick & Escobar

I think we get Frederick in the 2nd round regardless.

Not impossible, but not the most reasonable assumption. Consider 5 of the top-10 picks were OL, Fluker goes #11 overall and both Pugh AND Long hear their names called by pick #20.

Frederick at #47 seemed much more reasonable before the early and often over-drafting of OL on day one. Slim chance the equivalent of the next best OL lasts 27 more picks after 8 come off the board in the first 20.

 

[DFWJC]

Will this ever stop?

Floyd does not fit our scheme. We need playmakers at DT in Kiffin's 4-3 not a guy with 4 sacks in college.

I'm okay with what we got.
But I disagee that a 20 year old, big, powerful, talented, athletic DT does not fit Kiffin's scheme. They had him rated top 10 at the very worst. They just chose to get 2 for 1 and lock up a Olineman in the process.

If they would have done what the Giants did at 19, I think we wuld have more reason to complain. The reached for a lineman and did not get a 3rd round pick for their troubles.

 

[tm1119]

Will this ever stop?

Floyd does not fit our scheme. We need playmakers at DT in Kiffin's 4-3 not a guy with 4 sacks in college.

You've never watched Shariff Floyd play if you don't think he fits our system. He's got everything you could possibly want in a pass rushing DT in terms of size and athletic ability. Yes hes rough around the edges and needs to develop some better pass rush moves, but what do you expect from a 20 year old? Watch the game tape and you will see he was in the backfield plenty, even if it didn't result in sacks. And not to mention he played a lot of DE at Florida, not too many 300 lb guys are going to generate many sacks rushing from the edge.

Floyd was a no brainer pick in my opinion and think it could really haunt us for a while. At this point I'm over it and won't dwell on it too much because I do like Frederick and think he will improve our team though.

 

[xwalker]

I'm okay with what we got.
But I disagee that a 20 year old, big, powerful, talented, athletic DT does not fit Kiffin's scheme. They had him rated top 10 at the very worst. They just chose to get 2 for 1 and lock up a Olineman in the process.

If they would have done what the Giants did at 19, I think we wuld have more reason to complain. The reached for a lineman and did not get a 3rd round pick for their troubles.

Kiffin wants pass rushers across the DLine. I think Floyd had about 4 sacks in college.

 

[DFWJC]

Kiffin wants pass rushers across the DLine. I think Floyd had about 4 sacks in college.

Anyway, as an analyst, you should know this guy has huge upside.
Kiffin wants disrupters. Floyd will be that. The guy will only be 21 all of next season
Also, you know that Kiffin likes flexibilty on the Dline and certainly Floyd can move from DT2 to DT1 when needed.

He will get plenty of sacks in the NFL, though it is mostly more in the DEs job description.


In the end, Frederick and T williams will be fine. Dallas can hopefully look to add dline depth next year.

 

[tm1119]

Kiffin wants pass rushers across the DLine. I think Floyd had about 4 sacks in college.

Sheldon Richardson had 6.5 in the same time span. Is he not a pass rushing DT?