Frederick is not a center

[RS12]

Needs to be LG, you dont draft RG round 1.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

:laugh2:

love to know what gives u the impression that hes not real strong

His performance at the Combine. He only pushed up 21 reps. That is the lowest number of reps by any of the top rated OG/C prospects with the exception of Winters, who was injured and Barrett, also injured and didn't lift.

Also, I've watched him play. He has some lower body strength but it's primarily with push forward and not laterally. When he plays against stronger quicker DTs, he has issues keeping them out of his body and as a result, he loses leverage. He can be neutralized because he doesn't move laterally well and he isn't strong enough to prevent them from taking him to his off shoulder and penetrating. He needs to get stronger in his upperbody so that he can effectively use his reach to maintain leverage points.

Now you know.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

His performance at the Combine. He only pushed up 21 reps. That is the lowest number of reps by any of the top rated OG/C prospects with the exception of Winters, who was injured and Barrett, also injured and didn't lift.

Also, I've watched him play. He has some lower body strength but it's primarily with push forward and not laterally. When he plays against stronger quicker DTs, he has issues keeping them out of his body and as a result, he loses leverage. He can be neutralized because he doesn't move laterally well and he isn't strong enough to prevent them from taking him to his off shoulder and penetrating. He needs to get stronger in his upperbody so that he can effectively use his reach to maintain leverage points.

Now you know.

i know your opinion now.. thank you.

 

[CowboysPhan]

Per his interview when he was picked, at Wisconsin he said they train doing high weight and few reps, fwiw.

 

[burmafrd]

I could care less about the combine- bench press is a joke.

What I saw in games makes the strength argument frankly immaterial.

He is strong enough and will get stronger.


He is massively strong in the lower body which is much harder to build up then the upper body.

I saw very few times when he was outmanned. Very few.

So the strength accusation is mostly BS.

 

[TheCount]

he can play center but he will be a guard--31 not a reach for a versatile lineman

Agreed. He doesn't pop off the screen at center, he does at guard.

 

[Verdict]

Anybody that liked Warmack and Fluker should like Frederick.

He had a slow forty like Warmack but appears to have good enough quickness in game footage.

He appears to be one of the stronger players in game footage, but like Fluker had a bad showing on the bench.

I'm really interested in your view of this pick. He seems way too slow to be a pulling guard. I think how we view him really impacts the draft going forward.

 

[boysfanindc]

I think for now he helps us a C more then guard, because of his ability at C to help the guards. He seems very effective at knowing where and when to help the guards.

 

[Dalmations202]

the title here is Frederick is not a Center.....

If he isn't a Center -- what is he -- about the 4-8 best Guard in the draft?

At guard -- Cooper, Warmack, maybe Fluker, Long wow - the list is long.
At center -- Frederick, Schwenke, and Barrett Jones seem to be the names with Frederick on top (at least by Dallas board).

Then why wouldn't he be considered a Center, and unless they did get Schwenke why would they consider him anything but a center?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We all know that he played Guard at Wisconsin, as well as Center. Even so, he did not carry a 1st round grade. Not because he has played both Guard and Center. That actually helped his grade. It's because he's slow and not real strong.

Not real strong?

Last thing I heard was the Jordan Hill 'dominated' him so I shouldn't be surprised.

Dude pancaked more DT in a game than Warmack did all year. Ran better than him too.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agreed. He doesn't pop off the screen at center, he does at guard.

I think that people should consider that Konz and Zeigler both left last year. UW guard play as well as the RT was not very good at all in the four games I watched.

Dude is slow pulling to the edge but so was Warmack but he was all world to most.

 

[jobberone]

Agree- his versatility makes him a better value than pugh or long who went a dozen picks higher

Yeah, unless they can play G and T.

 

[starfrombirth]

Barrett Jones... 2nd....ray:

 

[BAT]

he can play center but he will be a guard--31 not a reach for a versatile lineman

I disagree. His ability to punch a DL hard enough to stonewall him, sometimes even knock him to the ground, with ONE hand is special.

 

[jobberone]

Anybody that liked Warmack and Fluker should like Frederick.

He had a slow forty like Warmack but appears to have good enough quickness in game footage.

He appears to be one of the stronger players in game footage, but like Fluker had a bad showing on the bench.

This is what I was thinking. Fluker at C although Frederick has a good squat and gets in and out of his stance well. Somehow I don't see Fluker snapping the ball. But they are both slow with adequate feet and if they get their hands on you that's usually it.

 

[ghst187]

The good news is that our center and guards were all underwhelming last year, so he will be an improvement no matter where he ends up.

exactly. Frankly though, I tend to want the computer programmer/engineer type calling the shots for the OL

 

[Wood]

I think he can pick the spot he wants to play (G or C) and become the starter almost instantly.

 

[sbark]

Not real strong?

Last thing I heard was the Jordan Hill 'dominated' him so I shouldn't be surprised.

Dude pancaked more DT in a game than Warmack did all year. Ran better than him too.

Lots of confliciting reports....in a earlier thread the word was that his forte' is to be able to handle 3-4 NT one on one......which if so, center would be his spot considering the number of 3/4 at present.

 

[jrumann59]

The opinion of many front offices including Baltimore who I think is one of the smartest front offices around felt the real 1st round were picks 1-15 after that it was just an extended 2nd round where the actual depth of the draft is at picks 16-48

 

[kirkjrk]

I agree that he does look better at guard but I'm not sure the Cowboys put him there.

I think, if they don't get a guard in FA, they will be forced to start him out at Guard.