Game Review - Green

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I reviewed all of Green's snaps. I also went back and reviewed some of Tyron's game footage fir comparison.

Green had 2 primary technique issues.

Lack of width in set
If you draw a line from the outside pass rusher to the QB, the OTs head should be on or outside of that line. Green was inside the line.

His set was too much backward and not enough to the outside. If the DE had been in a normal alignment, then his foot work would have been correct but against the wide-9 he didn't get wide enough.

If you watch Tyron against a wide aligned pass rusher, he takes a wider but less deep angle (3-4 OLBs are often in a similar location to the wide-9 DE).

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Green gets his outside hand out wide and up.

Tyron keeps his outside hand inside and low.

Clayborn would do a stutter step timing his move and would slap down Green's outside arm. Clayborn did this with his inside arm but was also at times able to follow that with a 2nd move using his outside arm to again displace Green's outside arm.

Tyron will bring his inside arm around for initial contact and then punch with his low outside hand. The timing of the punch is the key. Too soon and the pass rusher can slap it down. Too late and the pass rusher is already too far past.

I didn't see any sign of Green being too slow. The location of his set was wrong regardless of speed of execution.

Clayborn also had a little jump-step move similar to some RBs. He would time it together with his move to slap down Green's outside arm and it would propell him past Green. A similar move against Tyron would likely result in Clayborn being on his backside.

I think Green will be better if he plays against the Eagles. They just have to have him practice against different (wide or tight) alignments.

I doubt they have him do it, but a simple fix against the wide alignment would be to have Green align wider himself. Even an extra 6 inches might have solved the Clayborn issue. Teams would exploit the extra space if they did it all the time, but for 1 week he could probably get by with it.

I still think Green would be OK againt regular (non-wide) alignments but why would any team do that now that his struggles against the wide-9 are on film.

They did give Green some help but not often. I think they were worried about what the Falcons would do on the other side. Their best pass rusher plays on the defensive Left against the RT and they often line up a LB outside of the LDE that will rush more often than most 4-3 LBs.

The failure to establish the run was a big part of the problem. The wide-9 has a big space in ths middle of the line and should be vulnerable in run defense. Running right at Clayborn would have been helpful also but without Zeke they seemed limited.

Summary: I think Green will be much better if he plays this week but there are a lot of levels between last week and a good performance. They need to establish the run..
 

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In the Strum review of Green, Sturm writes of the success the Cowboys had in their 2 and 3TE running plays against the Falcons.

Was Green a liability in those plays?
 

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Good analysis. What I can figure out is (for example his last sack allowed), he was given inside help by Cooper. He knew, or should have known this. Why didn't he adjust his location? His only responsibility was to defend the edge and still got beat.
 

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I felt the team should have attack the side Clayborn was at. It would kept him from trying to rush all the time. I think Green will bounce back if not then yeah cut him he's done.
 

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In the Strum review of Green, Sturm writes of the success the Cowboys had in their 2 and 3TE running plays against the Falcons.

Was Green a liability in those plays?
No, he was OK in the running game and I don't recall any pass protection problems when a TE was on his side.
 

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Good analysis. What I can figure out is (for example his last sack allowed), he was given inside help by Cooper. He knew, or should have known this. Why didn't he adjust his location? His only responsibility was to defend the edge and still got beat.
No, that was not planned help like Aikman claimed.

The 3 other Falcons DL all lined up on the opposite side of the Center. That caused Cooper to be free to help Green but Green did not know ahead of time that he would get help. It would be almost impossible to plan for the OG to definitely give Green help on any specific pass play. They can do it on run plays but not really on pass plays.

I think Green didn't want to deviate from the technique he had used in the past. Coaches don't like to force too much technique change during a game. Pro Golfers don't alter their swing during a round even if they're not playing well. They wait and make changes on the driving range.
 

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Good point. I was assuming that was the line call given by Freddy seeing the D alignment, and that Chaz knew he had help.

edit: I hope the Boyz make changes at the driving range too.;)
 
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I think Green didn't want to deviate from the technique he had used in the past. Coaches don't like to force too much technique change during a game. Pro Golfers don't alter their swing during a round even if they're not playing well. They wait and make changes on the driving range.

Excellent observation. If this was true, then the obvious change would have been for Green to move a bit outside to gain some advantage on the outside rush. The really bad part of this is Clayborn only has one move, but it was enough.
 

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So your saying there's a chance? ....The guy got stuck on something mechanically and was left on an island. Sometimes you can't correct until after the game.

I've been in many state amateur golf tournaments and when something mechanically goes wrong...you're on your own, on an island and it's a terrible, terrible feeling. Especially if it's a bad hook, lol. On the other hand sometimes these things resolve themselves very easily. Green may spot it on tape immediately and correct it.

I think the bigger problem with this guy is his injuries, we'll see what happens.
 

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He is leading with his head.... That's not gonna correct itself unless the player has the will.

Again, since the 2nd half of the 3rd game, he has regressed to this point. He played the same way at LG, in that 2nd half{3rd game} , as he did this past Sunday.

It's mental with him.... I'm telling y'all- something has happened to Chaz

The regress from the 1st game to the 3rd game is mind boggling...... He has simply quit
 

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They needed to motion a TE or have a slot receiver crack block Claiborn several times. They also could have try to run McFadden to his side to take advantage of the wide alignment. McFadden has the speed to take advantage of that alignment. Something simple as that would have helped Green.
 

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Well that's good....isn't Philly like the #1 rush defense?? :(
 

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Well that's good....isn't Philly like the #1 rush defense?? :(


We need Tyron to play and we need to keep their offense off the field.

Dallas is a completely different team when we go up early and get a stop.

If we go up 7 and then get a stop we'll probably win easy.
 

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I reviewed all of Green's snaps. I also went back and reviewed some of Tyron's game footage fir comparison.

Green had 2 primary technique issues.

Lack of width in set
If you draw a line from the outside pass rusher to the QB, the OTs head should be on or outside of that line. Green was inside the line.

His set was too much backward and not enough to the outside. If the DE had been in a normal alignment, then his foot work would have been correct but against the wide-9 he didn't get wide enough.

If you watch Tyron against a wide aligned pass rusher, he takes a wider but less deep angle (3-4 OLBs are often in a similar location to the wide-9 DE).

Hands
Green gets his outside hand out wide and up.

Tyron keeps his outside hand inside and low.

Clayborn would do a stutter step timing his move and would slap down Green's outside arm. Clayborn did this with his inside arm but was also at times able to follow that with a 2nd move using his outside arm to again displace Green's outside arm.

Tyron will bring his inside arm around for initial contact and then punch with his low outside hand. The timing of the punch is the key. Too soon and the pass rusher can slap it down. Too late and the pass rusher is already too far past.

I didn't see any sign of Green being too slow. The location of his set was wrong regardless of speed of execution.

Clayborn also had a little jump-step move similar to some RBs. He would time it together with his move to slap down Green's outside arm and it would propell him past Green. A similar move against Tyron would likely result in Clayborn being on his backside.

I think Green will be better if he plays against the Eagles. They just have to have him practice against different (wide or tight) alignments.

I doubt they have him do it, but a simple fix against the wide alignment would be to have Green align wider himself. Even an extra 6 inches might have solved the Clayborn issue. Teams would exploit the extra space if they did it all the time, but for 1 week he could probably get by with it.

I still think Green would be OK againt regular (non-wide) alignments but why would any team do that now that his struggles against the wide-9 are on film.

They did give Green some help but not often. I think they were worried about what the Falcons would do on the other side. Their best pass rusher plays on the defensive Left against the RT and they often line up a LB outside of the LDE that will rush more often than most 4-3 LBs.

The failure to establish the run was a big part of the problem. The wide-9 has a big space in ths middle of the line and should be vulnerable in run defense. Running right at Clayborn would have been helpful also but without Zeke they seemed limited.

Summary: I think Green will be much better if he plays this week but there are a lot of levels between last week and a good performance. They need to establish the run..
Smith has a bigger set of balls, too!!! LOL
 

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Still ridiculous that this staff didn’t know ATL would employ nine wide technique and plan for it. Even more ridiculous they couldn’t adjust when they saw what was happening
 

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Great post. Thanks.
Dak needs to sense when to slide up, too. I am not sure if it was the case in all the pressures/sacks, but the interior was clean on some I can remember.
 
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