Getting acclimated to watching the 3-4

[LaTunaNostra]

While this might be true for the Landry years, this hasn't been true since Chad Hennings retired. In fact, since we last had a decent DL, we have had to blitz and generally resort to unsound defense to get any kind of pass rush at all.

David.

That's the bottom line.

Not much less safe than perpetual blitzing.

I think maybe a little of the 3-4 angst is not just the historical record, the very successful long time Cowboys way of getting things done, but it may feel like yet another depreciation of talent...a reliance more on many cogs than a few stars.

That may be true to certain extent, as more players will share more time. But
LT was at least as big a name (and impact player) as Haley was.

A Ware is going to do a lot to make the 'lunchpail quality' more palatable.

So is Burnette. So is Canty.

I think Richard Seymour is one of the most valuable DEs playing today...perhaps the MOST..he may never rack up the Kearse like glitter, but you can learn to live with it.

Seymour is a flat out stud.

(and I think the reason why Tuna dropped those very early LT comparisons was his understanding of the 'sell' to the Dallas media and fanbase...not that he isn't gonna do what he wants to do anyway, but that he FINALLY comprehends the idea that bus driver quotes are not appreciated in Dallas!..cripe, I coulda told him that after one week!..he only needlessly irritates with any already too obvious reminders that execution by the many is his key to success)

Folks will adjust to the lack of 'true stardom' on the line..they already have, with NOTHING to compensate for it elsewhere but Roy.

Specially when you didn't have anything near Kearse to begin with closer in memory to the admittedly awesome Chalres Haley..

 

[SmashFactorGolf]

We burned how many #1 piks on finding the next Haley.......Ekuban, Pittman, S. Carver, and then at least one FA in M. Wiley.........

Is it easier to draft for the 3-4, If Spears and Canty become players, I beleive they will be players in either scheme...........it all seemed to fall into our laps this year in the draft......time will tell

In Jimmy Johnson era......LB's were required for speed only.....they were bottom of list for salary, let alot of quality lbs go via free agency

speaking of LB's----Philly let a quality kid go (6th rdr) according to espn....for what ever that is worth

 

[scottsp]

The thing I remember most about the Bill Parcells era with the Giants are the wars those boys waged against Joe Gibbs and the Skins. This, of course, was circa 1986, or thereabouts. And those were two heavy duty clubs going at it.

As we all know, the G-Men relied on this 3-4 defense, anchored by the great Lawrence Taylor. Some of you also might recall the Skins multiple set attack. Typically, they'd roll with a single-back attack.

But what flanked John Riggins was a variation of looks that would make a flag football offense come across as blase.

Gibbs would throw out two tights, one and an H-Back, three wides, four, etc. Motion, motion, and more motion. But against Big Blue, the Skins would come with a lot of three-wide looks. The Posse, anyone remember those guys? That's what the trio of Gary Clark, Art Monk, and Ricky Sanders dubbed themselves. They were an excellent group, IMO.

The Giants response?

Play a lot of nickel and turn the monster loose. Line him up here. Line him up there. New York did not elect to utilize Taylor in static fashion. Far from it. But when they did go conventional with LT, it was pure joy to watch him go at it with Joe Jacoby. That guy was one hell of a left tackle.

I guess I bring this up because I don't really forsee the Cowboys dropping Ware a lot once we get to San Diego, especially in obvious passing situations. My gut tells me they're doing this now to get him work in an area he's really never had experience with prior to now. And I think it's wise to do so.

I'm not so uncomfortable with this since I know Bill Parcells has seen it all before. He's quite adept and familiar with the adjustments thrown at this defense. I feel confident in his ability to counter those.

That said, the same is true now that was true then, twenty years ago. Regardless of what front or scheme is being used, if you're not getting to the passer, the X and O's of it don't mean so much.

Must...get...to...the...quarterback.

 

[Cbz40]

The thing I remember most about the Bill Parcells era with the Giants are the wars those boys waged against Joe Gibbs and the Skins. This, of course, was circa 1986, or thereabouts. And those were two heavy duty clubs going at it.

As we all know, the G-Men relied on this 3-4 defense, anchored by the great Lawrence Taylor. Some of you also might recall the Skins multiple set attack. Typically, they'd roll with a single-back attack.

But what flanked John Riggins was a variation of looks that would make a flag football offense come across as blase.

Gibbs would throw out two tights, one and an H-Back, three wides, four, etc. Motion, motion, and more motion. But against Big Blue, the Skins would come with a lot of three-wide looks. The Posse, anyone remember those guys? That's what the trio of Gary Clark, Art Monk, and Ricky Sanders dubbed themselves. They were an excellent group, IMO.

The Giants response?

Play a lot of nickel and turn the monster loose. Line him up here. Line him up there. New York did not elect to utilize Taylor in static fashion. Far from it. But when they did go conventional with LT, it was pure joy to watch him go at it with Joe Jacoby. That guy was one hell of a left tackle.

I guess I bring this up because I don't really forsee the Cowboys dropping Ware a lot once we get to San Diego, especially in obvious passing situations. My gut tells me they're doing this now to get him work in an area he's really never had experience with prior to now. And I think it's wise to do so.

I'm not so uncomfortable with this since I know Bill Parcells has seen it all before. He's quite adept and familiar with the adjustments thrown at this defense. I feel confident in his ability to counter those.

That said, the same is true now that was true then, twenty years ago. Regardless of what front or scheme is being used, if you're not getting to the passer, the X and O's of it don't mean so much.

Must...get...to...the...quarterback.

Good post Scott......The name of the game harass the QB

 

[Juke99]

Great post scottsp.

Thanks

And yeah, I remember those epic battles between the Giants and Skins...Parcells and Gibbs....LT and Jacoby.

Great stuff.

 

[dwmyers]

Is it easier to draft for the 3-4, If Spears and Canty become players, I beleive they will be players in either scheme...........it all seemed to fall into our laps this year in the draft

I think you answered your own question. This draft was a good one regardless of scheme. We are using the 3-4 because our head coach is an expert in it, won 2 Super Bowls with it. But it appears as if we have the kinds of DL bodies to play both schemes, and play them successfully.

David.

 

[Sarge]

Great post scottsp.

Thanks

And yeah, I remember those epic battles between the Giants and Skins...Parcells and Gibbs....LT and Jacoby.

Great stuff.

Classic games. Two lunchpale teams smacking each other in the face. Nothing like the history behind the NFC East.

If it isn't Dallas/Commanders, it's Giants/Commanders, Dallas/Philly, Dallas/Giants.......... etc.

 

[Juke99]

Classic games. Two lunchpale teams smacking each other in the face. Nothing like the history behind the NFC East.

If it isn't Dallas/Commanders, it's Giants/Commanders, Dallas/Philly, Dallas/Giants.......... etc.

Oh yeah...and if you add the wind, cold, snow, etc at the Meadowlands..well, heck...I'm feeling stirrings in my loins.

 

[dwmyers]

Some of you also might recall the Skins multiple set attack. Typically, they'd roll with a single-back attack.

What I recall about the Skin's attack in the 1980s is that they were a very patient and deliberately annoying offense. They would dink you for ages, running and throwing short, running and throwing short, until your defense would start playing 8 in the box, man-to-man, tight safeties. That's when they would throw over your head for a long TD pass.

You could count on it, regular as clockwork.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Oh yeah...and if you add the wind, cold, snow, etc at the Meadowlands..well, heck...I'm feeling stirrings in my loins.

Whoa! I'm outta here! I know what happens when you get those stirrings.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Classic games. Two lunchpale teams smacking each other in the face. Nothing like the history behind the NFC East.

If it isn't Dallas/Commanders, it's Giants/Commanders, Dallas/Philly, Dallas/Giants.......... etc.

Compare those with the "air-wars" between the Bills, Dolpins & Jets of the early 90's.

 

[Juke99]

Whoa! I'm outta here! I know what happens when you get those stirrings.

:grin2:

 

[Sarge]

Oh yeah...and if you add the wind, cold, snow, etc at the Meadowlands..well, heck...I'm feeling stirrings in my loins.

Keep your loins the hell outta here Sally.

 

[Sarge]

Compare those with the "air-wars" between the Bills, Dolpins & Jets of the early 90's.

Apples and oragnes.............uh, oranges.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Its good to see the old guard changing their minds here...

But, its Sooooooooooooo much more then different players...

Parcells had seen enough of "occupy & enagage" passive & predictable stop NOooooooooooooo one when we had to football...

He made the right move to a much less predictable, pressuring defense!

It always made me sick to hear zimmy wuss say "were going to play the run on first & second down and then rush the passer on 3rd down".

Ah yeah, that would be fine I guess... Zimmy the GREEK if the offense had rules to only run on first & 2nd down & then had to pass on 3rd...IDIOT!

He still didn't know how to rush the passer...His blitzes were awfully timed and by the wrong players....(Sorry zimmy, Dat CAN'T RUSH the passer!)

Yes, Parcells had seen enough journeyman QB's easily out wit zimmy...

He knew HE had to change the D to what would work...

Its only going to get better!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Its good to see the old guard changing their minds here...

But, its Sooooooooooooo much more then different players...

Parcells had seen enough of "occupy & enagage" passive & predictable stop NOooooooooooooo one when we had to football...

He made the right move to a much less predictable, pressuring defense!

It always made me sick to hear zimmy wuss say "were going to play the run on first & second down and then rush the passer on 3rd down".

Ah yeah, that would be fine I guess... Zimmy the GREEK if the offense had rules to only run on first & 2nd down & then had to pass on 3rd...IDIOT!

He still didn't know how to rush the passer...His blitzes were awfully timed and by the wrong players....(Sorry zimmy, Dat CAN'T RUSH the passer!)

Yes, Parcells had seen enough journeyman QB's easily out wit zimmy...

He knew HE had to change the D to what would work...

Its only going to get better!

Afternoon HH.

Yawn on your post BTW.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm feeling stirrings in my loins.

Easy there Chief.

 

[Juke99]

Easy there Chief.

Hey...that's a low blow calling me "Chief"

Actually, Chief is like Elvis in my eyes. One of the originals around here.

Winicki and Sarge on the other hand are like...

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Yawn if you like Mikey...

I guess thats easy to do when u don't UNDERSTAND!

 

[blindzebra]

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but keep in mind it's preseason.

Our first team is getting about half the snaps they'd get in a regular game, so they are fresh and know they can go all out.

The teams we have played don't have very good second team depth on offense, ours has improved on defense and it shows. We have deeper talent on that side of the ball and they too, are playing to make the team.

While it will be nice to get Fergy and Spears into the mix, they are behind, not in football condition, and will be taking snaps away from players that have played well.

So far we have players making makes and that is great, but it's preseason and no team has tried to attack us with the run. I guarantee SD will.