Giants, Patriots, and the Cowboys "Fade"

CoCo

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Congrats to the Giants on beating the Pats, something that obviously had not been done this year. And while my congrats are sincere (despite my dislike for their team) I am keeping their accomplishment in perspective. This, IMO, was not the early season juggernaut that was upset yesterday.

Haven't done any in depth analysis on the issue other than to go back and check weekly point differentials of the Cowboys & Pats from week 1 forward. Both started the season as a house afire winning games by big margins, in the Pats case ridiculously big. But somewhere along the way the margins of victory began to shrink. The Pats had a couple very close calls, the Cowboys had some as well and even dropped that game to the Eagles before the finale vs the Skins.

But check the Pats point differentials and you'll see their late season trend very much mirrors the Cowboys. I actually graphed it but couldn't figure out how to post it here. :mad:

Dallas has been roundly criticized for a trend of December fades with suggestions that player and/or coach "character" is at the root of it. Its an implication that when the going really gets tough, this Cowboy team simply folds. I disagree by pointing to plenty of situations where our team has come through when the chips are down. Now here's a different angle.

Maybe the Cowboys didn't fade this year as much as other teams eventually figured out ways to slow us down. We certainly were on everyone's radar.

My point in this thread isn't so much to focus on how to fix the fade as much as suggest an alternative reason beyond calling our players and coaches out as having insufficient character, or commitment, or discipline or whatever. When you see a similar trend line with what was being called perhaps the greatest team of all-time, its worth a glance IMO.

And as exhibit B I give you the Giants, who again, have my respect for the run they made, but whom I really think mostly got hot at the right time and had some breaks go their way. Still, you do have to have enough talent to create that possibility and that they do have. But no more than our Cowboys IMO.
 

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Nors;1942608 said:
Giants did it without Kiwi, Shockey and Ticki -

Not very compelling IMO.

And what in the heck does Tiki's retirement have to do with anything? We went 13-3 without Tony Dorsett.
 

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Nice post, but the Cowboys do have player/coach maturity and motivation problems. They sleepwalked through the last month of the season, bought the media hype about themselves and then when they got taken a part by the Skins tried to convince themselves it didn't matter cause it was a "meaningless game." It got to the point, where few were surprised they lost to the Giants except the players themselves. Ask the Giants what effect trying to win the Pats game at the end of the season--even though it was "meaningless"--had on their run......:bang2:
 

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Nice post, and I agree with most of your hypothesis. I do not however, agree w/the poster that we slept walked through the last part of the season.

We were out coached, played, and by resting players we lost that razors edge you need going into the playoffs.

Our coordinator's must improve in making adjustments on both O & D. When the opposing defenses took away TO or Witten other players failed to step up and make plays as they were prior to December. We lacked the urgency needed going into December and January.

Our DL failed all season in getting a consistent pass rush especially up the middle.

If we can acquire secondary help, improve our pass rush, another play maker on O, and mature as a team we could possibly achieve our goal.
 

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The Pats loss had nothing to do with fading... it had nothing to do with having an old defense.... the Giants were ALL PRESSURE, ALL NIGHT Long. Pats couldnt overcome it. Period.
 

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I think the T.O. injury hurt the Cowboys worst than we may want to admit.

He was not 100 percent, and that severely limited our offense.

I still think Wade did not have his charges prepared, but I think the T.O. injury hurt us big time.

I do think the Giants benefited by having played us, the Packers and Patriots in the regular season.

When you win, you tend to do the same things that were successful in beating your opponent.

When you lose, you must adjust.

The Giants did just that. They shut the Buccanneers running game down and took away Galloway, Tampa's lone threat.

They blitz the Cowboys in the second half, knowing T.O. was injured and that Terry Glenn was basically ineffective and returning from a season layoff.

And they used the cold to their advantage by bottling up the Packers' running game and forcing Favre into passing mistakes.

In the Super Bowl, they brought constant pressure on Brady - in think - knowing he wouldn't be as mobile because of the ankle injury.
You don't wear a boot unless your foot is hurting.

Credit the Giants for adapting and for being mentally prepared to win a Super Bowl.
 

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Cbz40;1942698 said:
Nice post, and I agree with most of your hypothesis. I do not however, agree w/the poster that we slept walked through the last part of the season.

We were out coached, played, and by resting players we lost that razors edge you need going into the playoffs.

Our coordinator's must improve in making adjustments on both O & D. When the opposing defenses took away TO or Witten other players failed to step up and make plays as they were prior to December. We lacked the urgency needed going into December and January.

Our DL failed all season in getting a consistent pass rush especially up the middle.

If we can acquire secondary help, improve our pass rush, another play maker on O, and mature as a team we could possibly achieve our goal.

I dont often say this. Actually never, but very good post.
 

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You still need to be able to run the football.

Last night, the Pats' pass happy offensive game plan failed to establish a running game to compliment their passing game.

I'm glad to see old-fashioned, physical football prevail once again.
 

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tyke1doe;1942947 said:
I think the T.O. injury hurt the Cowboys worst than we may want to admit.

He was not 100 percent, and that severely limited our offense.

I still think Wade did not have his charges prepared, but I think the T.O. injury hurt us big time.

I do think the Giants benefited by having played us, the Packers and Patriots in the regular season.

When you win, you tend to do the same things that were successful in beating your opponent.

When you lose, you must adjust.

The Giants did just that. They shut the Buccanneers running game down and took away Galloway, Tampa's lone threat.

They blitz the Cowboys in the second half, knowing T.O. was injured and that Terry Glenn was basically ineffective and returning from a season layoff.

And they used the cold to their advantage by bottling up the Packers' running game and forcing Favre into passing mistakes.

In the Super Bowl, they brought constant pressure on Brady - in think - knowing he wouldn't be as mobile because of the ankle injury.
You don't wear a boot unless your foot is hurting.

Credit the Giants for adapting and for being mentally prepared to win a Super Bowl.


I want to agree but I cant. We were flailing for the last month. TO had nothing to do with that loss.

If I did agree.... Romo missed TO on a TD and Crayton dropped atleast one score.

The game was there to win. We aint got it....... yet!?
 
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