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I really like when Collinsworth calls Cowboys games. He knows the team and players and when guys play well in the game he points them out. He will call out bad play as well when it happens. When it comes to getting the most out of a national telecast from a Cowboys perspective I don't think anyone is better than Collinsworth in terms of learning and seeing the game.

Marinelli blitzed a lot and in particular in the late third early fourth when the Saints

Tyrone Crawford has been getting pressure the entire year but this time Collinsworth pointed it out in the telecast. He was able to use his quickness to beat perhaps the best OG tandem in the NFL throughout the game. He also surprised me with how well he was able to stack and hold the poa against those two guys. I didn't see him get double teamed so I need to go back and look to see but watching him hold the poa against Grubbs and Evans was impressive. He played both DT positions as well he started the game line up in the A gap next to Selvie. He played outside on the 3 man rush and got pressure beating the LT. Great game and he was our top DL.

I thought Selvie had a really good game controlling the los. He isn't quick enough to blow past guy but he stacks and steers as he moves upfield such that he dictates the flow of action. He sheds when he needs to and I get the impression that his shoulder is feeling better and getting stronger. His frame is long and he uses it to his advantage keeping the punch away. I see people reacting to sack totals but I think Selvie is a big reason why throughout the game we are controlling the line of scrimmage. He is stunting through gaps, caving the edge and contributing.

Spencer got 20 plays give or take and showed he too can stack shed and tackle. I recently watched a lot of the 2012 season looking at Brent this offseason so I have a pretty good feel for what he was. He still instinctively fights off OT hands when they try and punch. Crawford needs to watch it because he moves his feet, bends, and hand fights in unison as he rushes. He seemed to start of really well and the wear down a bit. In the middle of the game they were using him standing up like a 3-4 OLB. He looked poorest from the two point stance. He came back in the nickel late in the game and showed better burst out of a three point stance. Physically he is not overmatched. His third play from scrimmage he rode the OT on a stretch play shed him like it was nothing and made the tackle for no gain. Spencer can still shed blocks like nobody's business. He did look stiff, a bit awkward in his technique, and played too upright too often. It was not all roses. He looked bad standing up and just got moved at will. It will be interesting to see his development from week to week as he knocks off the rust and rounds into whatever form his capable of.

Watching Bishop stack double teams makes me smile. He would stand a guy up and I would rewind the play and make the room watch him snap his guy back two or three times while I bellow, "STAND HIM UP, KEN! STAND HIM UP!" He was held by that center a couple times. His rip looks like Melton. He was able to turn the C in the A gap a few times to good effect. His technique in stunting and twisting off the line has also come a long way since PS. He cuts over sharply and identifies and attacks the gap. Brees gets rid of the ball quickly but Cowboys line stunts got Ken in Brees face twice in the first series in the second half. As he embraces the system so the system embraces him. He doesn't have real long arms which limits him from swimming over guys. He doesn't have the advantage that Coleman and Crawford have inside but I am curious what his ceiling is. He will use his arms to try and ride and swim like Coleman learned to do in the PS now when he can but often he has to bring his hands inside and fight. He swam Grubbs once but you can see when he is stacking he is not over top in control on the pads often. Instead his is having to hand fight underneath and inside. He looks like a poor man's jernigan at this point and has a long way to go rushing the passer. If he can get even stronger in the offseason coming out of a small school like he did I like his chances. He takes to coaching well.

Melton didn't play much. He was moving real well but there were certain ranges in his motion that he had a hitch in his giddyup and it would give him fits at times. He played through it but he was clearly playing hurt. He was effective but no the force attacking gaps that he can be when he is really on.

I like Mincey's game he is not a dynamic playmaker but he plays within himself and plays his butt off. He fights and when he gets beat he comes back that much harder. I can respect that.

Hayden is playing his best football right now. Teams are still content to single team him but he is winning the battles he is given as often as not. I anticipate the defensive snap counts in the coming days because although Hayden is starting, Bishop is taking more and more snaps. The more you limit Hayden's snaps the more effective he is.

Edwards keeps getting snaps. I had to look him up to get a better perspective on who he is. 2012 mid round pick out of PSU. Ran good but not great. He does look good not great when he rushes upfield. Does a decent job getting off blocks in the run . Lacks pass rush moves and his awareness and football IQ were exploited by Brees and co during the comeback. He got turned around due to misdirection twice. Churnable in year 3.

The DL as a whole is an interesting group. For the game is started off as Selvie Crawford Hayden Mincey as the first team and Spencer Bishop Melton Edwards. Both lines were effective in the first half. The second group struggled in the second half when Spencer and Melton wore down. Edwards was exploited. Marinelli adjusted and responded with Bishop Crawford in the middle and 3 man rushes. He has them dropping into zones a lot and they are not very good at it right now. they look like a team of 2013 Cam Lawrences watching routes completed around them and then giving chase. The other units got better so maybe they can too but right now the call is brutal when DL are in coverage. I don't care if it's Mincey in the flat or Hayden in the middle of the field. Brees read it and completed it.
 

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Possibly one of the best DL writeups Ive seen in a while.

On Bishops cieling:

Physically he is what he is. Not much room for growth there. However his game has become much more diverse since the draft amd TC when he was looked as jumbo package run defender with no pass rush ability. Players who take well to coaching and work extremely hard have no cieling
 

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I saw Melton playing stading up against the Rams too. I thought it was because of his injury but I guess it's what Rod has his DTs do at times.
 

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You mixed up Lavar Edwards for Jack Crawford. Edwards was inactive. Crawford was the DE largely responsible for Robinson's big run late in the game. Thanks for the write-up, though.
 

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I agree about Collinsworth. This site has been conventionally against him, but he is a tell it like it is kind of guy. That crack he made about Brill Garrett was funny.
 

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I agree about Collinsworth. This site has been conventionally against him, but he is a tell it like it is kind of guy. That crack he made about Brill Garrett was funny.

For my money NBC's two-man team is comfortably the best booth. Especially compared to Fox's and CBS' number one teams.
 

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You mixed up Lavar Edwards for Jack Crawford. Edwards was inactive. Crawford was the DE largely responsible for Robinson's big run late in the game. Thanks for the write-up, though.

Yeah they are the bubble guys for that last DL spot and I transpose them in my mind because they are both on the bubble.
 

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Possibly one of the best DL writeups Ive seen in a while.

On Bishops cieling:

Physically he is what he is. Not much room for growth there. However his game has become much more diverse since the draft amd TC when he was looked as jumbo package run defender with no pass rush ability. Players who take well to coaching and work extremely hard have no cieling

I am not sold on that he is at his physical ceiling. He came out of a small if up and coming school in NIU. I find it hard to believe that an NFL training offseason wouldn't be above and beyond what he has gotten to this point. He to my eyes has a bit of a bad body and a small school facilities and program are what they are. Nutrition is also huge.
 

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Bishop's arm length is listed 32 3/4. That's not bad for an interior lineman. Coleman is 31 1/4 and Melton 32 1/2
 
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Bishop's arm length is listed 32 3/4. That's not bad for an interior lineman.

Sure but it is what most OL are too. You have to rare sub 32" guy but most guys are right around there. Having 34" arms is a tremendous advantage inside. You can hold most all OG and C at arms length.

BTW do you have a good sight to find arm length for players that were not at the combine.
 

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You mixed up Lavar Edwards for Jack Crawford. Edwards was inactive. Crawford was the DE largely responsible for Robinson's big run late in the game. Thanks for the write-up, though.

Kyle Wilber missed the tackle on what should have been a 3-4 yd gain. His only defensive snap of the game.

Marinelli and Lett have a bunch of guys giving maximum effort. The key guys that have to emerge are Melton, Spencer, Crawford and later Lawrence. Been saying this since August. Those guys are needed to create negative plays. The other guys like Mincey, McClain, Selvie and Hayden(Brent) will do the grunt work.
 

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I am not sold on that he is at his physical ceiling. He came out of a small if up and coming school in NIU. I find it hard to believe that an NFL training offseason wouldn't be above and beyond what he has gotten to this point. He to my eyes has a bit of a bad body and a small school facilities and program are what they are. Nutrition is also huge.

Yea I can see Bishop as solid rotational guy here out. and Thanks for your great write ups .Your a starter hope you dont tire out
 

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That boils down to an active and aggressive group. Then enough depth to keep it moving. Now, I'm hoping for some outside push up by Spencer and Lawrence when the time arrives.
 

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I really like when Collinsworth calls Cowboys games. He knows the team and players and when guys play well in the game he points them out. He will call out bad play as well when it happens. When it comes to getting the most out of a national telecast from a Cowboys perspective I don't think anyone is better than Collinsworth in terms of learning and seeing the game.

Marinelli blitzed a lot and in particular in the late third early fourth when the Saints

Tyrone Crawford has been getting pressure the entire year but this time Collinsworth pointed it out in the telecast. He was able to use his quickness to beat perhaps the best OG tandem in the NFL throughout the game. He also surprised me with how well he was able to stack and hold the poa against those two guys. I didn't see him get double teamed so I need to go back and look to see but watching him hold the poa against Grubbs and Evans was impressive. He played both DT positions as well he started the game line up in the A gap next to Selvie. He played outside on the 3 man rush and got pressure beating the LT. Great game and he was our top DL.

I thought Selvie had a really good game controlling the los. He isn't quick enough to blow past guy but he stacks and steers as he moves upfield such that he dictates the flow of action. He sheds when he needs to and I get the impression that his shoulder is feeling better and getting stronger. His frame is long and he uses it to his advantage keeping the punch away. I see people reacting to sack totals but I think Selvie is a big reason why throughout the game we are controlling the line of scrimmage. He is stunting through gaps, caving the edge and contributing.

Spencer got 20 plays give or take and showed he too can stack shed and tackle. I recently watched a lot of the 2012 season looking at Brent this offseason so I have a pretty good feel for what he was. He still instinctively fights off OT hands when they try and punch. Crawford needs to watch it because he moves his feet, bends, and hand fights in unison as he rushes. He seemed to start of really well and the wear down a bit. In the middle of the game they were using him standing up like a 3-4 OLB. He looked poorest from the two point stance. He came back in the nickel late in the game and showed better burst out of a three point stance. Physically he is not overmatched. His third play from scrimmage he rode the OT on a stretch play shed him like it was nothing and made the tackle for no gain. Spencer can still shed blocks like nobody's business. He did look stiff, a bit awkward in his technique, and played too upright too often. It was not all roses. He looked bad standing up and just got moved at will. It will be interesting to see his development from week to week as he knocks off the rust and rounds into whatever form his capable of.

Watching Bishop stack double teams makes me smile. He would stand a guy up and I would rewind the play and make the room watch him snap his guy back two or three times while I bellow, "STAND HIM UP, KEN! STAND HIM UP!" He was held by that center a couple times. His rip looks like Melton. He was able to turn the C in the A gap a few times to good effect. His technique in stunting and twisting off the line has also come a long way since PS. He cuts over sharply and identifies and attacks the gap. Brees gets rid of the ball quickly but Cowboys line stunts got Ken in Brees face twice in the first series in the second half. As he embraces the system so the system embraces him. He doesn't have real long arms which limits him from swimming over guys. He doesn't have the advantage that Coleman and Crawford have inside but I am curious what his ceiling is. He will use his arms to try and ride and swim like Coleman learned to do in the PS now when he can but often he has to bring his hands inside and fight. He swam Grubbs once but you can see when he is stacking he is not over top in control on the pads often. Instead his is having to hand fight underneath and inside. He looks like a poor man's jernigan at this point and has a long way to go rushing the passer. If he can get even stronger in the offseason coming out of a small school like he did I like his chances. He takes to coaching well.

Melton didn't play much. He was moving real well but there were certain ranges in his motion that he had a hitch in his giddyup and it would give him fits at times. He played through it but he was clearly playing hurt. He was effective but no the force attacking gaps that he can be when he is really on.

I like Mincey's game he is not a dynamic playmaker but he plays within himself and plays his butt off. He fights and when he gets beat he comes back that much harder. I can respect that.

Hayden is playing his best football right now. Teams are still content to single team him but he is winning the battles he is given as often as not. I anticipate the defensive snap counts in the coming days because although Hayden is starting, Bishop is taking more and more snaps. The more you limit Hayden's snaps the more effective he is.

Edwards keeps getting snaps. I had to look him up to get a better perspective on who he is. 2012 mid round pick out of PSU. Ran good but not great. He does look good not great when he rushes upfield. Does a decent job getting off blocks in the run . Lacks pass rush moves and his awareness and football IQ were exploited by Brees and co during the comeback. He got turned around due to misdirection twice. Churnable in year 3.

The DL as a whole is an interesting group. For the game is started off as Selvie Crawford Hayden Mincey as the first team and Spencer Bishop Melton Edwards. Both lines were effective in the first half. The second group struggled in the second half when Spencer and Melton wore down. Edwards was exploited. Marinelli adjusted and responded with Bishop Crawford in the middle and 3 man rushes. He has them dropping into zones a lot and they are not very good at it right now. they look like a team of 2013 Cam Lawrences watching routes completed around them and then giving chase. The other units got better so maybe they can too but right now the call is brutal when DL are in coverage. I don't care if it's Mincey in the flat or Hayden in the middle of the field. Brees read it and completed it.

Good writeup.
 
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