For those that question BP's drafting

[Doomsday101]

I think Ireland deserves a lot of credit but at the end of the day it is still BP and Jerry who pull the trigger on who we select. If the player is a bust that is on them and if they pan out that also is on them

 

[JackMagist]

I think Ireland deserves a lot of credit but at the end of the day it is still BP and Jerry who pull the trigger on who we select. If the player is a bust that is on them and if they pan out that also is on them

I might agree with that if it weren't for the fact that the results were so dramatically and immediately improved as soon as Ireland took over. I don't think it is a coincidence.

 

[burmafrd]

You are only as good at making the decisions as the data you use to make them. Now its fair to say that JJ maybe ain't that good; but it seems clear that the info he and the others were using was not of the best quality.

 

[Doomsday101]

I might agree with that if it weren't for the fact that the results were so dramatically and immediately improved as soon as Ireland took over. I don't think it is a coincidence.

Ireland is giving them good information on players but he does not select the player, he gives input which is what the head of scouting is suppose to do but it is still the GM and HC who have to make the call. I take nothing away from Ireland but in the end it is the responsiblity of Jerry and BP to make the final call.

 

[wileedog]

I might agree with that if it weren't for the fact that the results were so dramatically and immediately improved as soon as Ireland took over. I don't think it is a coincidence.

I think you also have to take into account we have drafted defense heavily the past two years. Parcells can draft LBers all day long without Ireland's help.

Parcell's biggests busts pre-Ireland have been on the offensive side of the ball. His biggest hit on that side is Witten, a TE. Again, Parcells can pick those in his sleep.

When we successfully draft some O-lineman and skill players (jury still out on Julius), places where we have struggled pre-Ireland, then I'll start throwing (even) more credit his way.

 

[iceberg]

Consider this: Witten is a 3rd rd pick that already is a multiple Pro Bowler and one of the top 5 TE's in the game.
Canty is a 4th rd pick that is a starter and despite the lack of respect 3-4 DE's get looks to be a fixture for years.
Watkins is a 5th rd pick and looks like a steal.
Petitti is a 6th rd pick and how many of them start at a critical spot like RT?
And while the jury is still out McQuistan is a 7th rd pick that looks like a keeper.
Yes we busted on Rogers and looks like we may be disapointed in Peterman.
But just how many teams get starters later than the 4th rd? How many get gems like Watkins in the 5th? Every First RD pick we have gotten under BP is starting right now.
Actually the only place that we seem to have problems is the 2nd rd. Except for JJ and what looks like a good pick in Fasano the 2nd seems to be a bit of a problem.

witten - score.
canty - um...let's let players play before we just buy the hype and forget the reality. jury WAY out to date.
watkins - again, let him at least play ONE FRIGGING NFL game before we call him a "score".
petitti - i like him as much as anyone and hope he pans out. if you go by last year alone jury is still out. again, hype/potential is one thing, but it seems ALL players have it at first. let it ride a bit longer before we call him "all that", ok?
mcquistian - again, WAY TOO EARLY to tell.

it does sound like you're getting pretty full eating all the hype, so dig in man. it's a hype-buffet and you're heads down in it!

 

[burmafrd]

Of course it is early- too early to really tell- but the signs are very good. And with the excellent job done last year as an indicator, optimism is not unfounded.

 

[iceberg]

Of course it is early- too early to really tell- but the signs are very good. And with the excellent job done last year as an indicator, optimism is not unfounded.

it's rarely ever "unfounded" this time of the year. my point is to let's put off canonizing BP until we see how the players pan out. it seems each and every year we're hyped about our pics, sure. it's what we do as fans. but again, you give 3-4 years to judge a draft and in some cases you're going 1 year to hell, a few practices.

 

[burmafrd]

You just do not want to give BP any props is all. He has rebuilt this franchise so that when he is gone they will still be solid contenders. And he has done that mostly with the draft.

 

[Cochese]

If anyone has any problems with Parcells drafting, please refer to the Jerry Jones drafts after Jimmy left and thank god those days are gone.

 

[iceberg]

If anyone has any problems with Parcells drafting, please refer to the Jerry Jones drafts after Jimmy left and thank god those days are gone.

seperate issue. but i'll still wait and see how *any* drafts pans out before i run around and do something silly like sing the praises of mcquistian as a stroke of genious.

 

[burmafrd]

Not a separate issue. Same team, remember? Just shows the difference between a TOP coach and those that were not.

 

[Cochese]

seperate issue. but i'll still wait and see how *any* drafts pans out before i run around and do something silly like sing the praises of mcquistian as a stroke of genious.

I dont see how its a seperate issue. Without considering this years draft, Parcells has been able to draft NFL players that will have futures in the league when for a while we would be lucky to hit on one NFL caliber player per draft.

 

[iceberg]

I dont see how its a seperate issue. Without considering this years draft, Parcells has been able to draft NFL players that will have futures in the league when for a while we would be lucky to hit on one NFL caliber player per draft.

it's a seperate issue simply because yes, jjones sucked at drafting. i'm not saying bp has not done a good job drafting overall, i'm saying i'm not gonna get to day 4 in camp and proclaim parcells genious over this last draft.

let's say it *Does* pan out - great. goob job! he rules and all.

now if it doesn't, you'll hear excuse after excuse from people who "sing praises" early as to why reality didn't keep up with their early facination of *wanting* these players to pan out.

in the end i don't care who drafts - you wait 3 or so years before you call any draft a huge score. some people wanna do it after 3 days in minicamp and i think that's just a TAD premature.

 

[iceberg]

Not a separate issue. Same team, remember? Just shows the difference between a TOP coach and those that were not.

my point is you won't know WHAT it shows till these players have a chance to play.

like, in an NFL game.

 

[burmafrd]

Canty, etc have already proven that. I agree Watkins and the other guys this year have to prove themselves, but early returns look very good.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Consider this: Witten is a 3rd rd pick that already is a multiple Pro Bowler and one of the top 5 TE's in the game.
Canty is a 4th rd pick that is a starter and despite the lack of respect 3-4 DE's get looks to be a fixture for years.
Watkins is a 5th rd pick and looks like a steal.
Petitti is a 6th rd pick and how many of them start at a critical spot like RT?
And while the jury is still out McQuistan is a 7th rd pick that looks like a keeper.
Yes we busted on Rogers and looks like we may be disapointed in Peterman.
But just how many teams get starters later than the 4th rd? How many get gems like Watkins in the 5th? Every First RD pick we have gotten under BP is starting right now.
Actually the only place that we seem to have problems is the 2nd rd. Except for JJ and what looks like a good pick in Fasano the 2nd seems to be a bit of a problem.

the thing that stands out from this post and I have mentioned it before, no one and i mean no one in the NFL hits on every draft pick. the point being you will find good ones and you keep them and cut your mistakes short and move on. you don't linger over mistakes, because, well that's a mistake. its the hateful fans who want to keep scratching old wounds to get the blood flowing again and like to point out negatives instead of focusing on the positive.

yes, we missed draft picks, but we also hit on draft picks. its not an exact science. everyteam does it that way. there is no GM, coach in the league that has hit on all picks. even the great bilicheck and shanahan have made mistakes. shanahan drafted clarett in the 3rd round!!! passed up on canty.