For those who don't think Drew makes the HOF

[Cowchips]

Listed below are the total and yearly stats for HOF quarterback Archie Manning. Tell me again why people don't think Drew will qualify for the HOF with his current stats which are far superior to Mr. Manning's 24,000yd, 125td and 171int totals

YEAR TEAM ATT COMP YARDS PCT YD/ATT TD INT RATING ATT YARDS AVG TD SAC FUM TMREC
1971 New Orleans 177 86 1164 48.6% 6.6 6 9 60.1 33 172 5.2 4 23 6 4-8-2
1972 New Orleans 448 230 2781 51.3% 6.2 18 21 64.6 63 351 5.6 2 43 6 2-11-1
1973 New Orleans 267 140 1642 52.4% 6.2 10 12 65.2 63 293 4.7 2 29 5 5-9
1974 New Orleans 261 134 1429 51.3% 5.5 6 16 49.8 28 204 7.3 1 25 3 5-9
1975 New Orleans 338 159 1683 47.0% 5.0 7 20 44.3 33 186 5.6 1 40 5 2-12
1977 New Orleans 205 113 1284 55.1% 6.3 8 9 68.8 39 270 6.9 5 29 4 3-11
1978 New Orleans 471 291 3416 61.8% 7.3 17 16 81.7 38 202 5.3 1 34 7 7-9
1979 New Orleans 420 252 3169 60.0% 7.6 15 20 75.6 35 186 5.3 2 17 6 8-8
1980 New Orleans 509 309 3716 60.7% 7.3 23 20 81.8 23 166 7.2 0 41 5 1-15
1981 New Orleans 232 134 1447 57.8% 6.2 5 11 63.6 2 28 14.0 0 21 5 4-12
1982 New Orleans 7 1 3 14.3% 0.4 0 0 15.8 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0-1
1982 Houston 125 66 877 52.8% 7.0 6 6 71.3 13 85 6.5 0 48 5 1-7
1983 Houston 88 44 755 50.0% 8.6 2 8 49.2 2 13 6.5 0 11 2 2-14
1984 Minnesota 94 52 545 55.3% 5.8 2 3 66.1 11 42 3.8 0 18 4 3-13

 

[AdamJT13]

Archie Manning isn't in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Wolfpack]

*yoda voice*

Strong the Manning hype is with this one

 

[Cowchips]

Hmmmmm..ESPN screwed up again!!

How can a Manning fail? Archie, the father, had Pro Football Hall of Fame talent but spent his career with a Saints franchise that wasn't destined to win.

 

[speedkilz88]

Having Hall of Fame talent doesn't mean you are in. Just look at all the former Cowboys that have Hall of Fame talent.

 

[Cowchips]

Here is the complete list, you are correct. What is interesting is that Bledsoe is better than at least 1/2 of the guys on the list and only a handful won superbowls.

Ken Anderson, Steve Deberg, John Brodie, Esiason, Everett to name a few were no better than Bledsoe and his total stats will be better in terms of yds, tds and QB rating vs. most of those guys.


Ken Anderson QB 32838 197 2220 20 81.9 Bengals 2000
Sammy Baugh QB 21886 187 325 9 72.2 Washington 2000
George Blanda QB-PK 26920 236 344 9 60.6 Bears-Colts-Oilers-Raiders 2000
Terry Bradshaw QB 27989 212 2257 32 70.9 Steelers 2000
John Brodie QB 31548 214 1167 22 72.3 49ers 2000
Charlie Conerly QB 19488 173 685 10 68.2 Giants 2000
Len Dawson QB 28711 239 1293 9 82.6 Steelers-Browns-Texans-Kansas City 2000
Steve DeBerg QB 34241 196 200 7 74.2 49ers-Broncos-Buccaneers-Kansas City-Dolphins-Falcons 2000
John Elway QB 51475 300 3407 33 79.9 Broncos 2000
Boomer Esiason QB 37920 247 1598 7 81.1 Bengals-Jets-Cardinals 2000
Jim Everett QB 34837 203 596 4 78.6 Rams-Saints-Chargers 2000
Joe Ferguson QB 29817 196 1217 11 68.4 Bills-Lions-Buccaneers-Colts 2000
Dan Fouts QB 43040 254 476 13 80.2 Chargers 2000
Roman Gabriel QB 29444 201 1304 30 74.3 Rams-Eagles 2000
Otto Graham QB 23584 174 882 44 88.2* AAFC-Browns 2000
Bob Griese QB 25092 192 994 7 77.1 Dolphins 2000
Steve Grogan QB 26886 182 2176 35 69.6 Patriots 2000
John Hadl QB 33503 244 1112 16 67.4 Chargers-Rams-Packers-Oilers 2000
Jim Hart QB 34665 209 207 16 66.6 Cardinals-Washington 2000
Ron Jaworski QB 28190 179 859 16 72.8 Rams-Eagles-Kansas City 2000
Sonny Jurgensen QB 32224 255 493 15 82.6 Eagles-Washington 2000
Jim Kelly QB 35467 237 1049 7 84.4 USFL-Bills 2000
Jack Kemp QB 21218 114 1150 40 57.3 Steelers-Chargers-Bills 2000
Bobby Layne QB 26768 196 2451 25 63.4 Bears-Bulldogs-Lions-Steelers 2000
Dan Marino QB 61361 420 87 9 86.4 Dolphins 2000
Joe Montana QB 40551 273 1676 20 92.3 49ers-Kansas City 2000
Craig Morton QB 27908 183 627 12 73.5 Cowboys-Giants-Broncos 2000
Joe Namath QB 27663 173 140 7 65.5 Jets-Rams 2000
Ken O'Brien QB 25094 128 394 0 80.4 Jets-Eagles 2000
Babe Parilli QB 22681 178 1522 23 59.6 Packers-Browns-Packers-Riders-Patriots-Jets 2000
Jim Plunkett QB 25882 164 1337 14 67.5 Patriots-49ers-Raiders 2000
Phil Simms QB 33462 199 1252 6 78.5 Giants 2000
Norm Snead QB 30797 196 521 23 65.5 Washington-Eagles-Vikings-Giants-49ers 2000
Ken Stabler QB 27938 194 93 4 75.3 Raiders-Oilers-Saints 2000
Bart Starr QB 24718 152 1308 15 80.5 Packers 2000
Roger Staubach QB 22700 153 2264 20 83.4 Cowboys 2000
Fran Tarkenton QB 47003 342 3674 32 80.4 Vikings-Giants 2000
Joe Theismann QB 25206 160 1815 17 77.4 Washington 2000
Y. A. Tittle QB 32070 242 1245 39 72.7* AAFC-Colts-49ers-Giants 2000
Johnny Unitas QB 40239 290 1777 13 78.2 Colts-Chargers 2000
Norm Van Brocklin QB 23611 173 40 11 75.1 Rams-Eagles 2000
Steve Young QB 33124 232 4239 43 96.8 USFL-Buccaneers-49ers 2000

 

[Wolverine]

If Bledsoe does not win a Super Bowl he should get into the HOF. By the time he retires he will have over 50000 yards passing and probaly over 300 TD passes. If that is not nuff to get into the HOF then what will. There are other QBs who have never won the big one who are in the HOF. I would guess if he does not win a SB that he will in the HOF as a Patriot.


But if he wins 1 Super Bowl here as a Cowboy then I am not sure if he goes in a Cowboy or not. But 1 Super Bowl win guarentees he gets in.

If he wins 2 Super Bowls here in Dallas he goes into the HOF a Dallas Cowboy guarenteed. That would just p*ss off the Cowboy haters in the media.


The big things going for Bledsoe are this -

1. He is showing ZERO signs of slowing down or being past his prime. He is one of the best 3 QBs in the game.

2. Cuz he is so big and strong and not to mention tuff. He has more years left in him.

3. This team has not come together yet. As good as we looked against Philly this team will be alot better by game 16 of this year. If we beat Philly now we are gonna be much harder to beat when we are alot better later this year.


4. Bledsoe will probaly have a 5 year stay here in Dallas. He is not a bus driver. He can flat out carry a team and make plays. With the team only getting better and DB having some more prime years left...that is why I think if he stays for 5 years in Dallas he should retire with at least 1 and probaly 2 Super Bowl wins under him.



Anyone else here think if he wins 1 Super Bowl here he might go into the HOF as a Cowboy.

Or if he wins 2 as a Cowboy he will be guarenteed to go in as a Cowboy.

 

[FLcowboy]

Regardless of the failed assumption, Bledsoe will have a tougher time of making the HOF because he has been with three teams. Brady will get the credit for the NE Super Bowl, and Bledsoe's career in Buffalo was good but not great, and unless he gets three rings in Dallas, he is destined to be nothing more than "holding the fort down while Jerry finds a real quarterback."

I don't agree that that is his fate, but I'm just saying he isn't going to get the credit
he may deserve for leading the resurgent Cowboys back to respectability.

 

[Cowchips]

Regardless of the failed assumption, Bledsoe will have a tougher time of making the HOF because he has been with three teams. Brady will get the credit for the NE Super Bowl, and Bledsoe's career in Buffalo was good but not great, and unless he gets three rings in Dallas, he is destined to be nothing more than "holding the fort down while Jerry finds a real quarterback."

I don't agree that that is his fate, but I'm just saying he isn't going to get the credit
he may deserve for leading the resurgent Cowboys back to respectability.

I disagree. More than 1/2 the QBs never won a superbowl. Everyone is hung up on that stat but you have guys like DeBerg, Anderson, Esiason, etc as modern era inductees. None of them are better than Bledsoe and many played for several teams.

I think 5yrs after he is done, HOF voters look at his stats and will realize how significant his lifetime stats and individual records are like most completions in a game, etc.

 

[Hostile]

Hmmmmm..ESPN screwed up again!!

How can a Manning fail? Archie, the father, had Pro Football Hall of Fame talent but spent his career with a Saints franchise that wasn't destined to win.

The main reason some think he will not make the HOF is that he has not had a huge impact on the game like contemporary QBs.

For example, Vinny, Dave Kreig, and Steve Deberg all have stats that eclipse some of the QBs of previous eras. However they haven't made the impact on the game that those players did.

Drew is in the same boat. He has impressive stats but that's his entire trump. If he had Super Bowl wins he'd have better chances. If he stayed his entire career with one team and led them to the playoffs a lot he'd have better chances.

 

[Cowchips]

The main reason some think he will not make the HOF is that he has not had a huge impact on the game like contemporary QBs.

For example, Vinny, Dave Kreig, and Steve Deberg all have stats that eclipse some of the QBs of previous eras. However they haven't made the impact on the game that those players did.

Drew is in the same boat. He has impressive stats but that's his entire trump. If he had Super Bowl wins he'd have better chances. If he stayed his entire career with one team and led them to the playoffs a lot he'd have better chances.

What sort of impact did Ken Anderson, Ron Jaworski or Steve Deberg have that puts them in with stats that aren't even close to Bledsoes but leaves Bledsoe out?

This is a great discussion. I've never focused on the entire list of QBs. Everyone wants to compare to Marino, Elway and Montana..but those guys are not the only HOFrs. Some are downright ordinary statistically. Drew is way ahead of many of them.

 

[Hostile]

What sort of impact did Ken Anderson, Ron Jaworski or Steve Deberg have that puts them in with stats that aren't even close to Bledsoes but leaves Bledsoe out?

This is a great discussion. I've never focused on the entire list of QBs. Everyone wants to compare to Marino, Elway and Montana..but those guys are not the only HOFrs. Some are downright ordinary statistically. Drew is way ahead of many of them.

You've clearly got a lot of people in the Hall of Fame who aren't there.

Archie Manning...not in.

Steve DeBerg...not in.

Ron Jaworski...not in.

Ken Anderson...not in.




Bledsoe does not compare in impact to Elway, Marino, and Montana. Sorry, them's just the facts.

 

[gbrittain]

Here is the complete list, you are correct. What is interesting is that Bledsoe is better than at least 1/2 of the guys on the list and only a handful won superbowls.

Ken Anderson, Steve Deberg, John Brodie, Esiason, Everett to name a few were no better than Bledsoe and his total stats will be better in terms of yds, tds and QB rating vs. most of those guys.


Ken Anderson QB 32838 197 2220 20 81.9 Bengals 2000
Sammy Baugh QB 21886 187 325 9 72.2 Washington 2000
George Blanda QB-PK 26920 236 344 9 60.6 Bears-Colts-Oilers-Raiders 2000
Terry Bradshaw QB 27989 212 2257 32 70.9 Steelers 2000
John Brodie QB 31548 214 1167 22 72.3 49ers 2000
Charlie Conerly QB 19488 173 685 10 68.2 Giants 2000
Len Dawson QB 28711 239 1293 9 82.6 Steelers-Browns-Texans-Kansas City 2000
Steve DeBerg QB 34241 196 200 7 74.2 49ers-Broncos-Buccaneers-Kansas City-Dolphins-Falcons 2000
John Elway QB 51475 300 3407 33 79.9 Broncos 2000
Boomer Esiason QB 37920 247 1598 7 81.1 Bengals-Jets-Cardinals 2000
Jim Everett QB 34837 203 596 4 78.6 Rams-Saints-Chargers 2000
Joe Ferguson QB 29817 196 1217 11 68.4 Bills-Lions-Buccaneers-Colts 2000
Dan Fouts QB 43040 254 476 13 80.2 Chargers 2000
Roman Gabriel QB 29444 201 1304 30 74.3 Rams-Eagles 2000
Otto Graham QB 23584 174 882 44 88.2* AAFC-Browns 2000
Bob Griese QB 25092 192 994 7 77.1 Dolphins 2000
Steve Grogan QB 26886 182 2176 35 69.6 Patriots 2000
John Hadl QB 33503 244 1112 16 67.4 Chargers-Rams-Packers-Oilers 2000
Jim Hart QB 34665 209 207 16 66.6 Cardinals-Washington 2000
Ron Jaworski QB 28190 179 859 16 72.8 Rams-Eagles-Kansas City 2000
Sonny Jurgensen QB 32224 255 493 15 82.6 Eagles-Washington 2000
Jim Kelly QB 35467 237 1049 7 84.4 USFL-Bills 2000
Jack Kemp QB 21218 114 1150 40 57.3 Steelers-Chargers-Bills 2000
Bobby Layne QB 26768 196 2451 25 63.4 Bears-Bulldogs-Lions-Steelers 2000
Dan Marino QB 61361 420 87 9 86.4 Dolphins 2000
Joe Montana QB 40551 273 1676 20 92.3 49ers-Kansas City 2000
Craig Morton QB 27908 183 627 12 73.5 Cowboys-Giants-Broncos 2000
Joe Namath QB 27663 173 140 7 65.5 Jets-Rams 2000
Ken O'Brien QB 25094 128 394 0 80.4 Jets-Eagles 2000
Babe Parilli QB 22681 178 1522 23 59.6 Packers-Browns-Packers-Riders-Patriots-Jets 2000
Jim Plunkett QB 25882 164 1337 14 67.5 Patriots-49ers-Raiders 2000
Phil Simms QB 33462 199 1252 6 78.5 Giants 2000
Norm Snead QB 30797 196 521 23 65.5 Washington-Eagles-Vikings-Giants-49ers 2000
Ken Stabler QB 27938 194 93 4 75.3 Raiders-Oilers-Saints 2000
Bart Starr QB 24718 152 1308 15 80.5 Packers 2000
Roger Staubach QB 22700 153 2264 20 83.4 Cowboys 2000
Fran Tarkenton QB 47003 342 3674 32 80.4 Vikings-Giants 2000
Joe Theismann QB 25206 160 1815 17 77.4 Washington 2000
Y. A. Tittle QB 32070 242 1245 39 72.7* AAFC-Colts-49ers-Giants 2000
Johnny Unitas QB 40239 290 1777 13 78.2 Colts-Chargers 2000
Norm Van Brocklin QB 23611 173 40 11 75.1 Rams-Eagles 2000
Steve Young QB 33124 232 4239 43 96.8 USFL-Buccaneers-49ers 2000

I may have misunderstood, but the list that you printed is not a list of HOF QBs.

The list below will tell you which QBs are in the HOF.

George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962 Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999

(Pre Modern Era QBs)
Sid Luckman
Clarence Parker
Sammy Baugh
Earl Clark
Jimmy Conzelman
John Driscoll
Arnie Herber

 

[Justis]

Here is the complete list, you are correct. What is interesting is that Bledsoe is better than at least 1/2 of the guys on the list and only a handful won superbowls.

Ken Anderson, Steve Deberg, John Brodie, Esiason, Everett to name a few were no better than Bledsoe and his total stats will be better in terms of yds, tds and QB rating vs. most of those guys.


Ken Anderson QB 32838 197 2220 20 81.9 Bengals 2000
Sammy Baugh QB 21886 187 325 9 72.2 Washington 2000
George Blanda QB-PK 26920 236 344 9 60.6 Bears-Colts-Oilers-Raiders 2000
Terry Bradshaw QB 27989 212 2257 32 70.9 Steelers 2000
John Brodie QB 31548 214 1167 22 72.3 49ers 2000
Charlie Conerly QB 19488 173 685 10 68.2 Giants 2000
Len Dawson QB 28711 239 1293 9 82.6 Steelers-Browns-Texans-Kansas City 2000
Steve DeBerg QB 34241 196 200 7 74.2 49ers-Broncos-Buccaneers-Kansas City-Dolphins-Falcons 2000
John Elway QB 51475 300 3407 33 79.9 Broncos 2000
Boomer Esiason QB 37920 247 1598 7 81.1 Bengals-Jets-Cardinals 2000
Jim Everett QB 34837 203 596 4 78.6 Rams-Saints-Chargers 2000
Joe Ferguson QB 29817 196 1217 11 68.4 Bills-Lions-Buccaneers-Colts 2000
Dan Fouts QB 43040 254 476 13 80.2 Chargers 2000
Roman Gabriel QB 29444 201 1304 30 74.3 Rams-Eagles 2000
Otto Graham QB 23584 174 882 44 88.2* AAFC-Browns 2000
Bob Griese QB 25092 192 994 7 77.1 Dolphins 2000
Steve Grogan QB 26886 182 2176 35 69.6 Patriots 2000
John Hadl QB 33503 244 1112 16 67.4 Chargers-Rams-Packers-Oilers 2000
Jim Hart QB 34665 209 207 16 66.6 Cardinals-Washington 2000
Ron Jaworski QB 28190 179 859 16 72.8 Rams-Eagles-Kansas City 2000
Sonny Jurgensen QB 32224 255 493 15 82.6 Eagles-Washington 2000
Jim Kelly QB 35467 237 1049 7 84.4 USFL-Bills 2000
Jack Kemp QB 21218 114 1150 40 57.3 Steelers-Chargers-Bills 2000
Bobby Layne QB 26768 196 2451 25 63.4 Bears-Bulldogs-Lions-Steelers 2000
Dan Marino QB 61361 420 87 9 86.4 Dolphins 2000
Joe Montana QB 40551 273 1676 20 92.3 49ers-Kansas City 2000
Craig Morton QB 27908 183 627 12 73.5 Cowboys-Giants-Broncos 2000
Joe Namath QB 27663 173 140 7 65.5 Jets-Rams 2000
Ken O'Brien QB 25094 128 394 0 80.4 Jets-Eagles 2000
Babe Parilli QB 22681 178 1522 23 59.6 Packers-Browns-Packers-Riders-Patriots-Jets 2000
Jim Plunkett QB 25882 164 1337 14 67.5 Patriots-49ers-Raiders 2000
Phil Simms QB 33462 199 1252 6 78.5 Giants 2000
Norm Snead QB 30797 196 521 23 65.5 Washington-Eagles-Vikings-Giants-49ers 2000
Ken Stabler QB 27938 194 93 4 75.3 Raiders-Oilers-Saints 2000
Bart Starr QB 24718 152 1308 15 80.5 Packers 2000
Roger Staubach QB 22700 153 2264 20 83.4 Cowboys 2000
Fran Tarkenton QB 47003 342 3674 32 80.4 Vikings-Giants 2000
Joe Theismann QB 25206 160 1815 17 77.4 Washington 2000
Y. A. Tittle QB 32070 242 1245 39 72.7* AAFC-Colts-49ers-Giants 2000
Johnny Unitas QB 40239 290 1777 13 78.2 Colts-Chargers 2000
Norm Van Brocklin QB 23611 173 40 11 75.1 Rams-Eagles 2000
Steve Young QB 33124 232 4239 43 96.8 USFL-Buccaneers-49ers 2000

WHAT! How did that joker get in! Don Meredith deserves to be in the HOF more than that idiot. Man I hate those Hall of Fame voters.

Edit: Never mind. Wish I waited a second longer to reply. Still hate the Hall of Fame voters.

 

[blindzebra]

Someone should do some research before starting a thread next time.

 

[Hostile]

WHAT! How did that joker get in! Don Meredith deserves to be in the HOF more than that idiot. Man I hate those Hall of Fame voters.

Don't eat the cheese.

Theisman...not in.

 

[Wolverine]

and Bledsoe's career in Buffalo was good but not great, and unless he gets three rings in Dallas, he is destined to be nothing more than "holding the fort down while Jerry finds a real quarterback."

Brett Favre will only have 1 ring when he retires. He will get in the HOF easy. Steve Young will go in with only 1 ring. Roger Staubach won 2 Super Bowls he got in. Elway 2 rings. Then some QBs with no rings got in.

Where you get Bledsoe needing to get 3 rings I have no idea. Anyone who knows anything about football will see how he has come into Dallas and made our offense the most dangerous it has been in a real long time.

The only part of 3 rings that I am hoping for is that be the number that Bledsoe wins here.

 

[Givincer]

Lets not forget at the age of 37 Elway won his first superbowl up til that point everyone was saying the same thing about Elway not being able to win the big one etc. That is such a pathetic statement but it's what the media does of course Elway was always a good enough player to win the big one - his team wasn't always though, same with Bledsoe and Marino....

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Bledsoe is just not a Hall of Fame player. He has impressive stats, but I just dont think there was ever a time where he was a Top 2-3 QB at any given time during a span of an entire Season multiple times.

There is just nothing you can point too that sets him apart from everyone else. What is he known for? What are some legendary plays that he was part of? What has he won?

Not every Quarterback that has really good numbers can get into the Hall of Fame. It is an extremely exclusive club and should be reserved for those that were truly great and were the best of their Era.

Put it like this. If you put an All-Decade Team together, not just the 90s or 2000s, but let's just say a 10 Year span when Bledsoe played, I dont think he even sniffs the 5th string Quarterback position. John Elway, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Steve Young, the QB for the Oilers, but name escapes me, Troy Aikman, and I am sure I am missing some would probably all be selected ahead of him. I would take all of those Quarterbacks who played when Bledsoe played over Bledsoe and I bet alot of people would.

Im sorry, if that number of QBs would be chosen over you, then you were not the best in your Era, and should not be in Hall of Fame.

The Key is to compare him to Quarterbacks of his era, not all QBs that are in the Hall of Fame because the game a little different in 1940 then it is now....

- Mike G.

 

[Hostile]

Lets not forget at the age of 37 Elway won his first superbowl up til that point everyone was saying the same thing about Elway not being able to win the big one etc. That is such a pathetic statement but it's what the media does of course Elway was always a good enough player to win the big one - his team wasn't always though, same with Bledsoe and Marino....

Elway would have been in without the wins. It's not the same.