Garrets offense does not work against good teams

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Garrett does NOT beat good teams. We have all the "weapons" good teams have QB, RBs, TEs, WRs....I mean is the personell for the Saints any better than our's? As Jaws said on NFL matchup....the Saints beat you with multiple formations....Garrett would NOT be a good head coach in Dallas because I don't think he has the respect of the lockeroom.
 
I thought it worked today. Just no execution. You gotta score TD's. They don't. You know why? They have dumb *** penalties. Its always something to stop them from scoring. That's not on Garrett.
 
rocyaice;3142585 said:
I thought it worked today. Just no execution. You gotta score TD's. They don't. You know why? They have dumb *** penalties. Its always something to stop them from scoring. That's not on Garrett.

I agree.

That's been the theme for most of the year.You can get away with those mistakes against lesser teams,but good teams burn you with those mistakes.

Now that is not to say that Garrett is infallible.But more times than not the players have had oppurtunities to succeed which is all you can ask for.


Craig
 
rocyaice;3142585 said:
I thought it worked today. Just no execution. You gotta score TD's. They don't. You know why? They have dumb *** penalties. Its always something to stop them from scoring. That's not on Garrett.

What is on Garrett is the lack of adjustment when something isn't working.

You can call 2 straight runs from the 1. 3 is pushing it because you just saw the 2 other runs do nothing. 4 is insane, stubborn and pathetic.

You can also put the lack of play-action pass on Garrett. The play-action was there ALL GAME. Dallas had a good running game for the majority of the game and Garrett just wouldn't go to play-action. He did go to it on the TD to Austin and if you watch that play, the entire team bit on it.

How the play action cannot be a staple of this offense is beyond me.
 
Hoofbite;3142611 said:
What is on Garrett is the lack of adjustment when something isn't working.

You can call 2 straight runs from the 1. 3 is pushing it because you just saw the 2 other runs do nothing. 4 is insane, stubborn and pathetic.

You can also put the lack of play-action pass on Garrett. The play-action was there ALL GAME. Dallas had a good running game for the majority of the game and Garrett just wouldn't go to play-action. He did go to it on the TD to Austin and if you watch that play, the entire team bit on it.

How the play action cannot be a staple of this offense is beyond me.

I don't think the play action would've worked anyway. Chargers wanted to take away the deep ball. They let us run on them. Didn't even try to take the running game from us unlike last week like the Giants did. And I disagree about being on the 1. If you tell me Marion has 4 times to get 4 yards? I'll take it no matter where he's at on the field. He didn't make it.

But let's be honest. Garrett can't win with us. Earlier in the year we criticized him for not running it earlier in the season in the endzone. Now we're criticizing him for running it too much. He can't win. The only way he wins is if we score TD's. We're not. But the players aren't IMO.


craig71;3142604 said:
I agree.

That's been the theme for most of the year.You can get away with those mistakes against lesser teams,but good teams burn you with those mistakes.

Now that is not to say that Garrett is infallible.But more times than not the players have had oppurtunities to succeed which is all you can ask for.


Craig


I agree and I knew this would harm us. I knew it. Back earlier in the season I just knew there was going to come a time where we couldn't over coming leaving points on the board. You can't do it against the Giants and Chargers and don't even think about doing it against the Saints. I don't put that on Garrett. Players gotta execute. I feel Garrett puts them in position to score but when you have Folk missing field goals and dumb penalties from the O-line or tight end or running back? You're just killing yourself.
 
Dallas' offense hasn't really worked in over a month, other than the Raiders' game.
 
Nobodies offense is going to work with that O Line (Romo makes em look better than they are) and Barber as a feature back.
 
rocyaice;3142585 said:
I thought it worked today. Just no execution. You gotta score TD's. They don't. You know why? They have dumb *** penalties. Its always something to stop them from scoring. That's not on Garrett.

Correct. JG put the OL and the best short yard back in the league in a spot to show it... and they failed.
 
AbeBeta;3142660 said:
Correct. JG put the OL and the best short yard back in the league in a spot to show it... and they failed.

Its that simple. Everyone wants to look into things deeper than they really are. Its not Garretts playcalling. If you can't score on the goal line in 4 tries then dammnit you just don't even need to contend in this league. Cowboys can score. They just didn't. I like Barber at the goal line. I still can't believe he didn't get that in there. But it takes two. Or in this case it takes 6. He needed help from the O-line.
 
we all know this.

well except jerry and his fluffers.

bbailey423;3142522 said:
Garrett does NOT beat good teams. We have all the "weapons" good teams have QB, RBs, TEs, WRs....I mean is the personell for the Saints any better than our's? As Jaws said on NFL matchup....the Saints beat you with multiple formations....Garrett would NOT be a good head coach in Dallas because I don't think he has the respect of the lockeroom.
 
There are a couple of things that our offense doesn't do well:

1. OL is very inconsistent in both pass blocking and run blocking.

2. We don't do any one thing particularly well because we lack a dominant offensive skill player. This is why defenses can dictate things to us so often. The only one who has that ability is Felix but we hardly ever give him a chance. The 90s Cowboys had Emmitt/Irvin but we don't have anyone of that magnitude.

3. Keeping the other team off-balance. It rarely seems as though we hardly ever try to deceive the other team with misdirection. It is so shocking when we use it that it almost always works. Norv was a master of this and he used it against us today.

4. We don't try to create favourable matchups for our players. It seems as though other teams scheme the heck out of us to find that one big play they can spring upon us when the moment arises. We rarely seem to make a similar play even in games that we win.

I think this offense is pretty good and can score on almost anyone. I think the biggest thing holding it back is deciding who is going to run the ball and working on the consistency and discipline of the OL. I suspect significant changes need to be made either on the coaching front, the player front or maybe both.

Having said that, I don't think Garrett is a very good coordinator. He is only mediocre in terms of production and actually below average in almost any game of significance on the most important statistic - points scored.
 
rocyaice;3142630 said:
I don't think the play action would've worked anyway.

So whats the excuse other weeks. There weren't many against the Giants.

I think it would have worked. In fact, it did work on the TD to Austin. The entire secondary bit.

And even if it doesn't work, you haven't lost anything by trying it.
 
Running 4 times on the goal line wasn't a bad idea.

Sticking barber in as full back on 4th down, and giving it to him, was ********. Dead ****ing give away. If you're going to let barber pound it 4 times, let him pound it behind a fullback. If you're going to FB sneak, sneak with the FB. That play was so stupid it made me sad.
 
Teren_Kanan;3142904 said:
Running 4 times on the goal line wasn't a bad idea.

Sticking barber in as full back on 4th down, and giving it to him, was ********. Dead ****ing give away. If you're going to let barber pound it 4 times, let him pound it behind a fullback. If you're going to FB sneak, sneak with the FB. That play was so stupid it made me sad.

Exactly.

I was like, what the ****???

Put Barber in at fulback with no lead blocker on 4th down was just freaking insane. You dont even do **** like that on Madden.
 
Hoofbite;3142611 said:
What is on Garrett is the lack of adjustment when something isn't working.

You can call 2 straight runs from the 1. 3 is pushing it because you just saw the 2 other runs do nothing. 4 is insane, stubborn and pathetic.

You can also put the lack of play-action pass on Garrett. The play-action was there ALL GAME. Dallas had a good running game for the majority of the game and Garrett just wouldn't go to play-action. He did go to it on the TD to Austin and if you watch that play, the entire team bit on it.

How the play action cannot be a staple of this offense is beyond me.

I think we should run more PA as well.
 
AbeBeta;3142660 said:
Correct. JG put the OL and the best short yard back in the league in a spot to show it... and they failed.

IF jg PUT THEM THEIR.

tHEN jg FAILED TO SCORE..........:eek:
 

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