Franchise Tag Question

[zerofill]

So... if a team does a non-exclusive tag, where the player can negotiate with other teams. The player receives an offer, and the team holding the tag doesn't match it.... Where do the 2 first round picks come from?

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

 

[Cowboys22]

The next two years from that team.

 

[Denim Chicken]

So... if a team does a non-exclusive tag, where the player can negotiate with other teams. The player receives an offer, and the team holding the tag doesn't match it.... Where do the 2 first round picks come from?

From the team that signs they tagged player, I believe.

 

[JBS]

What do you mean where..where else would they come from?

 

[JBS]

From the team that signs they tagged player, I believe.

Of course. There is no other option

 

[zerofill]

What do you mean where..where else would they come from?

It didn't say, so I thought the NFL was going to be like the Feds making money out of thin air lol.

I assumed it was that team... but it also didn't say if it was 2 picks form that team, 2 picks in the same draft, 2 picks spread out...

So I was making sure...

 

[JD_KaPow]

It didn't say, so I thought the NFL was going to be like the Feds making money out of thin air lol.

I assumed it was that team... but it also didn't say if it was 2 picks form that team, 2 picks in the same draft, 2 picks spread out...

So I was making sure...

Free agent compensation picks are made up out of thin air.

But the point of a franchise tag is to make it difficult for another team to sign the player. If the picks weren't coming from the signing team, then they could sign away a tagged player for the cost of their contract offer and nothing more (assuming the original team didn't match the offer): there would be no (or little) disincentive and those players would basically be the same as regular free agents. Come to think of it, it would create some really weird incentives. Teams would put the non-exclusive tag on players they preferred to get rid of, so as to get those tasty first-rounders. But it would have to be somebody other teams would want, or you'd be wasting the tag.

 

[DanA]

It is a really weird rule though in that it punishes bad teams and allows good teams to get better (in theory). Has anyone actually gotten a player this way?

 

[JD_KaPow]

It is a really weird rule though in that it punishes bad teams and allows good teams to get better (in theory). Has anyone actually gotten a player this way?

How does it do that?

I honestly don't know if anyone's ever signed one of these players and given up the two picks. They often get traded while on the tag though, for less than two first-rounders.

 

[Ebnorice]

How does it do that?

I honestly don't know if anyone's ever signed one of these players and given up the two picks. They often get traded while on the tag though, for less than two first-rounders.

Didn’t Dallas sign Joey Galloway this way and then give up the two first rounders?

 

[JD_KaPow]

Didn’t Dallas sign Joey Galloway this way and then give up the two first rounders?

Apparently he was on the exclusive tag, so they had to work out the deal separately. But thank you very much for reopening that wound.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/2000/0203/332992.html

 

[xwalker]

So... if a team does a non-exclusive tag, where the player can negotiate with other teams. The player receives an offer, and the team holding the tag doesn't match it.... Where do the 2 first round picks come from?

Obviously it can't be from the same draft. It the 1st round pick from that team for the next 2 drafts.

FYI, teams can trade exclusive tag players that have not signed the tag. The team would give another team permission to work out a contract with the player. Once the player and that team agreed on a contract, the player would sign the tag and the trade would happen. The new team would immediately sign the player to the new contract. The deadline for that is July 15th.

 

[Pantone282C]

Obviously it can't be from the same draft. It the 1st round pick from that team for the next 2 drafts.

FYI, teams can trade exclusive tag players that have not signed the tag. The team would give another team permission to work out a contract with the player. Once the player and that team agreed on a contract, the player would sign the tag and the trade would happen. The new team would immediately sign the player to the new contract. The deadline for that is July 15th.

A defacto trade - a gentleman's agreement that everyone follows through with the agreed upon terms?

 

[xwalker]

A defacto trade - a gentleman's agreement that everyone follows through with the agreed upon terms?

Trades must be approved by the league. It would be very difficult for a team to get a player to sign the tag and then back out of the trade. The NFL has digression to not allow that to happen.

 

[Pantone282C]

Trades must be approved by the league. It would be very difficult for a team to get a player to sign the tag and then back out of the trade. The NFL has digression to not allow that to happen.

So, it's not a frequent thing, to say the least. Just not well known. Besides, that's a lot of swag - not too many teams want to do that.