FoxSports Roundtable: "What did you think of the Cowboys trading for Roy Wiliams?

[WoodysGirl]

THIS WEEK'S FOX NFL SUNDAY PANEL

Czar: "What did you think of the Cowboys trading for Detroit receiver Roy Williams?"


JJ: "I liked the trade for Dallas. They got a very good young player who is going to be productive for a long time. T.O. really hasn't played that well since Shawn Springs and the Commanders beat him up at the line of scrimmage. And it's a good trade for the Lions, too, if they pick right with the draft picks they received. But it's a bad trade for them if they pick like the Rams did with all those picks they got when they traded Eric Dickerson. Hey, the only reason why they rave about my Herschel Walker trade with the Cowboys is because we picked good players with those picks from Minnesota."

TB: "What the Roy Williams trade did was take the burden off the Pacman Jones story for the Cowboys."

JJ: "It diverted some of the negative thoughts that the fans were having."

HL: "This trade definitely had some 'wag the dog' element to it, no doubt. The PSL sales, the Pacman thing. Jerry Jones can say, 'We do whatever it takes to win a championship now.' They have some salary-cap issues because they have signed up a lot of players in the last couple of years. Plus, they still have to take care of DeMarcus Ware."

TB: "I know Jerry will come up with the money. I'm not worried about that."

JJ: "Jerry threw in that third-round pick because he wanted to make sure he got this player and he signed him immediately long-term. It was a good move."



Czar: "Now that Brett Favre has encouraged him, can Tony Romo play with a broken pinky finger?"

TB: "One finger that you can break is the pinky finger and still play unless it's a compound fracture, broken in two. The pinky is simply a balance finger. It's not that important."

JJ: "But, Terry, I would be concerned with his ball security. Tony likes holding the ball with one hand. That may be a problem with the pinky the way it is."

TB: "I don't understand not having both hands on the ball. He's real careless with the ball at times. He's what I call a palmer. He palms the football when he throws it."



Czar: "Let's say that Brad Johnson is the quarterback for Dallas. How do the Cowboys fare with him and without Pacman Jones?"

HL: "Well, you have to assume that Marion Barber will be featured like he was in Arizona. He's an extremely physical back, but I don't know if you want to overload him, considering Felix Jones isn't available. Whenever you have a hamstring injury, you really never know when he's going to be able to come back. I think Barber had 33 touches last week."

TB: "I don't see the Cowboys throwing as many deep balls, except a few off play-action, as they normally do with Romo."

HL: "A lot was made of the Cowboys' offensive line in the Arizona game. And there were some breakdowns. But Tony, even when he dropped back at the goal line, his clock has to move a little faster than it does. He's so confident; he's almost too casual. He has an attitude that he can float in the pocket — and he does do a great job of sliding in the pocket. But when you slide, slide, slide and wait, wait, wait, there's a clock and the line can't protect you forever. One of the sacks happened when he didn't step up. But he also got hit 19 times and that's a lot. Pacman ... well, they needed him now more than ever."

TB: "I think the Felix Jones loss is a bigger one that Pacman's."

HL: "I agree with Terry. His impact on the game can be extraordinary. I like their defensive front and their outside linebackers. The Dallas secondary is a work in progress. They are going to have to get pressure. The offense did nothing to help the defense in Arizona. And losing that punter is huge. He played a major role in giving them great field position."

JJ: "They have a lot of work to do on their special teams. Their coverage units haven't been very good and Pacman hasn't been playing that well. I think if they do bring him back in four weeks, the two rookies (at cornerback) will probably be playing better than he was by then."


Czar: "Last year Adrian Peterson ran for 224 yards against the Bears in Chicago. Do you see a repeat performance?"


Terry Bradshaw: "I don't know about that. The Bears are really playing the run a lot better this season. Now, the Vikings can only win if they can beat you throwing deep and Gus Frerotte hasn't been consistent there. They really won ugly last week."


Jimmy Johnson: "I think the Bears are a pretty good team and I think they will show that against Minnesota. The Vikings are so limited in what they can do. Points come in the passing game and all they seem able to do is dink and dunk. Now, Minnesota can play great run defense, but the Bears should be able to throw on that secondary. I think Chicago is good because Kyle Orton is playing so much better than what anybody expected. Also, Devin Hester gives them home-run ability on special teams."

Howie Long: "Last week, that was the Bears' third devastating loss of the season, the way they've been losing at the end of games. Right now, though, they are the healthiest team in this division. The only thing I worry about is emotionally, where are they after that loss?"


JJ: "But, Howie, their style lends itself to playing close games. They won a tight one against Philadelphia with a great goal-line stand. They are going to have tight games just about every time they line up."


HL: "But last week's loss is really tough."


TB: "I don't think we should give up on Minnesota and Green Bay just yet. I don't think we should be handing this division to Chicago."


HL: "I just think they may be the best."


Michael Strahan: "The Bears are a really balanced team right now. So, the way they are set up they are going to win some they probably shouldn't and vice versa. Peterson hasn't been able to run like he did last season. I just don't see him having the same kind of game against the Bears this season."


HL: "Rookie Matt Forte really opens things up for the Bears."

Czar: "Big game in the NFC South with New Orleans visiting the Panthers. Who wins?"


HL: "If they can get healthy and play a little bit of defense, the Saints are pretty scary. They say they are getting Jeremy Shockey and Marques Colston back this week. And Drew Brees is playing as well as anyone in the NFL right now. Sean Payton obviously knows something about offense and Reggie Bush seems to have hit his stride and figured out who he is."


JJ: "I still think Carolina is a heck of a team. I don't think their loss to the Bucs last week was indicative of how good they are. If they protect the football, they are good enough to win the division."


HL: "That's the third punt they've had blocked this season and it cost them big against the Bucs."


MS: "I really think the Saints can be explosive, but I know that John Fox is going to want to run the ball and control the clock and the game. That will help his defense. I like the Panthers in this game."


HL: "Carolina is embarrassed by how they played last week. They got smoked. I assume they will play better. I'm not sure that New Orleans can stop the run."

Czar: "Michael visited the Giants last week and the Browns upset them on Monday night. What happened?"


MS: "In my mind, the Giants took one on the chin. They saw Dallas and Washington lose, so I was surprised that they didn't respect the Browns as much as they should have. Then, when they realized they were in a game, they didn't recover and get to the next level."


TB: "I was a little disappointed with how Eli played in that game. He rushed some throws. He looked a little like the Eli we saw earlier LAST season."


JJ: "Cleveland got some players back along the offensive line and they had that extra time to prepare for this game. They finally played like the team everyone was expecting them to be this season."


MS: "Let's face it, the Browns played like they were playing the Super Bowl champs. I don't think the Giants expected that out of Cleveland."


HL: "The offensive line there has been in flux, but the Browns got their right tackle back and pretty much protected Derek Anderson. I was interested in that they matched up Braylon Edwards on Aaron Ross. The Browns were happy isolating him on Ross where he could use double moves and use his size disparity there. And Anderson looked like the quarterback the league fell in love with last season. Cleveland finally woke up."


TB: "This game was kind of like Arizona beating up the Cowboys."

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[newlander]

TB is POLITE when he calls Romo a "palmer". (because he palms the ball) I usually call him a "fumbler."

 

[DaBoys4Life]

wow that's some pretty good stuff there better than the BS espn has been putting out all week.

 

[Hostile]

I've been wondering where the roundtable discussion articles for them went.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I've been wondering where the roundtable discussion articles for them went.

They seem to show up on late on Saturdays. Or at least that's when I look for them.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Man Felix Jones needs to hurry back, but of course he'd have to actually get the ball in order to have the big plays... Marion Barber is a good running back but he tends to dance a little too much which is weird because he can't run away from the defender.

 

[burmafrd]

I think that with MB3 its another sign of Wade not willing to put his foot down. BP would have been chewing MB out big time for dancing- wade says nothing. Now I am not saying we need BP back- but I am saying that Wade needs to assert himself a lot more and start chewing guys out that screw up.

 

[Kilyin]

Czar: "Michael visited the Giants last week and the Browns upset them on Monday night. What happened?"

TB: "This game was kind of like Arizona beating up the Cowboys."

Terry Bradshaw is clueless, the way the Giants lost to Cleveland was nothing like the Cowboys loss to the Cardinals. The Giants were outmatched and annihilated in every aspect of the game from start to finish. The Cowboys lost in OT and could have easily won if not for a few bonehead plays.

 

[Spectre]

The reactions to the RW trade as a "panicked rersponse to" or "intent to divert attention from" the "recent turmoil in Dallas" are absolutely ridiculous.
You don't decide to trade those kinds of picks and pay that kind of money for a player over the weekend. It's obvious Jerry has had this deal in mind for quite some time and he has specifically said so on numerous occasions.

It just ticks me off because I'm not hearing anyone's true opinion on the trade. They're responding to what they think the state of mind is in Dallas that made the trade happen (and they're wrong), not what the trade actually does for the team or what they really think of the player himself. I too would think the trade was foolish if I were convinced it was a desperate response and knee-jerk reaction to a couple game and personnel losses. But that IS NOT the case. I wonder how many of these haters would have a different take on the trade if they didn't believe the above.

I guess it's a just a cop-out anyway because it's a response that affords them to look correct in their analysis regardless of what happens with RW. If he doesn't live up to the expectations, they get to say "I told you so". If he does, then they can just say "I never said he wasn't gonna be good... I just said they shouldn't have paid so desperately for him." Real analysts put their balls behind their statements and pick a side. I guess that's too much to ask for these days.

 

[cowboy08]

The reactions to the RW trade as a "panicked rersponse to" or "intent to divert attention from" the "recent turmoil in Dallas" are absolutely ridiculous.
You don't decide to trade those kinds of picks and pay that kind of money for a player over the weekend. It's obvious Jerry has had this deal in mind for quite some time and he has specifically said so on numerous occasions.

It just ticks me off because I'm not hearing anyone's true opinion on the trade. They're responding to what they think the state of mind is in Dallas that made the trade happen (and they're wrong), not what the trade actually does for the team or what they really think of the player himself. I too would think the trade was foolish if I were convinced it was a desperate response and knee-jerk reaction to a couple game and personnel losses. But that IS NOT the case. I wonder how many of these haters would have a different take on the trade if they didn't believe the above.

I guess it's a just a cop-out anyway because it's a response that affords them to look correct in their analysis regardless of what happens with RW. If he doesn't live up to the expectations, they get to say "I told you so". If he does, then they can just say "I never said he wasn't gonna be good... I just said they shouldn't have paid so desperately for him." Real analysts put their balls behind their statements and pick a side. I guess that's too much to ask for these days.

Jones himself said he wanted Roy for two years and had been trying to get him during that time as well. You have to admit, the timing of this trade is a little suspect and the urgency with which we got him (evidenced by all the picks) seems odd as well. I think there's something to be said for both sides of the story. But I think we really wanted him, so do the circumstances really matter? Two years from now no one will remember this trade if Roy ends up doing well or like Jimmie said, if Detriot somehow turns theirs franchise around and has some outstanding draft next year.

 

[ajk23az]

All of it just happened to be the week of the trading deadline, thats all. That is why people are calling this ridiculous and desperate.

 

[Spectre]

All of it just happened to be the week of the trading deadline, thats all. That is why people are calling this ridiculous and desperate.

exactly.
mid-season trades like this never happen anytime except the final moments of the final day of the trade deadline.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

good read......go Cowboys

 

[big dog cowboy]

The reactions to the RW trade as a "panicked rersponse to" or "intent to divert attention from" the "recent turmoil in Dallas" are absolutely ridiculous.

Big time!!!