FoxCzar Blog: Another Shot at Tuna, Superbowl Redux, Hester Experiment

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Another shot at Tuna
May 29, 2007 | 1:37PM | report this

New Cowboys coach Wade Phillips has returned former first-round pick Bobby Carpenter to inside linebacker, his position at Ohio State. There is no question that the rookie Carpenter struggled as an outside pass rusher last season.


“It's tough because Bill (Parcells) doesn't always communicate everything really well,” Carpenter said. “It was tough for me trying to get a feel for what was going on and what they expected out of me and what their goals were for me to be out on the field. They have done a good job this year of communicating what they want and what I need to do to get better.”

Phillips said he moved Carpenter to inside linebacker in his 3-4 scheme because he’s athletic and because he can run. Some believe the new defense is more flexible for a young player like Carpenter.

“Last year was a little difficult," Carpenter said. “But with this defense, it allows you to run and make more plays. It's not near the structure of how you have to play within the scheme. You get to let your athletic ability take over.”

Super Bowl redux

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones only beat Indianapolis by a vote of 17-15 in last week’s 2011 Super Bowl vote, and the tightness is a strong indicator of the divide between the big-market and small-market owners. Jones won because his new stadium will be able to have 30,000 more fans attend the championship game, whereas Indianapolis wowed many owners with a $25 million pot to alleviate any NFL expenses for the game.

There was a time, long, long ago when the Super Bowl went to the best city and venue. But when the late Pete Rozelle was commissioner, many cities began to include financial perks to the league to land the all-important game. I can remember writing in the mid-1980s the “selling of the Super Bowl” when Miami out-spent San Diego for the rights to XXIII, and Rozelle pulled me aside to explain the financial situation. The cities started by bidding a couple million dollars 20 years ago to now where Indy was prepared to spend $25 million simply to buy the NFL’s most-prestigious event.

It shows how valuable the game is to any city. And, also, how valuable the Super Bowl is to the NFL.

Hester looks great

The experiment never worked at the U. of Miami, but Chicago’s super return man, Devin Hester, looked like a natural at receiver in recent mini-camp work. The first two days of camp, he didn’t drop a pass. He ran solid, crisp routes and, basically, had his teammates and coaches giving him raving about him.

Give head coach Lovie Smith high marks for convincing Hester to junk cornerback for being a wide receiver.

“It was more exciting than I really thought it would be,” Hester said. “Whenever a player gets his hands on the ball and knows what he can do with it, it's a lot of fun.”

After the catch, Hester routinely made players miss. The new dimension should be great for Rex Grossman and also alleviate the frustration that Hester, who returned six kicks for touchdowns last season, will face when punters and kickers kick away from during the season. The Bears needed to find a way for Hester to get more touches.

On kickoffs, Hester will be paired with safety Danieal Manning, former college kickoff specialist, in hopes they can form a 1-2 punch. He will still wear No. 23 and be listed as a running back/receiver.

Reggie helps again

Saints running back Reggie Bush matched his original $50,000 to Holy Rosary High School last year, which helped keep the school for learning-challenged youth open. Bush presented the New Orleans’ school with his second $50,000 gift last Friday.

“After last year, they did such a great job, and what they do is so important,” Bush said. “This is a school that needs to stay open.”

Holy Rosary serves the needs of students who face learning challenges in a typical classroom environment. The school offers hands-on learning and cross-curricula that is designed to provide students with alternative ways to learn mainstream subjects in a smaller classroom setting.
 

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Good for Hester but I really don't want Chicago getting better. If Rex gets better then Chicago might run away from the rest of the NFC. Of course if we get a pass rush and Hamlin is successful we will be better no matter what Grossman does. And I'm not being a homer here either.
 
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Hester looks great

The experiment never worked at the U. of Miami, but Chicago’s super return man, Devin Hester, looked like a natural at receiver in recent mini-camp work. The first two days of camp, he didn’t drop a pass. He ran solid, crisp routes and, basically, had his teammates and coaches giving him raving about him.

Give head coach Lovie Smith high marks for convincing Hester to junk cornerback for being a wide receiver.

“It was more exciting than I really thought it would be,” Hester said. “Whenever a player gets his hands on the ball and knows what he can do with it, it's a lot of fun.”

After the catch, Hester routinely made players miss. The new dimension should be great for Rex Grossman and also alleviate the frustration that Hester, who returned six kicks for touchdowns last season, will face when punters and kickers kick away from during the season. The Bears needed to find a way for Hester to get more touches.

On kickoffs, Hester will be paired with safety Danieal Manning, former college kickoff specialist, in hopes they can form a 1-2 punch. He will still wear No. 23 and be listed as a running back/receiver.

Don't forget how good Randall Williams looked as a reciever in camps toward the end of his career. I would like to see how Hester does in pads and getting jammed at the line of scrimmage. It is different than just running drills in camp.
 

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“It's tough because Bill (Parcells) doesn't always communicate everything really well,” Carpenter said. “It was tough for me trying to get a feel for what was going on and what they expected out of me and what their goals were for me to be out on the field. They have done a good job this year of communicating what they want and what I need to do to get better.”

Every admission that the new coaching staff is likable is not necessarily "a shot" at Parcells.
 

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Boyzmamacita;1512390 said:
Every admission that the new coaching staff is likable is not necessarily "a shot" at Parcells.

Thank you.

And it's no secret that Bill didn't always communicate to the players. He wanted it that way.

BTW, I'm skeptical that Hester is some primo-looking receiver after he couldn't play the position a lick in college.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1512391 said:
Thank you.

And it's no secret that Bill didn't always communicate to the players. He wanted it that way.

BTW, I'm skeptical that Hester is some primo-looking receiver after he couldn't play the position a lick in college.


Everyone looks primo, when you're running around in shorts, and playing half heartily.

Let's see how big and bad he is, when the pads come on, and guys are trying to put his head on a stick. All that juking will only get you broke, in two
 

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Boyzmamacita;1512390 said:
Every admission that the new coaching staff is likable is not necessarily "a shot" at Parcells.

You're right. If you ask the right questions and ask them the right way you can do what the media does so well. Create controversy and sell print.

Chocolate Lab;1512391 said:
Thank you.

And it's no secret that Bill didn't always communicate to the players. He wanted it that way.

BTW, I'm skeptical that Hester is some primo-looking receiver after he couldn't play the position a lick in college.

I think many people are skeptical. Me, too. But if he can play WR at all he will make some plays. He's scary with the ball.

dargonking999;1512397 said:
Everyone looks primo, when you're running around in shorts, and playing half heartily.

Let's see how big and bad he is, when the pads come on, and guys are trying to put his head on a stick. All that juking will only get you broke, in two

Yeah, someone is going level him eventually. He's going to juke right into someone's path. And it will be highlite time. I didn't follow Chicago or him. What I saw was people not hitting him. Can he take a big hit?
 

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Wow... Hester is going to be just like Reggie Bush apparently; he can catch, he can run, he is fast ( maybe not as fast as Reggie Bush but he has crazy game speed and is elusive) and is going to cost ALOT less than Bush, so I would think Hester has more value regardless.
 

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BouncingCheese;1512484 said:
Wow... Hester is going to be just like Reggie Bush apparently; he can catch, he can run, he is fast ( maybe not as fast as Reggie Bush but he has crazy game speed and is elusive) and is going to cost ALOT less than Bush, so I would think Hester has more value regardless.


How do you come to the conclusion that Hester has more value than Reggie Bush? Bush has had a full season to prove his value in the position he plays. Hester hasn't played WR worth a squat at any level to date.

I'll take Reggie Bush value over Hester value any day.
 

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Don Corleone;1512502 said:
How do you come to the conclusion that Hester has more value than Reggie Bush? Bush has had a full season to prove his value in the position he plays. Hester hasn't played WR worth a squat at any level to date.

I'll take Reggie Bush value over Hester value any day.

Considering what Reggie Bush costs compared to Hester's salary, I would say that Hester is the better value IF (I mean IF) Hester pans out as the jack of all trades player they are setting him up for.

I understand that Hester hasn't played the postion in the game yet, but I am saying that If hester has as good a year or a semblance of a year to what Bush had, I would say that
hester would be the better value.

Why pay $1.50 for gasoline when the store across the street is selling the equivalent for twenty cents less?

With that rationale, why pay Bush his 21 mil guaranteed and 52 million overall when Hester is costing considerably less for the same or small decline in production?

That is all that I meant; Reggie Bush is freking amazing; and Hester hasn't proved anything...But if hester does awesome this upcoming season all bets are off IMO.
 

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Oh my GOD!!! CARPENTER IS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST PURCELLS! cut him while we still can!! AHHHH!!!

there, I went ahead and said it so that the group of dumb usual suspects can take a break this time.
 

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SupermanXx;1512513 said:
Oh my GOD!!! CARPENTER IS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST PURCELLS! cut him while we still can!! AHHHH!!!

there, I went ahead and said it so that the group of dumb usual suspects can take a break this time.

heeeheeehee :laugh2:
 

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BouncingCheese;1512509 said:
Considering what Reggie Bush costs compared to Hester's salary, I would say that Hester is the better value IF (I mean IF) Hester pans out as the jack of all trades player they are setting him up for.

I understand that Hester hasn't played the postion in the game yet, but I am saying that If hester has as good a year or a semblance of a year to what Bush had, I would say that
hester would be the better value.

Why pay $1.50 for gasoline when the store across the street is selling the equivalent for twenty cents less?

With that rationale, why pay Bush his 21 mil guaranteed and 52 million overall when Hester is costing considerably less for the same or small decline in production?

That is all that I meant; Reggie Bush is freking amazing; and Hester hasn't proved anything...But if hester does awesome this upcoming season all bets are off IMO.
I think your reasoning in your post is spot on.
 

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BouncingCheese;1512484 said:
Wow... Hester is going to be just like Reggie Bush apparently; he can catch, he can run, he is fast ( maybe not as fast as Reggie Bush but he has crazy game speed and is elusive) and is going to cost ALOT less than Bush, so I would think Hester has more value regardless.

He also will be a victim of the sophomore curse.

Anyone that is motivated enough to complain about his Madden speed rating is destined to crash and burn.
 

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Alexander;1512532 said:
He also will be a victim of the sophomore curse.

Anyone that is motivated enough to complain about his Madden speed rating is destined to crash and burn.


:laugh2: Big-headedness is not always the best sign.

Lets' hope that he plays badly against us; besides that I hope the guy lights the league on fire, he is so much fun to watch.
 

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Maybe Parcells didn't tell him much cuz he didn't want to lie to him...Wade is on record telling Ware and Ellis that they will be playing the same position that Marriman played in San Diego.

It seems like Wade is telling the players what they want to hear and Parcells had no problem not guaranteeing anyone anything even if they were a 1st round pick.

I'm not bashing Wade but his style seems like he is a guy that will compliment you and that is his way of making you work hard. Parcells way of making a player work hard was to get under there skin so they would wonna prove Pacells wrong.
 
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Where are the posters that said Carpenter was a BETTER OLB than inside linebacker, I remember folks saying he would be the starting OLB :lmao:
 

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Another shot at Tuna
May 29, 2007 | 1:37PM

New Cowboys coach Wade Phillips has returned former first-round pick Bobby Carpenter to inside linebacker, his position at Ohio State. There is no question that the rookie Carpenter struggled as an outside pass rusher last season.

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“It's tough because Bill (Parcells) doesn't always communicate everything really well,” Carpenter said. “It was tough for me trying to get a feel for what was going on and what they expected out of me and what their goals were for me to be out on the field. They have done a good job this year of communicating what they want and what I need to do to get better.”

Phillips said he moved Carpenter to inside linebacker in his 3-4 scheme because he’s athletic and because he can run. Some believe the new defense is more flexible for a young player like Carpenter.

“Last year was a little difficult," Carpenter said. “But with this defense, it allows you to run and make more plays. It's not near the structure of how you have to play within the scheme. You get to let your athletic ability take over.”

Super Bowl redux

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones only beat Indianapolis by a vote of 17-15 in last week’s 2011 Super Bowl vote, and the tightness is a strong indicator of the divide between the big-market and small-market owners. Jones won because his new stadium will be able to have 30,000 more fans attend the championship game, whereas Indianapolis wowed many owners with a $25 million pot to alleviate any NFL expenses for the game.

There was a time, long, long ago when the Super Bowl went to the best city and venue. But when the late Pete Rozelle was commissioner, many cities began to include financial perks to the league to land the all-important game.

I can remember writing in the mid-1980s the “selling of the Super Bowl” when Miami out-spent San Diego for the rights to XXIII, and Rozelle pulled me aside to explain the financial situation. The cities started by bidding a couple million dollars 20 years ago to now where Indy was prepared to spend $25 million simply to buy the NFL’s most-prestigious event.

It shows how valuable the game is to any city. And, also, how valuable the Super Bowl is to the NFL.

Hester looks great

The experiment never worked at the U. of Miami, but Chicago’s super return man, Devin Hester, looked like a natural at receiver in recent mini-camp work.

The first two days of camp, he didn’t drop a pass. He ran solid, crisp routes and, basically, had his teammates and coaches raving about him.

Give head coach Lovie Smith high marks for convincing Hester to junk cornerback for being a wide receiver.

“It was more exciting than I really thought it would be,” Hester said. “Whenever a player gets his hands on the ball and knows what he can do with it, it's a lot of fun.”

After the catch, Hester routinely made players miss. The new dimension should be great for Rex Grossman and also alleviate the frustration that Hester, who returned six kicks for touchdowns last season, will face when punters and kickers kick away from during the season. The Bears needed to find a way for Hester to get more touches.

On kickoffs, Hester will be paired with safety Danieal Manning, former college kickoff specialist, in hopes they can form a 1-2 punch. He will still wear No. 23 and be listed as a running back/receiver.

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Reggie helps again

Saints running back Reggie Bush matched his original $50,000 to Holy Rosary High School last year, which helped keep the school for learning-challenged youth open. Bush presented the New Orleans’ school with his second $50,000 gift last Friday.

“After last year, they did such a great job, and what they do is so important,” Bush said. “This is a school that needs to stay open.”

Holy Rosary serves the needs of students who face learning challenges in a typical classroom environment. The school offers hands-on learning and cross-curricula that is designed to provide students with alternative ways to learn mainstream subjects in a smaller classroom setting.
 
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