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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...oycott-causes-unexpected-problems-for-giants/

^read this, especailly the end of the story!

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Nicks OTA boycott causes unexpected problems for Giants

As everyone was focused on when and if unsigned Giants receiver Victor Cruz will rejoin the team, the other big-name player at that same position who has a contract opted to skip OTA practice on Wednesday.

The situation, and the head coach’s reaction, create some potential problems for the Giants.

Throughout the offseason, we’ve pointed out the link between Cruz and Hakeem Nicks. Cruz has no contract now, Nicks will have no contract in a year. If Cruz ultimately signs his one-year restricted free agency tender, both will be hitting the market in 2014 — and the team will have only one franchise tender to apply.

It has been believed in some circles that Nicks’ demands will be driven by what Cruz gets. As one league source with knowledge of the situation has explained it to PFT, Nicks doesn’t care what Cruz gets, because Cruz is a slot receiver. Nicks, an outside receiver, had his value set by Mike Wallace’s contract in Miami.
 

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As much as I would love to see NY take a hit this is nothing, he said "should be here" not "required to be here".
 

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John Mara and crew are above the rules, and their spirits.
 

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tantrix1969;5088479 said:
As much as I would love to see NY take a hit this is nothing, he said "should be here" not "required to be here".

That is what I thought but the new rule basicaly says coaches and others can't say that a player should be there, needs to be there or anything like that, period
 

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“He should be here,” Coughlin said. “I expect everybody here. We’re trying to get our team better.”

Under the pre-2011 labor deals, coaches routinely made public comments suggesting that voluntary workouts aren’t truly voluntary, and the NFL and the union rarely if ever did anything about it. As time went by, with more coaches saying things like “he should be here” and the league and the NFLPA doing nothing, coaches were emboldened to keep doing it.

The new CBA, however, added significant restrictions to offseason workouts, along with a clear commitment to eradicate contact from offseason drills. The CBA also repeated the unequivocal statement that “[n]o Club official may indicate to a player that the Club’s offseason workout program or classroom instruction is not voluntary.”

The fact that the comment came from the coach of the team co-owned by John Mara adds some intrigue to this specific situation. For more than a year, Cowboys and Commanders fans have been riled up by Mara’s role in the stripping of $46 million in total salary-cap space from two of the Giants’ NFC East rivals. The Cowboys and Commanders, however, broke no rules.

Here, Coughlin clearly did. The only question is whether the rule will be enforced. Cowboys and Commanders fans, whose teams were punished for rules they didn’t break, surely will be watching closely.
 

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I see nothing wrong, but it looks like it could be an issue.

But let's be real... it should just be a small fine for Coughlin if anything at all. Loss of draft pick? Please...
 

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Ntegrase96;5088649 said:
I see nothing wrong, but it looks like it could be an issue.

But let's be real... it should just be a small fine for Coughlin if anything at all. Loss of draft pick? Please...

I can understand a Skins fan wanting something so drastic - we were docked 10 mil in cap space and them 36mil for not even breaking any rules!! An actual rule being broken should entail some kind of punishment.
 

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Probably a slap on the wrist behind the scenes. IMO that is that way it should be handled. However if Coughlin continues to make such comments then the league should step in and publicly address the issue.
 

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Even if the NFL does something it will only be a 7th rd pick or something smaller.
 

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rocboy22;5088654 said:
I can understand a Skins fan wanting something so drastic - we were docked 10 mil in cap space and them 36mil for not even breaking any rules!! An actual rule being broken should entail some kind of punishment.

Yeah I completely understand. I'm still quite aggravated by the matter, but I just don't see this being such a big deal.

Also the nature of the rule is so subjective.
 

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draft picks should not be the penalty.

Coughlin should be fined. Maybe they should lose a day or two of practice times as well.
 

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Nothing will happen to the Gmen. They're untouchable when it comes to this kind of thing at this point.
 

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Ntegrase96;5088716 said:
Yeah I completely understand. I'm still quite aggravated by the matter, but I just don't see this being such a big deal.

Also the nature of the rule is so subjective.
I know nothing, or very little, will happen. That said, this was a "major win" for the NFLPA in the new CBA. Coaches and teams were not supposed to be able to say anything that implied a player should be at a voluntary workout. This wasn't a "spirit of the cap" illusion, this was an actual violation of a player's rights under the new CBA. Is it a bit ticky tack, yes, but it's not a nothing either, and the NFLPA should stand up for their players right to attend/not attend voluntary workouts. Maybe a draft pick is too harsh, I guess I don't dislike Coughlin so I wouldn't want him fined, But if they want to strip the team from Mara I would be ok with that :p:
 

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SkinsFan28;5089588 said:
I know nothing, or very little, will happen. That said, this was a "major win" for the NFLPA in the new CBA. Coaches and teams were not supposed to be able to say anything that implied a player should be at a voluntary workout. This wasn't a "spirit of the cap" illusion, this was an actual violation of a player's rights under the new CBA. Is it a bit ticky tack, yes, but it's not a nothing either, and the NFLPA should stand up for their players right to attend/not attend voluntary workouts. Maybe a draft pick is too harsh, I guess I don't dislike Coughlin so I wouldn't want him fined, But if they want to strip the team from Mara I would be ok with that :p:

Well that's what I'm getting at. The severity of any type of punishment would be minimal because. I don't literally mean 'nothing' when I'm talking about this. I mean 'nothing' as in a $7,500 fine is nothing to Coughlin.

I'm sure he'll get a quiet slap on the wrist.
 

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Ntegrase96;5088649 said:
I see nothing wrong, but it looks like it could be an issue.

But let's be real... it should just be a small fine for Coughlin if anything at all. Loss of draft pick? Please...

Considering we broke NO rule and lost millions of dollars off of our cap, i don't see how you find them losing a draft pick over this to be over the top.
 

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RoyTheHammer;5091906 said:
Considering we broke NO rule and lost millions of dollars off of our cap, i don't see how you find them losing a draft pick over this to be over the top.


And there's the misconception. We're not completely innocent.

We broke rules that were retroactively enacted.

Does that suck and is it completely unfair? Absolutely. But in order to be part of the cartel that is the NFL the Cowboys have basically signed off on being subjected to such an ambiguous range of authority-- There are rules with vague enough wording that could, essentially, be used to do just about anything as long as enough of the right people sign off on it.

And while yes that sucks, it's not like we lost much when you really think about it. $5MM in cap space for two years in exchange for the $40MM+ we had in cap space in 2010 and the 'advantage' we had by locking up Miles Austin. All in all, docking our cap space just balanced things out from 2010 at best, so how severe were the sanctions really?

Furthermore... a draft pick as punishment for a statement made by one man? Ridiculous. This isn't spygate. This isn't even nearly as underhanded as our Front Office's methods in 2010.
 
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