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I am of the opinion that this term was invented for marketing purposes because of the absurd variability in the definition of a “franchise QB.” Based on all the time I have watched the game, if a team wants to win in the playoffs and Super Bowl they do not need elite QB play.

They do need winning method adaptability the bulk of playoff runs. If the teams get in a shootout and must rely on their offense to outscore the opposing offense because both team’s defense are not performing well. On the flip side, the team defense may need to outperform the opposing team’s defense when both offenses are not performing well. Coaching helps some, but it’s way down the list of priorities unless it is paired with an elite QB. Elite QB play paired with a top 5 defense and elite coaching is the most repeatable playoff/SB contention methods in the history of the NFL.

If you want my definition of elite QB play, I can give you a list of thresholds for the season in question (not every season will yield elite QB play). Top 5 in passing yards, TDs thrown. TD to INT ratio of 4 or more. No more than 2 games scoring 10 points less than season average (for regular season), no more than one game like that in playoffs. In the playoffs and at least 80% of the regular season games—answering opposing scoring drives with a scoring drive within the next two drives (end of half drives with less than 45 seconds thrown out). In all games, answering opposing TD drive with a TD drive at least 50% of the time (unless leading by 24 points or more). In playoffs-never going down by more than 24 points at any point in the game (unless the offense never had a possession during that period of time).

For me, if a QB is able to make a conference championship game in the first 6 seasons with a club and my definition of elite QB play in half their seasons, then they merit a long-term deal. Also, multiple time SB winners are given some flexibility in their performance thresholds with regards to contract extensions. For your information most teams do not hold onto starting QBs for more than 9 seasons if they never actually get to a CCG. The outliers are Romo, Dak, and Stafford (with Detroit). This team has the luxury of running it back indefinitely because of the front office structure. This is not so much an indictment of Dak as it’s an indictment of Cowboys procedure. For this front office- It’s not about making it deep into the playoffs-obviously. It’s about hanging around the rim of the playoffs and maybe making it in sometimes. But Dak did sign up for this-and deserves the current playoff legacy with Jerry during his career.
 
100% right. There are many so called franchise QB's in this league who won't ever win a super bowl. But the perception that they are capable of winning one makes them a franchise QB.
To top it off-most front offices only get a three year window to produce and then whoever the “franchise QB” is gets cut/traded 90% of the time. The next front office overdrafts the next guy or trades lots to get the next guy to sell and the process gets repeated.

Seattle figured Geno Smith at age 34 was not a worthwhile long term investment despite passing for 4282 yards (30 TDs), 3623 yards (20 TDs in 15 games and injured), then 4320 yards (21 TDs). That from a journeyman career backup who goes full circle back to the disastrous NY Jets franchise. Seattle had the 25th ranked defense twice and then the 12th his last season before ranking number one this past year. Baker Mayfield got ditched by Cleveland, Carolina, the Rams, before settling in with Tampa Bay. Better receiving options and offensive line yielded 4044 yards (28TDs), 4500 yards (41TDs), and 3693 yards (23TDs-minus Evans for over half the season). Brock Purdy looks fantastic when all the SF offense is healthy, and a lot more like Mr Irrelevant when they are not.

I mean-it’s almost like most of these QBs go to the beat of the rest of the offense. Media cannot really sell the matchup between Trent Williams and some defensive end as much as they can this QB vs this other QB even though they are not actually matching up. So teams get to decide how much the QB impacts the actual win totals. And a team like Dallas calculates how much merch is sold associated with a household name and how likely that guy can keep putting up good stats. Is Dak necessary for Dallas postseason success? Jerry answers: WHO CARES?
 
Marketing: Caring only about money instead of actually winning the big game!
 
It’s been my experience the NFL runs through the defense . If your defense functions and gets three and outs keeps the opposition to a respectable output you’re going to win simple . The QB should not be a turnover magnet and at least get to the 20’s . Not asking for the moon .
 
For me, if a QB is able to make a conference championship game in the first 6 seasons with a club and my definition of elite QB play in half their seasons, then they merit a long-term deal. Also, multiple time SB winners are given some flexibility in their performance thresholds with regards to contract extensions. For your information most teams do not hold onto starting QBs for more than 9 seasons if they never actually get to a CCG. The outliers are Romo, Dak, and Stafford (with Detroit). This team has the luxury of running it back indefinitely because of the front office structure. This is not so much an indictment of Dak as it’s an indictment of Cowboys procedure. For this front office- It’s not about making it deep into the playoffs-obviously. It’s about hanging around the rim of the playoffs and maybe making it in sometimes. But Dak did sign up for this-and deserves the current playoff legacy with Jerry during his career.
100%. No qb has ever gone to a CCG for the first time with their original team after 9 seasons. Not never. Blame Dak, blame Jerry, blame whatever you want, but that is a hefty stat to overcome.
 
“Franchise” is like “shutdown corner,” overused and not to be taken literally (with one exception).
 
“Franchise” is like “shutdown corner,” overused and not to be taken literally (with one exception).
Way overused. Fans on this site will use it when defending the idea of running it back indefinitely with a QB. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, and Brock Purdy should prove that what you really need is a complete team and then add a competent QB. Tampa is talking about an extension with Baker, but should take it easy with the guaranteed cash. He’s pretty good. His best season was more productive TD wise than anything Dak has accomplished-but then dipped significantly when the best weapon was not healthy.
 
It’s been my experience the NFL runs through the defense . If your defense functions and gets three and outs keeps the opposition to a respectable output you’re going to win simple . The QB should not be a turnover magnet and at least get to the 20’s . Not asking for the moon .
The problem is that even great defenses will have trouble stopping great offenses at times. Seattle’s NUMBER 1 defense played great in 2 out of three games in the playoffs. They never make it to the Super Bowl without Darnold carving up the Rams secondary in the NFCCG 346 yards (3TDs). Kenneth Walker rushed for 62 yards on 19 carries and the rest of the rushers got 13 yards. Though I’ve read countless times that the rushing attack is the most important thing in the playoffs. The Rams only totaled 114 yards (zero TDs) rushing, but Stafford threw for 374 yards and 3 TDs (almost another). If fans do not understand by now that one method of winning is not sustainable in the playoffs-they never will. Sometimes your offense must be majority passing as this mentioned game played out. Seattle needed all 31 of those points to beat the Rams 31-27.
 
The problem is that even great defenses will have trouble stopping great offenses at times. Seattle’s NUMBER 1 defense played great in 2 out of three games in the playoffs. They never make it to the Super Bowl without Darnold carving up the Rams secondary in the NFCCG 346 yards (3TDs). Kenneth Walker rushed for 62 yards on 19 carries and the rest of the rushers got 13 yards. Though I’ve read countless times that the rushing attack is the most important thing in the playoffs. The Rams only totaled 114 yards (zero TDs) rushing, but Stafford threw for 374 yards and 3 TDs (almost another). If fans do not understand by now that one method of winning is not sustainable in the playoffs-they never will. Sometimes your offense must be majority passing as this mentioned game played out. Seattle needed all 31 of those points to beat the Rams 31-27.

To me I may be wrong after what the Chiefs have accomplished with Reid , Sean McVey best coach in football . Not sure how much longer Reid has .
 
Without a stout defense , top 10 at least you’re not going to go that far in the playoffs . Your offense maybe dangerous ( Dallas ) but a team playing strong D will turn off the faucet .
 
100%. No qb has ever gone to a CCG for the first time with their original team after 9 seasons. Not never. Blame Dak, blame Jerry, blame whatever you want, but that is a hefty stat to overcome.

That’s an amazing stat and an amazing indictment for Dallas to overcome . Dak I believe is in year 11 with zero NFCCG appearances so he’s 2 years past that stat . Jerry confuses loyalty to success .

To me it’s amazing that after constant non success in Detroit that McVay took in this veteran QB and every year they are a deep playoff threat even winning a SB .
 
That’s an amazing stat and an amazing indictment for Dallas to overcome . Dak I believe is in year 11 with zero NFCCG appearances so he’s 2 years past that stat . Jerry confuses loyalty to success .

To me it’s amazing that after constant non success in Detroit that McVay took in this veteran QB and every year they are a deep playoff threat even winning a SB .
I think when it comes to evaluating you ask yourself have you done everything to make it to a conference championship? This team hasn’t.

The ingredients it takes to win a sb are out there.

Jerry and some fans best talent means you win.

You have to respect the trenches and physicality it takes to win in this league. Jerry hasn’t which is odd because those 90s teams were built on it.
 
McVay is the best coach in the league and to me there’s no one close. Rams compete regardless of hurt or who’s retired….

I give credit where credit is due with Reid and three SB rings in KC but as far as young coaches McVay is tops . I think what shocked him draft day was his GM taking a back up QB instead of a Defensive piece of the puzzle to build up another run at a ring .
 
Way overused. Fans on this site will use it when defending the idea of running it back indefinitely with a QB. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, and Brock Purdy should prove that what you really need is a complete team and then add a competent QB. Tampa is talking about an extension with Baker, but should take it easy with the guaranteed cash. He’s pretty good. His best season was more productive TD wise than anything Dak has accomplished-but then dipped significantly when the best weapon was not healthy.
All those quarterbacks stink. Baker shows a pulse at times but eventually he shows what he is. I pray life after Dak is a real prospect and not a cheap has been because Geno and Baker look decent at times. Use the proper draft picks to find the guy and have his cheap salary for 4 or 5 years.
 
I give credit where credit is due with Reid and three SB rings in KC but as far as young coaches McVay is tops . I think what shocked him draft day was his GM taking a back up QB instead of a Defensive piece of the puzzle to build up another run at a ring .
Reid is great to. But we are seeing these Chiefs team get older and get worse. Rams get older and continue to compete in a tough division. Reid is great too. Wish we hired him when he was out there.
 
I think when it comes to evaluating you ask yourself have you done everything to make it to a conference championship? This team hasn’t.

The ingredients it takes to win a sb are out there.

Jerry and some fans best talent means you win.

You have to respect the trenches and physicality it takes to win in this league. Jerry hasn’t which is odd because those 90s teams were built on it.

You see when people complain about Booker I don’t . He’s a key piece of trench football and should have a 10 yr career in Dallas . Beebe & Tyler Smith solid picks . It’s the tackles the Cowboys have not upgraded and it’s costly . Next year this team should draft Carter Smith a LT with a nasty disposition round one and get on with it .
 
100% right. There are many so called franchise QB's in this league who won't ever win a super bowl. But the perception that they are capable of winning one makes them a franchise QB.
Is #4 capable of winning 1? Maybe, maybe not. There's almost zero chance he does it with Dallas, though. If Jerry really wanted to make a splash in the draft he should have tried to snag #1 overall away from Vegas.

I'm not sold that Mendoza is going to turn out to be a superstar, but the clock is ticking and it's past time to draft #4's future replacement. Brady had a long career because he was able to stay injury free for the most part. Dak hasn't been so lucky. The chances of him playing into his late 30's or early 40's are not good.
 

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