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[ThreeSportStar80]

Newman is 5'11, closer to 6 ft which isn't bad for a CB however Glenn is like 5'9 on his best day I believe.. Newman also has an outstanding verticle. I don't like the idea of Glenn covering taller WR's like Roy Williams either but sometimes you can't avoid it...

*F.Y.I. Roy is better than Plaxico to be fair

 

[WoodysGirl]

Newman is 5'11, closer to 6 ft which isn't bad for a CB however Glenn is like 5'9 on his best day I believe.. Newman also has an outstanding verticle. I don't like the idea of Glenn covering taller WR's like Roy Williams either but sometimes you can't avoid it...

*F.Y.I. Roy is better than Plaxico to be fair

He's 5'11" rounded up. He's still considered a small corner. The magic number to be considered a big corner is 6'. Newman can't round up to 6'. He can round up to 5'11. Like you said, his vertical is outstanding, but it doesn't make him taller.

Roy W. 6'2"
Plax 6'5"

Big wide receivers who can get off the line by being physical. Plax is not better than Roy W, but he's not complete garbage either.

 

[Vintage]

IIRC, Newman was 5'10 3/4" of an inch at the combine.

At either rate, he is 5'11" for all intents and purposes.

And since plenty of CBs have rounded up heights, is one inch (to that supposed 6'0" 'good size' line) really matter much? Long arms would easily offset that. I'd prefer a 5'11" CB with the wingspan of someone who is 6'3" than a 6'0" CB with the winspan of someone who is 6'0".

Vertical jump helps....but since a CB doesn't jump on every pass defensed, its not entirely relevant. Something like wingspan is more relevant because a CB will have his arms up more than he jumps.

(BTW; I have no clue as to whether or not Newman has a long wingspan)

 

[WoodysGirl]

IIRC, Newman was 5'10 3/4" of an inch at the combine.

At either rate, he is 5'11" for all intents and purposes.

agree with that.

And since plenty of CBs have rounded up heights, is one inch (to that supposed 6'0" 'good size' line) really matter much?

Nope, not to me. But there are plenty on here who seem to think that one inch height difference is huge.

Long arms would easily offset that. I'd prefer a 5'11" CB with the wingspan of someone who is 6'3" than a 6'0" CB with the winspan of someone who is 6'0".

Vertical jump helps....but since a CB doesn't jump on every pass defensed, its not entirely relevant. Something like wingspan is more relevant because a CB will have his arms up more than he jumps.

(BTW; I have no clue as to whether or not Newman has a long wingspan)

Since I happen to be on the page. Newman's NFL.com draft prospect profile. Don't know if his wing span is great or not.

CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
Timed at 4.38 in the 40-yard dash … 320-pound bench press … 780-pound safe squat … 329-pound power clean … 41½-inch vertical jump … 32-inch arm length … 8½-inch hands … Right-handed.

COMBINE AGILITY TESTS
ARM HAND TEST 40 20 10 225 VJ BJ SHUTTLE CONE
31 3/8 8¾ 18 4.37 2.61 1.56 41 11'4" 3.83 6.88

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/newman_terence

 

[Vintage]

agree with that.

Nope, not to me. But there are plenty on here who seem to think that one inch height difference is huge.

Since I happen to be on the page. Newman's NFL.com draft prospect profile. Don't know if his wing span is great or not.

CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
Timed at 4.38 in the 40-yard dash … 320-pound bench press … 780-pound safe squat … 329-pound power clean … 41½-inch vertical jump … 32-inch arm length … 8½-inch hands … Right-handed.

COMBINE AGILITY TESTS
ARM HAND TEST 40 20 10 225 VJ BJ SHUTTLE CONE
31 3/8 8¾ 18 4.37 2.61 1.56 41 11'4" 3.83 6.88

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/newman_terence

Thank you, I was looking for that...

Wish I had copied the link I found a couple of minutes ago, but it said Newman measured in at 5.10 3/8"

 

[arync]

the seattle game is on next sunday

 

[WoodysGirl]

the seattle game is on next sunday

ugh...will this offseason never end?! I swear they've replayed every game I've wanted to forget.

 

[sonnyboy]

When fans discuss past games I find they often fall into one or more traps. Here are two that I believe apply to the week 17 Detroit game.

1) They forget there are TWO teams on the filed. It's not all about your team. The other team is trying to win to. Sometimes they play very well and make superior plays.

2) You can't always judge a team by the whole body of work. Sometimes a teams recent level of play has dramatically changed from earlier on.

Kitna had an exceptional game. He wasn't just sitting back there with all day to pass, throwing to receivers wide open. We had good pressure most of the day. Kitna made some real nice plays under pressure. Plays you wouldn't expect most QB's to make. His receivers also made some real nice catches in tight coverage.

Detroit had played much much better ball the last month of the season. Especially on offense.
This improved play just didn't translate to any more wins. But they did play New England and Chicago very tough. Lost both games by only one score.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Can't wait untill the last game? Why not try it then and it gives the Seahags less time to prepare for the changes. POINT is that we tried different things on D and it did very little good.

All those that wanted us to try different things- would it have made any difference if we had tried it a couple of games earlier- say right after NO?
We would probably have done the same things we did vs Detroit. And probably had about as much success. What then? We tried different formations, blitzes, stunts, etc. Zimmer was allowed to try everything possible against Detroit and it did no good against a second rate at best offense.

Implementing defensive changes earlier may or may not have made a difference, but you're missing the point:

A team cannot simply rethink its defensive philosophy in week 16 of the regular season.

Such changes must be implemented and refined over time...in game situations. Why else would teams bother with training camps, minicamps, and OTAs, sweating away in two-a-days under the summer sun? Why else would teams play 4, and sometimes 5, preseason games? NFL schemes can be very complex things; therefore, practice and repitition are paramount.

 

[5Stars]

Well, one good thing to come out of this re-run of a game...my lawn sure looks nice!

 

[burmafrd]

Up through the Saints game we had a top 10 D. So why would anyone have tried anything before then?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Implementing defensive changes earlier may or may not have made a difference, but you're missing the point:

A team cannot simply rethink its defensive philosophy in week 16 of the regular season.

Such changes must be implemented and refined over time...in game situations. Why else would teams bother with training camps, minicamps, and OTAs, sweating away in two-a-days under the summer sun? Why else would teams play 4, and sometimes 5, preseason games? NFL schemes can be very complex things; therefore, practice and repitition are paramount.

Exactly. That's why you can't look at this one game and say, "Well, we tried a different front/being more aggressive/letting the players have their way and we lost to the Lions, so don't expect Wade's changes to make any difference."

It's entirely different when a certain style is your basic philosophy and you've been extensively trained in it versus trying it as a desperation change-up.

 

[jterrell]

Point is that so many were ripping our coaching staff for not trying different things and when we did it pretty much fizzled.

I agree here 100%.

We tried all out pressure and it failed because we couldn't cover a lick.
Newman was burned, Henry was burned, if you played coverage you were burned badly.

It was rather disgusting especially for a defensive unit that wanted to pressure the passer. They didnt exactly back up their chatter.

I hope the guys here do pick up Wade's scheme and run with it, but a couple of these guys just offer no pass rush so nto sure what they'll do on passing downs other than head to the sideline.

I understand BP as villain but we have some player issues as well. The weight loss by the LBs should help and hopefully Canty/Spears have discovered a pass rush technique hidden away somewhere.

 

[burmafrd]

Still we did try things and they did not work. Does not give a whole lot of confidence that the SAME guys can make it work all that much better even given time to refine it. REMEMBER- this all came as a suprise to Detroit as well and they adjusted pretty good. WIth Ellis back, hopefully, and with Spencer, I think we can do better- but I really doubt that we could have done much more then we did last year with the people we had then.

 

[jterrell]

Exactly. That's why you can't look at this one game and say, "Well, we tried a different front/being more aggressive/letting the players have their way and we lost to the Lions, so don't expect Wade's changes to make any difference."

It's entirely different when a certain style is your basic philosophy and you've been extensively trained in it versus trying it as a desperation change-up.

The problem with that argument in my eyes is it did work to get to the passer. We had constant pressure and lots of sacks. We just couldn't cover which indicated physical issues, not systemic ones.

We were basically in man coverage so it wasn't confusion just failure to run with guys. Mike friggin Furrey....

 

[AsthmaField]

Mike friggin Furrey....

:laugh1:

I feel that way too.

 

[Green28]

I still don,t get why 5'9" aaron glenn would covering Roy williams on the 2 td's? put your best corner on their best wr!

Maybe the coaching staff wanted to boost T "only given up 1 TD ever" Newman's metrics

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

When fans discuss past games I find they often fall into one or more traps. Here are two that I believe apply to the week 17 Detroit game.

1) They forget there are TWO teams on the filed. It's not all about your team. The other team is trying to win to. Sometimes they play very well and make superior plays.

2) You can't always judge a team by the whole body of work. Sometimes a teams recent level of play has dramatically changed from earlier on.

Kitna had an exceptional game. He wasn't just sitting back there with all day to pass, throwing to receivers wide open. We had good pressure most of the day. Kitna made some real nice plays under pressure. Plays you wouldn't expect most QB's to make. His receivers also made some real nice catches in tight coverage.

Detroit had played much much better ball the last month of the season. Especially on offense.
This improved play just didn't translate to any more wins. But they did play New England and Chicago very tough. Lost both games by only one score.

Totally get your point and it would make me feel better if it weren't the Lions that we lost to at home with the Division Title still a possibility. A team that, with a loss, might have ended up with the number one pick in the NFL draft. Their offense was in the bottom third of the league and gave up the second most sacks in the league. They were improved and always played hard, but that was a game that a playoff contending team should have won.

I can't wait for 2007 to kick off so that I can erase that whole last month of the season.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I stayed up late last night to watch the re-run of the re-run. What I saw was a concerted effort by the defense to blitz up the middle.

It was a complete failure because as has always been the way under Parcells and Zimmer, our bliztes calls for the blitzers to run straight into a blocker, instead of finding a path of least resistance. James and Ayodele got stoned every time they tried blizting. I have never understood why our defense never got a clean shot at the QB when blitzing, like other teams do.

And all this happened while the Lions were starting 3 second stringers on the OL, one of which left the game injured and was replaced by a guy named Strickhorn, who had never played an NFL game. Again, a coaching staff not taking advantage of an inexperience OL.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Maybe the coaching staff wanted to boost T "only given up 1 TD ever" Newman's metrics

Newman stunk it up pretty good that day (pass interference that negated a touchdown, muffed punt, got burned by Mike Williams for a score), so it is questionable if it would have mattered. Probably the worst game he has played as a Pro.