Franchise tag questions

[Richmond Cowboy]

If a player is tagged, can the tag be removed at any point thereafter?

If a player is tagged and said player is suspended by the league before the start of the season, does the player's salary count against the cap?

 

[xwalker]

If a player is tagged, can the tag be removed at any point thereafter?

If a player is tagged and said player is suspended by the league before the start of the season, does the player's salary count against the cap?

The tag can be removed up until the time the player signs it.

Greg Hardy was on the commissioner's exempt list last year and received his full pay under the franchise tag. He did count against the cap. It's an odd situation because normally players that are suspended, don't get paid and don't count against the cap.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

If a player is tagged, the team can remove it before it is signed. Once signed, it's a contract that counts against the cap.

 

[xwalker]

If a player is tagged, the team can remove it before it is signed. Once signed, it's a contract that counts against the cap.

It counts against the cap immediately. When the playere signs it, then it is locked in and can't be rescinded.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

It counts against the cap immediately. When the playere signs it, then it is locked in and can't be rescinded.

You are correct. But if it is rescinded, then the team gets it back. Therefore making it actually count once it is signed.

 

[Nightman]

You are correct. But if it is rescinded, then the team gets it back. Therefore making it actually count once it is signed.

What you are saying is that the team has to have the cap room to even offer the tag and keep the room available until it is officially signed. Once the tag is signed the cap money is officially allocated. If it is rescinded then they cap hold goes away.

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

Good info. Thanks guys.

 

[jazzcat22]

What if a player is tagged for $12 million, the player signs it, but a new long term contract is signed right before, or during the season. Is the cap then adjusted to the new terms, or does it remain for the entire year.

And the new long term deal with a lower base pay and prorated signing bonus for the first year is $6 million, do they get $6 million is cap back.

 

[MonsterD]

What if a player is tagged for $12 million, the player signs it, but a new long term contract is signed right before, or during the season. Is the cap then adjusted to the new terms, or does it remain for the entire year.

And the new long term deal with a lower base pay and prorated signing bonus for the first year is $6 million, do they get $6 million is cap back.

The 12 million would go into the signing bonus/guaranteed money for the new contract. Yes the cap hit would be less for that year unless it were structured in a really bizarre way.

 

[Nightman]

What if a player is tagged for $12 million, the player signs it, but a new long term contract is signed right before, or during the season. Is the cap then adjusted to the new terms, or does it remain for the entire year.

And the new long term deal with a lower base pay and prorated signing bonus for the first year is $6 million, do they get $6 million is cap back.

It would get adjusted immediately.

The latest they can agree to a new deal is July 15th though. After that he either has to sign the tag or agree to a one year deal max.

 

[xwalker]

You are correct. But if it is rescinded, then the team gets it back. Therefore making it actually count once it is signed.

No, you are misleading people if you say that it does not count against the cap until it is signed.

 

[Crown Royal]

The tag can be removed up until the time the player signs it.

Greg Hardy was on the commissioner's exempt list last year and received his full pay under the franchise tag. He did count against the cap. It's an odd situation because normally players that are suspended, don't get paid and don't count against the cap.

So...basically Goodell punished the Panthers and not Greg Hardy?

 

[joseephuss]

So...basically Goodell punished the Panthers and not Greg Hardy?

No, the Panthers and Hardy chose to have Hardy placed on the exempt/permission list.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

No, you are misleading people if you say that it does not count against the cap until it is signed.

How am I misleading? If the Cowboys only had $5mil of cap space and tagged Bryant at the expected price of $12.7mil, Bryant can sign it today. Teams dont have to be under the cap till March 10th.

Or they can offer him a contract that pays $100mil in the first season and if he agrees then cut players before it is signed.

Only thing that you and I are saying different is that you believe they must have cap room to even offer a contract or to use the tag. I am saying that neither counts against the cap until it is part of the cap as in a signed document.

Am I wrong?

 

[xwalker]

How am I misleading? If the Cowboys only had $5mil of cap space and tagged Bryant at the expected price of $12.7mil, Bryant can sign it today. Teams dont have to be under the cap till March 10th.

Or they can offer him a contract that pays $100mil in the first season and if he agrees then cut players before it is signed.

Only thing that you and I are saying different is that you believe they must have cap room to even offer a contract or to use the tag. I am saying that neither counts against the cap until it is part of the cap as in a signed document.

Am I wrong?

1. All teams must be under the cap by March 10th.
2. Any franchised players will count against the cap regardless of whether the player has signed the franchise tag or not.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Question: Who have been our last few franchised players? Interested to see how it turned out.

 

[Nightman]

Question: Who have been our last few franchised players? Interested to see how it turned out.

Dallas used it in 2002 on Flozell Adams, he signed a 5 year deal the nest offseason
In 2008 they tagged Ken Hamlin but he signed an extension before camp even started
In 2012 they tagged Anthony Spencer for 8.8m and he had a career year
They tagged him again in 2103 for 10.6m and he got hurt and missed 15 games

Generally it has worked out pretty well.
Dez would get 12.7m or Demarco would get 10.8m for 2015.
I would rather sign both long term and lower their cap hit.

 

[Nation]

You are correct. But if it is rescinded, then the team gets it back. Therefore making it actually count once it is signed.

But it still "counts" in the period where it has been given and not yet signed. If the Cowboys tag a player for 13M on March 2nd, the cap year starts March 10th, and the player doesn't sign the tag until June 15th, the Cowboys still have that 13M applied to their salary cap from March 10th to June 15th regardless of whether or not the player has signed the franchised contract yet.

 

[Nation]

What if a player is tagged for $12 million, the player signs it, but a new long term contract is signed right before, or during the season. Is the cap then adjusted to the new terms, or does it remain for the entire year.

And the new long term deal with a lower base pay and prorated signing bonus for the first year is $6 million, do they get $6 million is cap back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the scenario you're asking about is:

1. Team issues a franchise tag at the start of the period for 12M, which on March 10th means they have a 12M salary cap figure applied
2. The player does not sign the franchise tag, but does agree to a new long term deal prior to July 15
3. The terms of that long term deal result in something like a 25M bonus with a 1M year one salary, resulting in a 6M cap hit from that contract for 2015

In that instance, No, the 12M figure does not apply to the salary cap in any sort of way. The figure would not be 12+6=18M for 2015, it would just be the $6M from the new contract.

 

[Questfor6]

So...basically Goodell punished the Panthers and not Greg Hardy?

Panthers punished themselves by signing Williams and Stewart to absurd deals to split carries. Jordan Gross surprise retirement didn't help them much either