Gardenhire wins AL MOY

[tko112204]

Actually a few of the errors that were forced on the base paths where not catcher errors. Several were infielder, outfielder, and pitcher errors.

What super major massively critical error did Washington make using his bullpen besides putting a player out there that didn't have control that day? If I remember correctly, Lee had control problems in game one as did Lincecum. Are you going to yank them after one batter or one inning? You can't do that.

I think you are just nosing it and trying to be ultra critical. You are attempting to blame Washington for a players control problems. Granted, Washington has to make a change at times, but you can't just always yank a pitcher because he walks someone. It doesn't work like that. Maybe if you've got 3 arms in the bullpen ready and only an inning and 2/3s left you can THINK about doing that.

I think you are just trying to compare Texas to what the Giants were able to pull off. Almost perfect in the pitching column throughout the playoffs. Well, be happy that happened for your team because that **** doesn't happen every year. Actually it almost NEVER happens.

Has nothing to do with the what the Giants did do, or didn't do. Washington had one elite arm in his bullpen. Feliz. He refused to use him in high leverage situations that call for a closer (or your best arm) in the playoffs. He used him only in "traditional" closer spots, and it cost him. Game 1, Game 2, the Yankee game they blew the lead in (Game 2?).

Girardi may have actually had a binder in the dugout, but Washington's nose was stuck pretty far in his own proverbial binder.

 

[tko112204]

And no, I'm not saying you take Lee or Lincecum out in the 2nd inning, but you have to use your best pitchers in your most leveraged situations.

O'Day, Kirkland, Ogando, Lowe

He put all those guys in tight spots, when he could have used Feliz.

I'm not saying they lost the WS because of him, but he didn't do anything to increase their chances of winning either.

 

[Stautner]

Has nothing to do with the what the Giants did do, or didn't do. Washington had one elite arm in his bullpen. Feliz. He refused to use him in high leverage situations that call for a closer (or your best arm) in the playoffs. He used him only in "traditional" closer spots, and it cost him. Game 1, Game 2, the Yankee game they blew the lead in (Game 2?).

Girardi may have actually had a binder in the dugout, but Washington's nose was stuck pretty far in his own proverbial binder.

I'm not sure that's true. I recall at least one game where he used Feliz in the 8th. Besides, Feliz had some struggles in the playoffs, so it didn't make sense to try and overuse him.

 

[tko112204]

I'm not sure that's true. I recall at least one game where he used Feliz in the 8th. Besides, Feliz had some struggles in the playoffs, so it didn't make sense to try and overuse him.

Who did he have pitching better?

Feliz was his best guy all year and he put him behind glass.

 

[ajk23az]

Do me a favor. Take away from your Twins bias and explain why he deserves it over Washington.

For one, like all others have said, the manager of the year voting has taken place BEFORE the playoffs. It's been done this way for the longest time. Cannot take away from Gardy just because the Rangers got to the WS. And its pretty safe to say they wouldn't have made it anywhere in the playoffs w/o Lee, who was a rented player.

Two, Twins had the best home record in the MLB, in a stadium where his team hit fewer home runs than they gave up. This was all done without Morneau a 4x all star and former MVP, without Joe Nathan, one of the best closers in the MLB the WHOLE YEAR.

Twins bullpen was right up there with the best of em.

Four, their defense was also top 5, while the rangers were ranked 22nd.

Both managers deserved it, its just that Gardenhire deserved it more.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Two, Twins had the best home record in the MLB, in a stadium where his team hit fewer home runs than they gave up. This was all done without Morneau a 4x all star and former MVP, without Joe Nathan, one of the best closers in the MLB the WHOLE YEAR.

Umm, no the Twins didn't have the most home wins in all of baseball.

Most Home Wins in the MLB

1. Atlanta: 56
2. Philadelphia: 54
3. Minnesota: 53

Atlanta and Philly had more home wins than the Twins. Texas had two less at 51.

Twins bullpen was right up there with the best of em.

Team Pitching Rankings: SPLITS Relievers - Twins bullpen was right up there TWO spots below the Rangers bullpen.

Pitching Rankings Total - Also below them in TOTAL pitching.

Four, their defense was also top 5, while the rangers were ranked 22nd.

MLB TOTAL DEFENSIVE RANKINGS - This is TOTAL defense, not just fielding. The Rangers are 1 tick, below the Twins in TOTAL defense. (4.2 vs 4.1) Texas gave up less hits and struck-out more batters, but gave up more walks than the Twins.

Both managers deserved it, its just that Gardenhire deserved it more.

You listed four things, the first thing was to defer and then sling mud. The other three claims I've proved inaccurate, incomplete, or the Rangers were better.

I'm guessing when you said most home wins in the MLB, you were confusing MLB with the AL. In that case you would have been correct.

 

[tko112204]

The Twins won a tougher division, with more injuries.

And they didn't hire an ace to swing things their way.

Good enough for me.

 

[ajk23az]

Face it, more people who actually voted on the MOY agree with me, that Gardenhire deserved it more Ron Washington. If they didn't, Washington would have won and not lost by 27 points and would have gotten more than 12 first place votes compared to Gardy's 16.

I don't see any articles saying Washington got hosed except probably from the Texas media.

And the first thing I said wasn't to sling mud, it was a pure fact. It's always been done that way and thats the way it will stay. Period. Deal with it. Playoffs don't count in MOY voting. The Twins did more in the regular season with less. Twins had one star player, Mauer, and could possibly include Delmon in there but he was a nobody before this year. The Rangers had Hamilton, Vlad, Cruz, Kinsler, Young, Lee, & Feliz (who was a Rookie but in the same boat as Delmon).

And yes, I did mean AL not MLB for the home wins.