Gettin On Late & Full Of Hate

[Hoofbite]

Didn't get a chance to check the site today. Its not really kosher to vent on a message board with a whole house full of family. Adding to that, by halftime I was pretty much in hilarity mode where I just have to sit back and laugh at how pathetic things had gotten.

So, I realize that most of these things have been hashed, rehashed, repackaged and once again rehashed but thats what people do in the offseason.


1. Tony Romo - I hope that this is his wake up call. When Tony came out and said he needed to be more careful with turnovers, I got the impression he was just saying that to deflect a little heat. Hopefully he will now get it. Teams do not win with careless play with the ball. Teams with QBs that don't protect the ball, usually don't advance. Take a look at the "win & in" games today. Dallas, Denver, and the Jets all could have advanced with a win. All of those teams lost and when you look at numbers for the games, those 3 QBs combined for 6 INTs and 2 Fumbles. Its not a big secret. Protecting the ball has got to become a priority for Tony. It MUST.

2. Jason Garrett - I don't even know what to think about this guy. He has all the weapons any team should ever need and he is getting so little from it. Again I see an absolutely disgusting call on 3rd and short. I don't know what the problem is but if he can't figure it out, find someone who can. I don't want to go too far into what I think of this guy right now because theres a whole lot of time to talk about it ahead but what we have seen for a good majority of this season is pathetic.

3. TO/Tank/Pacman - If Tank's comments are accurate, hes scum. An absolute lowlife. I'm shocked no one in the lockeroom took issue with it because that is about as cowardly of a statement that a guy could make. Screw Tank. Good riddance, he wasn't much of a player anyway. Couple plays is really all he made. TO comes back. Jerry likes the guy a lot and as long as Jerry thinks TO is right, Owens will be a Cowboy. I think Pacman does as well because no one else will take Pacman and he is a quality CB that will be had at a VERY cheap price.

4. Team Heart - Wasn't visible today. They were all mostly warm bodies. It seriously looked like Dallas had no shot at the playoffs today. They looked like they were playing for less than Detriot was playing for. Dallas didn't look like they were even playing for pride. It was disgusting.

5. Wade - I think hes staying. If you asked me in September if 9-7 would be good enough for him to keep his job, I would have laughed. The fact is, Wade did his job. He turned the D into the strongest part of the team. If it weren't for the fact that Garrett produced nothing, I'd say Wade would be gone.


Sucks that this is how it all played out. Back to the old 9 month wait.

 

[jackrussell]

If Tank's comments are accurate, hes scum

I missed this...what did he say?

 

[Hoofbite]

I missed this...what did he say?

I guess he said something like "I'm a free agent, baby". Just a total POS comment in my book.

 

[masomenos]

A rational post? Are you sure you're on the right forum?

1. Tony does have to protect the ball more and I think that he will with time. In the past three years, 39 games, he has 46 INTs and 32 fumbles, a total of 78 "oops" plays. It's a lot but for a QB who is still early in his learning curve, it's not something that is unexpected. In Brady's first three seasons, which is a few more games, he had 38 INTs and 36 fumbles. 74 "oops" plays. Peyton had 58 INTs and 14 fumbles. 72 "oops" plays. Brees had 63 INTs and 14 fumbles. 77 "oops" plays. Warner had 53 INTs and 23 fumbles. 76 "oops" plays. I fully believe that he'll get better at protecting the ball as he gets more experience.

2. Garrett...I'm not sure what to think. I mean, in the past two seasons we've had 12 games where we scored 30+ points. The Colts have 14. The Patriots have 17. With a healthy Romo we probably would have had a couple more this year. I want to see another year of Garrett before I pass judgement. He's still learning the ropes too.

3. Tank should be gone and T.O. and Pac should be back.

4. I agree, it was a disgusting performance.

5. Again, I agree, Wade will be and should be back.

 

[jackrussell]

Well, character never really was one of his redeeming qualities.

 

[RoadRunner]

I want to see another year of Garrett before I pass judgement. He's still learning the ropes too.

This is the NFL. "Learning the ropes" is unaccpetible for a coach in the NFL. He is paid 3 million dollars to produce an offense, not job training.

When you get hired to coach in the NFL, you are expected to have already "learned the ropes" of football.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

This is the NFL. "Learning the ropes" is unaccpetible for a coach in the NFL. He is paid 3 million dollars to produce an offense, not job training.

When you get hired to coach in the NFL, you are expected to have already "learned the ropes" of football.

Exactly. We have too much talent and too small a window at winning to have it derailed by a guy who is learning on the job.

 

[Monster Heel]

Look like Zach Thomas is taking the Tank route too.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=81A02A11-BE67-867E-BE228634FB9B654E

It's not like either of them were big contributors that we'll sorely miss, but I feel like Tank is worse if he said that. The Cowboys gave him an opportunity at another shot at an NFL livelihood. Thomas is just a bandwagoner in the form of a guy who was supposed to help us play better football.

 

[masomenos]

This is the NFL. "Learning the ropes" is unaccpetible for a coach in the NFL. He is paid 3 million dollars to produce an offense, not job training.

When you get hired to coach in the NFL, you are expected to have already "learned the ropes" of football.

That's funny, do you know what Bill Bellichick's record was in his first two years at New England? 16-16. Gosh, good thing they kept him, huh? I mean go figure, sometimes you face difficulties as a coach. How many games do we win this year if Romo, Kosier and Felix are healthy? So things didn't fall well for us this year, that doesn't mean that we need to clean house. 14 games in the past two season of 30+ points. From 1992 to 1993, we had 10 games of 30+ points.

 

[lcharles]

That's funny, do you know what Bill Bellichick's record was in his first two years at New England? 16-16. Gosh, good thing they kept him, huh? I mean go figure, sometimes you face difficulties as a coach. How many games do we win this year if Romo, Kosier and Felix are healthy? So things didn't fall well for us this year, that doesn't mean that we need to clean house. 14 games in the past two season of 30+ points. From 1992 to 1993, we had 10 games of 30+ points.

Did you just compare Wade to Bellichick??


hno:

 

[zeromaster]

Somebody should post stats on how many of the other players/coaches that had similar stats: did they have these kind of dramatic dropoffs? Did they have this kind of paper talent assembled?

That's what's got the critics going. They don't see improvement; they see regression.

As I've said before "learning on the job" and "championship" rarely belong in the same conversation about the same guys. Sure they have to break through sometime. The real question is: are they making forward progress towards that goal?

 

[Shinywalrus]

That's funny, do you know what Bill Bellichick's record was in his first two years at New England? 16-16. Gosh, good thing they kept him, huh? I mean go figure, sometimes you face difficulties as a coach. How many games do we win this year if Romo, Kosier and Felix are healthy? So things didn't fall well for us this year, that doesn't mean that we need to clean house. 14 games in the past two season of 30+ points. From 1992 to 1993, we had 10 games of 30+ points.

It's a fair point, and too many people are hungry for blood, but there something to be said for the argument that Wade's ability to deal with the difficulties he has faced has been somewhat lacking.

It's hard as a fan to look past the fact that everything in our own non-football and football experiences alike tells us that undisciplined, sloppy, penalty-ridden, mistake-prone play from very talented players is a likely outcome of an excessively accountability-free, laissez-faire working environment. Both of those characteristics are ones that our (limited) exposure to Wade tells us permeate - being relaxed isn't inherently bad, but when the negative trappings we usually associate with that relaxation are the most pernicious offenders in the team's abhorrent performance, it should open eyes.

Taking risks and losing shouldn't get good coaches fired. Bad seasons alone shouldn't get good coaches fired. Bad seasons, however, that were bad in large part because of problems that every natural, logical and visceral instinct in us says comes from a lackadaisical environment, may well be cause for reestablishing the organization.

The problem is that we, as fans, just don't have enough access to know whether the environment Wade fostered really had that result - again, the evidence we have, from press conferences, speeches and otherwise, give that indication, but Jerry and the players would know better, I suspect. I'd personally give them the benefit of the doubt on the issue if they kept Wade, but I really think you can hardly blame most fans for reacting to what seems like pretty obvious evidence of the source of many, if not all, of the team's performance problems.

 

[30yrheel]

Did you just compare Wade to Bellichick??


hno:

wade's always been a loser, that won't change. also, there's no time for "learning curves" in the nfl.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Did you just compare Wade to Bellichick??


hno:

How did you get that? He was comparing Garrett to Belichick.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Tank and Thomas will for sure be gone. We probably will only resign one of the two out of Canty and Spears (I believe they're both up), and I really don't see Roy Williams (S), or Keith Davis being back. Proctor has to be on his way out the door I'd believe. He's terrible.