Gardenhire wins AL MOY

[ajk23az]

GO TWINS!! Gardy deserves this.

1. Gardenhire (108 points)
2. Washington (81 points)
3. Maddon (44 points)
4. Francona (13 points)


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[Stautner]

Damn. Gardenhire is hard to complain about, but considering Washington got the Rangers to a place they hadn't been in 12 years i thought he should have got it. Hell they won the bulk of the season without a single starting pitcher that was proven going into this year. Hardin was hurt the bulk of the year, Lee came in the 2nd half, and Feldman couldn't recreate the year he had last season. Plus 2 of their star players, Cruz and Kinsler, missed huge parts of the season, and their top player, Hamilton, missed a month down the stretch. On top of that, 1st Base was never a settled position throughout the entire regular season. This is a lot for a manager to deal with and still get a team to the playoffs that hadn't been their in 12 years.

 

[TheCowboy]

Ron Washington should have got it. GO RANGERS

 

[tko112204]

Damn. Gardenhire is hard to complain about, but considering Washington got the Rangers to a place they hadn't been in 12 years i thought he should have got it. Hell they won the bulk of the season without a single starting pitcher that was proven going into this year. Hardin was hurt the bulk of the year, Lee came in the 2nd half, and Feldman couldn't recreate the year he had last season. Plus 2 of their star players, Cruz and Kinsler, missed huge parts of the season, and their top player, Hamilton, missed a month down the stretch. On top of that, 1st Base was never a settled position throughout the entire regular season. This is a lot for a manager to deal with and still get a team to the playoffs that hadn't been their in 12 years.

Those arguments can all be made for Gardenhire too. And he won a slightly tougher division. I think either was a fine choice. I was sure it would be closer though.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Gardenhire won seven more games than the previous year. Washington only won three more. Washington got to the World Series his first time in the playoffs. Gardenhire has been to the playoffs seven times and only once (his first year 2002) gotten to the ALCS. Since then, he has been six other times including this year, but has always lost in the first round (ALDS)

Given those two stats, I think Washington should have edged out Gardenhire. Gardenhire has been to the playoffs seven times and 6 out of those seven he goes home after the first round. If you want manager of the year, do something you haven't done before.

Washington should be MoY.

 

[peplaw06]

Gardenhire won seven more games than the previous year. Washington only won three more. Washington got to the World Series his first time in the playoffs. Gardenhire has been to the playoffs seven times and only once (his first year 2002) gotten to the ALCS. Since then, he has been six other times including this year, but has always lost in the first round (ALDS)

Given those two stats, I think Washington should have edged out Gardenhire. Gardenhire has been to the playoffs seven times and 6 out of those seven he goes home after the first round. If you want manager of the year, do something you haven't done before.

Washington should be MoY.

The voting for all of these awards was done before the playoffs. Nothing that happened during October is a consideration.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The voting for all of these awards was done before the playoffs. Nothing that happened during October is a consideration.

Should be. The year isn't over until a team is crowned champion.

 

[Stautner]

The voting for all of these awards was done before the playoffs. Nothing that happened during October is a consideration.

Yes, but voters knew who was going to the playoffs, and they knew the Rangers were going for the 1st time in 12 years and that the Twins have been multiple times before.

 

[peplaw06]

Should be. The year isn't over until a team is crowned champion.

I don't know about that. If it were, Cliff Lee and Tim Lincecum would probably be shoo-ins for their league's Cy Young. But Lee was injured much of the year, and had a rocky start when he got to Texas. And with the year Halladay had, you can't not give him the Cy.

Too many voters would be focused on what 8 teams did in the playoffs rather than the full season;s body of work IMO.

 

[peplaw06]

Yes, but voters knew who was going to the playoffs, and they knew the Rangers were going for the 1st time in 12 years and that the Twins have been multiple times before.

Sure. But nyc's post was mostly about the playoff exploits of the managers. Of course if the voting were done now, Wash would likely win cause they got 2 rounds deeper than the Twins did.

I'm not saying it should have been a close call. But Gardenhire and the Twins had the better regular season. It's not just about what team had the most improvement, though as nyc pointed out the Twins were 7 games better than last year, which was more than Texas. But it's also about what team did more with less. There's a lot more that goes into it than what team ended the longest playoff drought.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Sure. But nyc's post was mostly about the playoff exploits of the managers. Of course if the voting were done now, Wash would likely win cause they got 2 rounds deeper than the Twins did.

I'm not saying it should have been a close call. But Gardenhire and the Twins had the better regular season. It's not just about what team had the most improvement, though as nyc pointed out the Twins were 7 games better than last year, which was more than Texas. But it's also about what team did more with less. There's a lot more that goes into it than what team ended the longest playoff drought.

Does the manager not get credit for the playoffs?

 

[tko112204]

Does the manager not get credit for the playoffs?

You think Washington managed well in the playoffs?

 

[YosemiteSam]

You think Washington managed well in the playoffs?

Did you not watch the ALCS and ALDS? Washington was aggressive and forced both the Rays and the Yankees into errors. Yes, he managed well, no; I take that back. He managed great in those two series.

Against the Giants? Well, the Rangers had trouble getting players on base. Not only that, the Giants played great defense and Posey's arm kept the Rangers from being extremely aggressive when they were on base. I think Washington pressed a few things in the WS that maybe didn't look so good, but look at the situation. He was trying to make things happen.

Yes, Washington did a good job. To say otherwise would declare that you are not looking at the whole picture.

 

[peplaw06]

Does the manager not get credit for the playoffs?

Sure they do. But not in the voting for Manager of the Year.

 

[Stautner]

Sure they do. But not in the voting for Manager of the Year.

They get credit for MAKING the playoffs, just not for how they do in the playoffs. Voting takes place before the playoffs start.

 

[ajk23az]

Gardenhire won seven more games than the previous year. Washington only won three more. Washington got to the World Series his first time in the playoffs. Gardenhire has been to the playoffs seven times and only once (his first year 2002) gotten to the ALCS. Since then, he has been six other times including this year, but has always lost in the first round (ALDS)

Given those two stats, I think Washington should have edged out Gardenhire. Gardenhire has been to the playoffs seven times and 6 out of those seven he goes home after the first round. If you want manager of the year, do something you haven't done before.

Washington should be MoY.

 

[tko112204]

Did you not watch the ALCS and ALDS? Washington was aggressive and forced both the Rays and the Yankees into errors. Yes, he managed well, no; I take that back. He managed great in those two series.

Against the Giants? Well, the Rangers had trouble getting players on base. Not only that, the Giants played great defense and Posey's arm kept the Rangers from being extremely aggressive when they were on base. I think Washington pressed a few things in the WS that maybe didn't look so good, but look at the situation. He was trying to make things happen.

Yes, Washington did a good job. To say otherwise would declare that you are not looking at the whole picture.

The absolute biggest influence a manager can have on his team in the playoffs is how he utilizes his bullpen.

Yes, he had his team aggressive on the basepaths against 2 piss-poor defensive catchers. That was sound strategy. But he continued to manage his bullpen "by the book" and wouldn't break anyone from their regular season roles, which you have to do in the playoffs.

He cost his team games with his management of the bullpen throughout the playoffs. And you can't argue otherwise.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Do me a favor. Take away from your Twins bias and explain why he deserves it over Washington.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The absolute biggest influence a manager can have on his team in the playoffs is how he utilizes his bullpen.

Yes, he had his team aggressive on the basepaths against 2 piss-poor defensive catchers. That was sound strategy. But he continued to manage his bullpen "by the book" and wouldn't break anyone from their regular season roles, which you have to do in the playoffs.

He cost his team games with his management of the bullpen throughout the playoffs. And you can't argue otherwise.

Actually a few of the errors that were forced on the base paths where not catcher errors. Several were infielder, outfielder, and pitcher errors.

What super major massively critical error did Washington make using his bullpen besides putting a player out there that didn't have control that day? If I remember correctly, Lee had control problems in game one as did Lincecum. Are you going to yank them after one batter or one inning? You can't do that.

I think you are just nosing it and trying to be ultra critical. You are attempting to blame Washington for a players control problems. Granted, Washington has to make a change at times, but you can't just always yank a pitcher because he walks someone. It doesn't work like that. Maybe if you've got 3 arms in the bullpen ready and only an inning and 2/3s left you can THINK about doing that.

I think you are just trying to compare Texas to what the Giants were able to pull off. Almost perfect in the pitching column throughout the playoffs. Well, be happy that happened for your team because that **** doesn't happen every year. Actually it almost NEVER happens.

 

[peplaw06]

They get credit for MAKING the playoffs, just not for how they do in the playoffs. Voting takes place before the playoffs start.

Well that's obvious. We know who is making the playoffs when the regular season is over.