For the people who ripped Newman on Sunday

[playmakers]

I think you guys should realize that this defense is different from Mike Zimmer's. In Wade's D it is not designed for a shutdown db. For example, most of the time our dbs play 10-13 yards off the reciever. Ok, now you can run slants, outs, comebacks, and wide reciever screens all day. The idea is for the linebacker to fill that underneath area and prevent the slant or make a quick tackle. In addition, Wade has stated on many occansions he wants the play in front of them. It has worked this season too. We have given up (to my knowledge] only one deep pass in 6 games. Thats a major improvement over the past 3 seasons. Now to think of it I guess you would consider Stallworths td a long pass. So two touchdowns. Still a major improvement from last season. Zimmer defense for Newman was to get him up in the recievers face and go mono e mono. Personally, I think this suits him better but we are a team and the concept is more important. Moss did beat him on slants in the 4th quarter. If you rewatch the game your notice hes not getting very good push or strength from his legs and Moss just threw him. Hes hurt but playing through it.

Not only is Newman's play similar to other db's around the league but its becoming a theme. Did anyone see the Indy-Denver game 2 weeks ago? Champ Bailey was in similar situations playing 10-13 yards off and also got beat three times in a row by tight end Dallas Clark. One of those plays was for about 25 yards. Did anyone watch DeAngelo Hall last night? The self proclaimed best db in the league[his MNF intro?) He was getting beat left and right.


What Im saying is more than half the time hes getting beat is because of the design of the coverage. Hes still a really good corner who tackles well. Hes just not healthy and were not use to the new defensive strageties. THe strageties has created more turnovers though. I think Wade baits the QB by letting up the 8 yard comebacks over and over and then sends the db loose to jump it on a few plays with help from safties (example Newmans pick.) There is no suprise why Henery was leading the league in picks too before he was injured. THis style really suits his game. Hes not a mono e mono cover guy. Hes needs to play off to and use his instincts. I beileve this is what Cleveland ran when he lead the league in INTs.


In closing, all I have to say is get used to it. THats the philosphy of our coaching staff. All I ask is this, before you rip the guy look around the league at other top notch corners and notice the similarties. Bailey is good but a tad overrated. Hall is majorily overrated. The best dbs in the league are guys that fly under the radar like Al Harris, Rashon Mathis, and the guy were going against this week Wingfield. Newman is not Superman by no means but hes in that group.

 

[AdamJT13]

Why would anyone have been ripping on Newman? Other than a couple of slants, the only thing he was allowing was stuff underneath his zone.

 

[Hoofbite]

Why would anyone have been ripping on Newman? Other than a couple of slants, the only thing he was allowing was stuff underneath his zone.

Kind of what I was thinking. I guess some might try to pin Moss' TD on him but thats as much Hamlin as it is Newman.

I thought Newman play a solid game. Tackled well, forced a fumble that unfortunately popped right back to welker and played with emotion.

I had no problems with his game.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Who ripped Tnew? I haven't seen it.

 

[superpunk]

There's no room for Newman ripping.

Not until we get rid of Roy Williams...hboy: Yesssssssss.....bisssssscuitsssssss...

 

[dbair1967]

Who ripped Tnew? I haven't seen it.

it was here, a couple different threads I think

it was by people who are obviously dumb as turnips

David

 

[dmq]

Newman is the least of our worries.

 

[acis516]

my argument regarding TNew is that he is obviously not healthy yet. When he picked off Edwards, a healthy Newman would not of been caught up from behind by Lee Evans.

As for the LBers I was getting frustrated watching Ellis go from LOLB to the center of field playing zone. Adam will be able to tell you for sure, but I know Welker 1st TD came running across Ellis while he was still trying to be in position. The same happened on Moss's TD, but it was Ware coming from ROLB to the left center of the field

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I remember in 2004 when he had his (for him) bad year, some people would rip him when a receiver caught a ball literally 15 yards from him, clearly in someone else's zone. If he was in the picture, he allowed it and he sucked.

Some people just don't get it, and never will.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why would anyone have been ripping on Newman? Other than a couple of slants, the only thing he was allowing was stuff underneath his zone.

Because for most folks you either completely shut down the opponent or you suck

 

[Mavs Man]

I love how Newman is money on nearly all of his tackles. It ain't always sexy but they almost always go down.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This thead =

 

[cachetazo]

There's no room for Newman ripping.

Not until we get rid of Roy Williams...hboy: Yesssssssss.....bisssssscuitsssssss...

you've got that right

 

[dbair1967]

Because for most folks you either completely shut down the opponent or you suck

well with Newman they take it to another level...since he does shut down his guy on a weekly basis that isnt good enough either, he must intercept 2 passes a week or he sux...

even though he is rarely thrown at, because he is really good...but he should create ints anyway

David

 

[YosemiteSam]

The only reason I have to rip Newman is he should have intercepted all five of Brady's TD passes. IF he had done that we would have won the game!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

We have given up (to my knowledge] only one deep pass in 6 games.

I dont recall if we had only given up one TD prior to the Pats game. If it is only one then you are refering to the Giants game with Plax.

The Teams in between the Giants and Pats were not real deep threats.

If the timing was right for the Pats how many deep passes would they have completed. Two to Moss that didnt happen BUT COULD have. We were beat.
This IS a problem.

Any one know how many prior to Pats game?

and then how many in the Pats game?

We cant let receivers get behind our defense. We will get slaughtered

 

[dbair1967]

I dont recall if we had only given up one TD prior to the Pats game. If it is only one then you are refering to the Giants game with Plax.

The Teams in between the Giants and Pats were not real deep threats.

If the timing was right for the Pats how many deep passes would they have completed. Two to Moss that didnt happen BUT COULD have. We were beat.
This IS a problem.

Any one know how many prior to Pats game?

and then how many in the Pats game?

We cant let receivers get behind our defense. We will get slaughtered

well duh...that goes for the other 31 teams too

but it happens sometimes, even the best of CB's get beat occassionally...Irvin ate up Deion for yrs before he signed with us...ate up Darrell Green...ate up Rod Woodson...Jerry Rice beat guys deep alot etc etc...it happens

David

 

[DallasDomination]

He's playing hurt that's why he's not performing at his highest level. he had a mental mistake on the moss tD and got beat more then once...He had a bad game, so what He's still good.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

well duh...that goes for the other 31 teams too

but it happens sometimes, even the best of CB's get beat occassionally...Irvin ate up Deion for yrs before he signed with us...ate up Darrell Green...ate up Rod Woodson...Jerry Rice beat guys deep alot etc etc...it happens

David

Exactly.


Sometimes you just have to accept that the other team is better than you are. And New England's passing offense is currently better than our pass defense. It is what it is. Schemes can't "hide" everyone on defense.

This team is short 1 corner when either of the top-2 are injured. Many other teams have the same problem.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

well duh...that goes for the other 31 teams too

but it happens sometimes, even the best of CB's get beat occassionally...Irvin ate up Deion for yrs before he signed with us...ate up Darrell Green...ate up Rod Woodson...Jerry Rice beat guys deep alot etc etc...it happens

David

Now David... is that really necessary? :tongue:

Point being. We gave up too many big plays in the past.
That needs to be limited.

Now if we were talking about all 31 teams then your "duh" would have worked there but we werent talking about all the other teams..... so your "duh" fits right in your :moonbart: