Gibbs (coach) vs Gibbs (president)

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ASHBURN, Va. -- Only two of this year's draft picks made the Washington Commanders, along with a pair of 34-year-olds acquired late in the preseason to fill holes not satisfactorily addressed in the offseason.

These are the latest reminders why Joe Gibbs is in the Hall of Fame as a coach, not as an executive.

Too often during his second term with the Commanders, Gibbs the head coach has been let down by Gibbs the team president. This year, the coach is trying to rebound from his worst season ever. Once again much of his fate is at the mercy of the president's offseason moves.

There were many calls for Gibbs to hire a general manager after last year's 5-11 season, which left him with a record of 21-27 since emerging from retirement. Under Gibbs -- and owner Dan Snyder -- the Commanders had made their mark signing older, big-name players at the expense of the rest of the roster.

So Gibbs changed tactics, spending less on free agency and putting more emphasis on the draft. The Commanders had traded picks wholesale in recent years, depleting the team's youth and depth. Gibbs' goal is to eventually go into a draft with a full set of picks, something Washington hasn't done since 2002.

So how does the new strategy manifest itself as the Commanders prepare for Sunday's season opener against the Miami Dolphins?

As always, there is good and bad.

Gibbs' biggest gaffe was a case of wishful thinking. With Derrick Dockery leaving to sign a mammoth free agent contract with Buffalo, Gibbs figured he could fill the hole by simply talking veteran tackle Todd Wade into playing left guard -- even though Wade had never played the position and didn't have the right build for it.

The experiment faltered quickly. Wade struggled and then was hurt in preseason. Because the Commanders have had so few draft picks, there wasn't a well-groomed, up-and-coming lineman to take his place.

None of the recycled veterans signed in the offseason was up to scratch, either, so Gibbs traded for 34-year-old Pete Kendall. Kendall probably could have been acquired much earlier -- he was in a bitter contract dispute with the New York Jets -- but instead he's racing against time to fit in with his new teammates.

"I think it was legit what we tried there," Gibbs said. "The good thing about Todd doing that is now we know he can play guard. I think it was worth it. We had a good plan, but sometimes your plans, you wind up adjusting them."

Then there are the ripple effects. To get Kendall, Gibbs had to trade a draft pick -- something he didn't want to do. The lack of depth on the line also meant the Commanders had to play an undrafted free agent at left tackle when Chris Samuels was hurt during camp.

Another issue: The Commanders had only five draft picks and didn't make the best of them. They selected three who didn't make the cut: linebacker Dallas Sartz (fifth round), quarterback Jordan Palmer (sixth) and tight end Tyler Ecker (seventh). Sartz appeared overmatched from Day 1, Palmer seemed a wasted pick for a team that had more pressing needs elsewhere, and Ecker got hurt.

The Dolphins, by comparison, have nine draft picks on their roster.

The lack of depth surfaced again when linebacker Marcus Washington dislocated his elbow during preseason. Gibbs responded by coaxing 34-year-old Randall Godfrey out of retirement and cutting well-liked veteran Lemar Marshall. There was no younger alternative on the team ready to plug the gap.

The news is certainly not all negative. Gibbs was savvy to re-sign running back Ladell Betts late last season, especially given Clinton Portis' ongoing knee problems. He also locked up valuable tight end Chris Cooley to a long-term deal last week.

The two draft picks that made the team look solid. Safety LaRon Landry (No. 5 overall) could be a great one, and linebacker H.B. Blades (sixth round) has won raves from coaches. Undrafted rookie tackle Stephon Heyer was a good find, as is first-year defensive end Lorenzo Alexander.

The modest free agent crop includes middle linebacker London Fletcher, who appears to be just the veteran needed to organize a defense that was shredded last year. Fred Smoot and David Macklin provide needed depth at cornerback.

Gibbs gambled by not upgrading an aging defensive line with a big-name free agent or high-round draft pick, but this is one case where youth development has paid off: Second-year players Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery are ready to play bigger roles, leading to the release of veterans Renaldo Wynn and Joe Salave'a.

Still, a lack of top-to-bottom talent is why few people are picking the Commanders to make the playoffs this year. While Gibbs' coaching performance has also been scrutinized, the success or failure of Gibbs' second time around has much to do with the other hat he wears.

"Always the proof is in the regular season," Gibbs said, "and how we play there."
 

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dallasfaniac;1621086 said:
Nothing new, but still funny nonetheless.


ASHBURN, Va. -- Only two of this year's draft picks made the Washington Commanders, along with a pair of 34-year-olds acquired late in the preseason to fill holes not satisfactorily addressed in the offseason.

These are the latest reminders why Joe Gibbs is in the Hall of Fame as a coach, not as an executive.

Too often during his second term with the Commanders, Gibbs the head coach has been let down by Gibbs the team president. This year, the coach is trying to rebound from his worst season ever. Once again much of his fate is at the mercy of the president's offseason moves.

There were many calls for Gibbs to hire a general manager after last year's 5-11 season, which left him with a record of 21-27 since emerging from retirement. Under Gibbs -- and owner Dan Snyder -- the Commanders had made their mark signing older, big-name players at the expense of the rest of the roster.

So Gibbs changed tactics, spending less on free agency and putting more emphasis on the draft. The Commanders had traded picks wholesale in recent years, depleting the team's youth and depth. Gibbs' goal is to eventually go into a draft with a full set of picks, something Washington hasn't done since 2002.

So how does the new strategy manifest itself as the Commanders prepare for Sunday's season opener against the Miami Dolphins?

As always, there is good and bad.

Gibbs' biggest gaffe was a case of wishful thinking. With Derrick Dockery leaving to sign a mammoth free agent contract with Buffalo, Gibbs figured he could fill the hole by simply talking veteran tackle Todd Wade into playing left guard -- even though Wade had never played the position and didn't have the right build for it.

The experiment faltered quickly. Wade struggled and then was hurt in preseason. Because the Commanders have had so few draft picks, there wasn't a well-groomed, up-and-coming lineman to take his place.

None of the recycled veterans signed in the offseason was up to scratch, either, so Gibbs traded for 34-year-old Pete Kendall. Kendall probably could have been acquired much earlier -- he was in a bitter contract dispute with the New York Jets -- but instead he's racing against time to fit in with his new teammates.

"I think it was legit what we tried there," Gibbs said. "The good thing about Todd doing that is now we know he can play guard. I think it was worth it. We had a good plan, but sometimes your plans, you wind up adjusting them."

Then there are the ripple effects. To get Kendall, Gibbs had to trade a draft pick -- something he didn't want to do. The lack of depth on the line also meant the Commanders had to play an undrafted free agent at left tackle when Chris Samuels was hurt during camp.

Another issue: The Commanders had only five draft picks and didn't make the best of them. They selected three who didn't make the cut: linebacker Dallas Sartz (fifth round), quarterback Jordan Palmer (sixth) and tight end Tyler Ecker (seventh). Sartz appeared overmatched from Day 1, Palmer seemed a wasted pick for a team that had more pressing needs elsewhere, and Ecker got hurt.

The Dolphins, by comparison, have nine draft picks on their roster.

The lack of depth surfaced again when linebacker Marcus Washington dislocated his elbow during preseason. Gibbs responded by coaxing 34-year-old Randall Godfrey out of retirement and cutting well-liked veteran Lemar Marshall. There was no younger alternative on the team ready to plug the gap.

The news is certainly not all negative. Gibbs was savvy to re-sign running back Ladell Betts late last season, especially given Clinton Portis' ongoing knee problems. He also locked up valuable tight end Chris Cooley to a long-term deal last week.

The two draft picks that made the team look solid. Safety LaRon Landry (No. 5 overall) could be a great one, and linebacker H.B. Blades (sixth round) has won raves from coaches. Undrafted rookie tackle Stephon Heyer was a good find, as is first-year defensive end Lorenzo Alexander.

The modest free agent crop includes middle linebacker London Fletcher, who appears to be just the veteran needed to organize a defense that was shredded last year. Fred Smoot and David Macklin provide needed depth at cornerback.

Gibbs gambled by not upgrading an aging defensive line with a big-name free agent or high-round draft pick, but this is one case where youth development has paid off: Second-year players Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery are ready to play bigger roles, leading to the release of veterans Renaldo Wynn and Joe Salave'a.

Still, a lack of top-to-bottom talent is why few people are picking the Commanders to make the playoffs this year. While Gibbs' coaching performance has also been scrutinized, the success or failure of Gibbs' second time around has much to do with the other hat he wears.

"Always the proof is in the regular season," Gibbs said, "and how we play there."

Three of their 5 didn't make the cut!!!:D
 

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dallasfaniac;1621086 said:
Too often during his second term with the Commanders, Gibbs the head coach has been let down by Gibbs the team president. This year, the coach is trying to rebound from his worst season ever. Once again much of his fate is at the mercy of the president's offseason moves.

Does the writer actually expect Gibbs to abdicate his 'president' duties as he already has his coaching?

Saunders and Williams already run the show on sunday - Joe has to have something to do.
 

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They'll be playoff contenders in this weak NFC this year-they're in alot of trouble for years to come, but their talent is nonethless good enough for them to make a run at the WC.
 

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TunaFan33;1621243 said:
They'll be playoff contenders in this weak NFC this year-they're in alot of trouble for years to come, but their talent is nonethless good enough for them to make a run at the WC.

IF "WC" refers to water closet, I agree.
 

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1fisher;1621226 said:
Three of their 5 didn't make the cut!!!:D

Thanks for quoting the whole article to say that to us.
 

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LaTunaNostra;1621237 said:
Does the writer actually expect Gibbs to abdicate his 'president' duties as he already has his coaching?

Saunders and Williams already run the show on sunday - Joe has to have something to do.
Astute observation. I don't even think any Commanders fans could give you a legitimate explanation of what Gibbs actually "does".

Idgit;1621334 said:
Thanks for quoting the whole article to say that to us.
Pet-peeve cosigned. Spread the word, brother.
 

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Idgit;1621334 said:
Thanks for quoting the whole article to say that to us.


I realized it after I posted.... thanks for noticing. Thank you post patrol!:wink2:
 

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The Patriots only kept two of their draft picks, aswell. Maybe this is a new trend that is starting around the league :)
 

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superpunk;1621351 said:
Astute observation. I don't even think any Commanders fans could give you a legitimate explanation of what Gibbs actually "does".


Pet-peeve cosigned. Spread the word, brother.



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AmishGangsta;1621382 said:
The Patriots only kept two of their draft picks, aswell. Maybe this is a new trend that is starting around the league :)

There might be difference in talent between the AFC runner up/team of the century vs. a cellar dweller.
 

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AmishGangsta;1621382 said:
The Patriots only kept two of their draft picks, aswell. Maybe this is a new trend that is starting around the league :)
I believe the Patriots are on the decline. The mediots love them, but I think their SB days are over. They were really lucky to get past San Diego last year.
 

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AmishGangsta;1621382 said:
The Patriots only kept two of their draft picks, aswell. Maybe this is a new trend that is starting around the league :)

The rest of their 53 man roster is good to go anyways, unlike the Skins, so it's moot.
 

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Lets not forget that we only had 1 first day pick and 4 second day picks. Landry and HB Blades made the roster and Blades was a steel that should have been drafted in the 3rd round. He will be the heir apparent to London Fletcher.

We have a steal in Stephon Heyer an undrafted Tackle from the University of Md that played well in the preseason covering for Samuel's. He only improved as the preseason went on.

We also signed Mason who seems to have a bit of talent at running back.

Even the Patriots had only 2 players make their roster from the draft class.
 

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AtlCB;1621437 said:
I believe the Patriots are on the decline. The mediots love them, but I think their SB days are over. They were really lucky to get past San Diego last year.


Bingo
 

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SkinsFanMania;1621505 said:
Lets not forget that we only had 1 first day pick and 4 second day picks. Landry and HB Blades made the roster and Blades was a steel that should have been drafted in the 3rd round. He will be the heir apparent to London Fletcher.

We have a steal in Stephon Heyer an undrafted Tackle from the University of Md that played well in the preseason covering for Samuel's. He only improved as the preseason went on.

We also signed Mason who seems to have a bit of talent at running back.

Even the Patriots had only 2 players make their roster from the draft class.
If it's all the same to you, I'd much rather forget that you have a Landry now, and that I have called him the best Safety for 2 years now.
 

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SkinsFanMania;1621505 said:
Lets not forget that we only had 1 first day pick and 4 second day picks. Landry and HB Blades made the roster and Blades was a steel that should have been drafted in the 3rd round. He will be the heir apparent to London Fletcher..

Has Blades played a down of meaningful football yet?

We have a steal in Stephon Heyer an undrafted Tackle from the University of Md that played well in the preseason covering for Samuel's. He only improved as the preseason went on.

Heyer played so well that Skins fans were clamoring for Gibbs to bench Heyer and move Wade to left tackle before Campbell would get seriously injured.


Even the Patriots had only 2 players make their roster from the draft class

Big difference. The Patriots went 12-4 last year to the Skins 5-11. The Pats already had more talent on their roster and with their FA additions were pretty much stacked.





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Yakuza Rich;1621518 said:
Big difference. The Patriots went 12-4 last year to the Skins 5-11. The Pats already had more talent on their roster and with their FA additions were pretty much stacked. YAKUZA

Skins actually had about the same talent as the Pats last year and better coaching. They get jobbed by the refs and had some key injuries. Or so I heard.
 

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Who gives a rats *** about a fifth and sixth rounder getting cut?

We got the best defensive player in the draft. A guy who will dominate in this league for a real long time.

I could give a **** about Dallas Sartz and Jordan Palmer. Plus Heyer and Marcus Mason have been very impressive as rookies.

Yakuza Rich, no one besides Jason LaCanfora was asking for Heyer to be benched. He had a very good preseason, except the one play where Brett Keisel cheap shotted Campbell. Even then Heyer held his own just in time for Campbell to complete the pass to Cooley. You say Commanders fans wanted him benched, I'd love to see you find me atleast 10 Skins fans who wanted him out of the lineup.
 
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