Gimme's roster analysis (offense)

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Quarterback
WHO'S HERE
Tony Romo, Brad Johnson, Richard Bartel, Jeff Terrell (workout)
WHO'S GONE No one
ANALYSIS Dallas is short on bodies at this position, although a workout player has been added for the minicamp. It would be good if the Cowboys bring in someone who is at least a threat to replace Johnson, who didn't show much last preseason or in his brief appearance and isn't going to get any better at his age. But I don't think it's likely to happen this year. The Cowboys have mentioned getting another veteran to add to the mix, and they've also mentioned that they like the progress of Bartel, who showed some promise in the final preseason game last year. We're in the best shape we've been in since Troy Aikman as far as the starter goes, and I like the developmental prospect (although I'd like to get him some competition), but I don't believe Johnson can keep the train running smoothly if something happened to Romo. But I also am not sure there's much we can do about that right now.

Fullback
WHO'S HERE
Deon Anderson, Roger Cruz, Julius Crosslin
WHO'S GONE Oliver Hoyte
ANALYSIS The return of the more versatile fullback in Dallas was signaled by Hoyte's departure. Hoyte was a blocker with minimal receiving skills. Anderson proved in limited time to be a good receiver out of the backfield, able to get upfield some to make catches and also turn upfield quickly after catching the ball. His blocking improved from where he started, but still needs some work and he hasn't received any carries, so there is work to be done if he's going to be the "triple threat" that offensive coordinator Jason Garrett wants. Because of his need for improvement, I thought Dallas needed to address the position in the draft to provide quality competition, but it seems the Cowboys have faith in Anderson's abilities. Cruz and Crosslin are competing to be his backup, although Dallas could just keep one fullback on the roster.

Running back
WHO'S HERE
Marion Barber, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Alonzo Coleman, Keon Lattimore
WHO'S GONE Julius Jones, Tyson Thompson
ANALYSIS Barber has proven he can at least shine with a limited number of carries, spinning, bulling and willing his way into being a star back. We don't know how his body or his style of play would hold up to carrying the whole load, but fortunately we shouldn't have to find out. Stepping in to help keep Barber fresh is our first-round pick. Felix Jones should be everything Julius Jones was expected to be, a home run threat with the feet and vision to weave through traffic. Now, like with all picks, it's possible that Felix Jones won't live up to those expectations. But if he doesn't Dallas got great insurance with Choice, one of my favorite backs in the draft because of his vision, cutting ability and toughness. It's likely that at least one of these backs will be able to take on the relief role and do well enough that we won't miss Barber when he's on the sideline. It's also possible that all three will be good enough to warrant playing time. Because of the quality we have here, Coleman might be looking at a return to the practice squad, and Lattimore likely only will be a camp body.

Tight end
WHO'S HERE
Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett, Tony Curtis, Rodney Hannah, Andrew Atchison
WHO'S GONE Anthony Fasano
ANALYSIS Witten is among the best in the league, so there's no problem there, and I really like the progress Curtis showed last year in the preseason and during the season. He shows the ability to get open, good hands and made solid blocks the times that they showed him blocking. His development is the primary reason that I believed we would trade Fasano, and it's also the main reason the Bennett pick baffled me. Presumably, Curtis was pushing for the No. 2 spot, so did Dallas really need to spend a second-round pick on a tight end? If anything, it at least creates good competition for the spot, and if Bennett pans out, gives us strong depth at the position and a good group for three-tight end formations. I'm certainly not against improving the depth on this team, but Bennett needs to show he can be an upgrade to both Fasano AND Curtis for this move to really make sense. Hannah was a project last year, and Atchison appears to be this year, so a practice squad awaits the better project.

Wide receiver
WHO'S HERE
Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Patrick Crayton, Isaiah Stanback, Sam Hurd, Miles Austin, Mike Jefferson, Danny Amendola, Mark Bradford, Daniel Polk, Joe West
WHO'S NOT No one
ANALYSIS Because of the age of Owens and health/age of Glenn, it would have been good for Dallas to get another starting-caliber receiver. Dallas has shown it can win without Glenn, but not without a healthy Owens. Perhaps someone, particularly Stanback, will step up to provide a starting-caliber option, but that's only a wish at this point. So as it stands right now, as long as Owens is healthy, the Cowboys have a chance at being a very good passing team. If Glenn can go for one more season, the Cowboys are even better. Other than Stanback, it doesn't appear anyone can change that. Despite his drops, Crayton is a good THIRD receiver. Hurd has good hands, but questionable speed; Austin has good speed, but questionable hands. The guys contending to knock them off the 53 have similar weaknesses, particularly speed, but Bradford might have a chance at least of seizing a roster spot. It's hopeful that someone will emerge from this group to be starter worthy, but most likely as goes Owens, so goes the Cowboys.

Line
WHO'S HERE
Flozell Adams, Kyle Kosier, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, Marc Colombo, Doug Free, Pat McQuistan, Cory Proctor, Joe Berger, James Marten, Andrew Brecher, Brandon Hale
WHO'S GONE No one
ANALYSIS The good news is that there is no change from one of the top lines in the league last year. The bad news is that this line does have its deficiences ... lots of power, but an overall lack of quickness and some trouble recognizing/handling blitzes. That's a bit nitpicky considering the linemen we have and how they did overall, but those areas of concern showed up strong in the second half against New York. Hopefully, having Hudson Houck back as line coach will help this group improve on its weaknesses. I also was hopeful some interior line competition would be brought in at least for the backup spots, but what we've got is mostly adequate. Maybe with Adams being re-signed, one of the tackles - either McQuistan or Marten - will be moved inside to create competition. I don't expect the rookies to take anyone's job.

OVERVIEW An offense that was second in the league in scoring and third in total yards returns almost completely intact. The "weakest" area statwise, rushing offense, is the area that was addressed the most. There are other improvements that could have helped this offense, but overall it should remain one of the top ones in the league this year as long as Romo, Owens and Witten stay healthy (and the need for Witten to stay healthy could be lowered some by Bennett's play.)
 

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Great Post, I made a few changes here, here are my thoughts & changes!

Joe's roster analysis Changes off of Gimmes great post(offense)

QuarterbackWHO'S HERE Tony Romo, Brad Johnson, Richard Bartel, Jeff Terrell (workout)WHO'S GONE I think if the Cowboys can work a trade with Tampa Bay for a reasonable price, you might see Sims here. You cant depend on Romo staying healthy a full year again, you need a solid backup. Now unless Bartel shows something significant, which I doubt, (I?m not doubting him, but it took Romo 4 years to step forward). I heard he is as green as they come, so you would want insurance if you are going to make a run at the Super Bowl this year. ANALYSIS Dallas is short on bodies at this position, although a workout player has been added for the minicamp. This is where I think they go after Sims, if affordable, Jerry Jones did mention possibility during draft time. I do like Bartel, he has a cannon of a arm, I heard stronger than Romo?s, but he is still wet behind the ears. Now, if he shows alittle in preseason, I wouldn?t try to squeeze him to waivers, that?s where the Cowboys lost Moore, and I am still upset that the Cowboys didn?t call around and ask GM?s etc, if they could get him through like Parcells did call around about Miles Austin and Hurd one year. . I still think they go get Sims.

FullbackWHO'S HERE Deon Anderson, Roger Cruz, Julius CrosslinWHO'S GONE Oliver HoyteANALYSIS The return of the more versatile fullback in Dallas was signaled by Hoyte's departure. Hoyte was a MONSTER blocker with minimal receiving skills. I think two things in this area, I think they will try to employ the double TE formation with Bennett, he is a beast. I am going on record here and saying, that you heard it first here. I think Bennett will have a monster year with Dallas, and that he will make some plays in preseason showing his athletisim like Shockey idd his first year when he was with the Giants and ran over people, and that flared up the Giants that year too. You heard it here first. Next, I wouldn?t be surprised if the Cowboys try the linebacker Welden some. Anderson proved in limited time to be a good receiver out of the backfield, able to get up field some to make catches and also turn up field quickly after catching the ball. I was shocked when the Cowboys didn?t go after a fullback in the draft, they are taking a big chance on Anderson coming off of his shoulder surgery, generally as I remember it takes 2 years to fully recover from that. That?s where I think Bennett comes in. Anderson?s blocking improved from where he started, but still needs some work and he hasn't received any carries, so there is work to be done if he's going to be the "triple threat" that offensive coordinator Jason Garrett wants. quality competition, but it seems the Cowboys have faith in Anderson's abilities. I see the Cowboys keeping 2 fullbacks on the roster, because you just don?t know about Anderson?s shoulder and holding up the whole year. Too big a gamble for me and I think for the Cowboys too.

Running backWHO'S HERE Marion Barber, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Alonzo Coleman, Keon LattimoreWHO'S GONE Julius Jones, Tyson ThompsonANALYSIS Barber has proven he can at least shine with a limited number of carries, spinning, bulling and willing his way into being a star back. I think first that the Cowboys will resign Barber, its taking again too much a gamble on rookie running backs. Next, we all saw how Barber ran over the Giants in the first half, but ran out of gas in the 2nd half, so we need Felix Jones and Choice. This is what I see, Barber will bulldoze over the defensive players, Felix Jones will run around them, and Choice will bury them. Stepping in to help keep Barber fresh is our first-round pick. Felix Jones should be everything Julius Jones was expected to be, a home run threat with the feet and vision to weave through traffic. To me, Felix Jones has too much talent now to succeed in the NFL. Dallas got great insurance with Choice, one of my favorite backs in the draft because of his vision, ( I like Choice too, his speech at a game was wow, just awesome) cutting ability and toughness. Then, you add in the heart that Choice has, just like Emmitt Smiths big heart, and Choice will also make a big impact on special teams. Just like T D in Denver retired now, (Terrell Davis) he made his way onto the roster making big hits on special teams. If you listened to Choice, he mentioned that he loves Dallas ever since he grew up. So, that?s a big plus too. It's likely that at least one of these backs will be able to take on the relief role and do well enough that we won't miss Barber when he's on the sideline. It's also possible that all three will be good enough to warrant playing time. If Coleman shows anything, I think he might get traded in the off-season, unless he shows a big knack on special teams, I do remember at college he was a killer on special teams best I remember and kickoff guy too. Maybe Coleman hamstring problems are finally over.

Tight endWHO'S HERE Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett, Tony Curtis, Rodney Hannah, Andrew AtchisonWHO'S GONE Anthony FasanoANALYSIS Witten is among the best in the league, so there's no problem there. Don?t get me wrong I like Curtis, but he is real slow in the 40, that?s where I think Bennett comes in. He is a monster, even bigger than Jason Witten and that?s saying a lot. Witten is 6-5 255 best I remember. Whereas Bennett is 6-6 ½ 259 with 4.76 in 40, just a shade behind Witten in the 40 who has 4.74 speed in the 40. I really like the progress Curtis showed last year in the preseason and during the season, too. . He shows the ability to get open, good hands and made solid blocks the times that they showed him blocking. Also because of Bennett?s great size and basketball ability, you will see Bennett in a lot of red zone formations. The Cowboys especially Jerry Jones explored on this in the draft. . Hannah was a project last year, and Atchison appears to be this year, so a practice squad awaits the better project. Although, I had high hopes for Hannah, I still do, he is a tall big TE too, but I am beginning to wonder now, they saw Hannah in the offseason, yet they drafted Bennett, so probably doesn?t look good for Hannah.

Wide receiver I change it up with one addition. Pacman, you will see him most likely playing some in the slot. Also, from what I saw on video of undrafted players, you might see Daniel Polk if he has hands that can catch, you might see him play in the slot, boy oh boy, can he cut and he has extreme quickness and moves, he can turn on you in a dime. You read it here first!!!!!! WHO'S HERE Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Patrick Crayton, Isaiah Stanback, Sam Hurd, Miles Austin, Mike Jefferson, Danny Amendola, Mark Bradford, Daniel Polk, Joe West, (PACMAN) WHO'S NOT No oneANALYSIS Because of the age of Owens and health/age of Glenn, it would have been good for Dallas to get another starting-caliber receiver. Dallas has shown it can win without Glenn, but not without a healthy Owens. Perhaps someone, particularly Stanback, will step up to provide a starting-caliber option, but that's only a wish at this point. So as it stands right now, as long as Owens is healthy, the Cowboys have a chance at being a very good passing team. If Glenn can go for one more season, the Cowboys are even better. Other than Stanback, it doesn't appear anyone can change that. Despite his drops, Crayton is a good THIRD receiver. Hurd has good hands, but questionable speed; Austin has good speed, but questionable hands. The guys contending to knock them off the 53 have similar weaknesses, particularly speed, but Bradford might have a chance at least of seizing a roster spot. It's hopeful that someone will emerge from this group to be starter worthy, but most likely as goes Owens, so goes the Cowboys.

OffensiveLineWHO'S HERE Flozell Adams, Kyle Kosier, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, Marc Colombo, Doug Free, Pat McQuistan, Cory Proctor, Joe Berger, James Marten, Andrew Brecher, Brandon HaleWHO'S GONE No oneANALYSIS The good news is that there is no change from one of the top lines in the league last year. The bad news is that this line does have its deficiencies ... lots of power, but an overall lack of quickness and some trouble recognizing/handling blitzes. That's a bit nitpicky considering the linemen we have and how they did overall, but those areas of concern showed up strong in the second half against New York. Hopefully, having Hudson Houck back as line coach will help this group improve on its weaknesses. I also was hopeful some interior line competition would be brought in at least for the backup spots, but what we've got is mostly adequate. Maybe with Adams being re-signed, one of the tackles - either McQuistan or Marten - will be moved inside to create competition. This is where I think the Cowboys might make a change or two on the offensive line. Last year if you remember, Jerry Jones talked about possibility of moving McQuistan to offensive guard. As we all know our weakest link on the offensive line is Kosier. This is where I Think the Cowboys will try McQuistan at LOG> IN fact sometime during the season I think he will beat out Kosier, then you will see Kosier back up both OT?s and Center. McQuistan is bigger and stronger than Kosier and he can open holes more, and if you watched McQuistan in preseason, he didn?t let anyone get to the QB. Then, we will have 2 big huge offensive guards Leonard Davis and McQuistan, with Kosier backing up. Then, if you watched, Doug Free started coming on at LOT. This will free McQuistan to move to LOG. James Marten I am not real fond of right now. First, he held out too long, lost playing time, then he came into training camp about 20 pounds too light and he got pushed around. Even Marten said he played sloppy. They might try Marten at ROT< since we will need to either resign Columbo next year, or get Marten into shape. I am real ticked off at James Marten right now, he talked on the David Smoak show how nasty he likes to play and he played like a whimp in preseason last year. .

OVERVIEW I didn?t see any need to make changes here except for Bennett showing up big and Pacman playing in the slot, I give Daniel Polk an outside chance because of what former QB that came out of college for the Cowboys, and converted over to WR, Drew Pearson. I am not saying Polk has that ability, but I am saying, if he has hands and works hard with Romo, etc, he has a chance. And I am going by what the Cowboys staff told T O after the season was over, they said, compared to the Patriots and what they did with Randy Moss and Wes Welker last year, when the Cowboys get through this year, you are going to go WOW!!! Now, we have our Randy Moss in T O, so whom is our Wes Welker, that?s where Pacman comes in, etc, even Whychek ex Titan fullback TE said, I wouldn?t be surprised to see the Cowboys use Pacman on offense some in the slot, and Pro Football Weekly said, the same thing, look for Pacman on offense some, since the Titans used him some on offense some. An offense that was second in the league in scoring and third in total yards returns almost completely intact. The "weakest" area stat wise, rushing offense, is the area that was addressed the most. There are other improvements that could have helped this offense, but overall it should remain one of the top ones in the league this year as long as Romo, Owens and Witten stay healthy (and the need for Witten to stay healthy will be lowered some by Bennett's play.)
 

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Great post, Gimmie.

As far as the battle to knock Austin/Hurd off I'd say that yeah Bradford has a chance, but I think Amendola has a better shot.
 

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TheCount;2067545 said:
Great post, Gimmie.

As far as the battle to knock Austin/Hurd off I'd say that yeah Bradford has a chance, but I think Amendola has a better shot.

I'm not sure on Amendola. He's going to have to play smart and quick to make up for his size and lack of great speed.

People want to compare him to Welker, but I'm not sure he's quite as athletic as Welker.

I could see him making a push for the practice squad, but I'm not sure he's better than what we've got. I'm not sure with Bradford, either, but I do like some of the things I've read.
 

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cowboyjoe;2067536 said:
Great Post, I made a few changes here, here are my thoughts & changes!

Polk is intriguing, but I don't know enough about whether he can make the transition or how long it will take.

As far as Adam Jones goes, I guess it's possible he'll see time on offense, but considering how late he'll be reinstated, I think just getting him up to speed and in football condition to contribute on defense and as a punt returner will probably be enough. At least early in the season.
 

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gimmesix;2067557 said:
I'm not sure on Amendola. He's going to have to play smart and quick to make up for his size and lack of great speed.

People want to compare him to Welker, but I'm not sure he's quite as athletic as Welker.

I could see him making a push for the practice squad, but I'm not sure he's better than what we've got. I'm not sure with Bradford, either, but I do like some of the things I've read.

He is pretty quick, and he runs pretty good routes. I think he's got a better shot over Bradford simply beacause he gives us something different. We've got a possession guy already in Hurd and Crayton. I don't really think either will be ready to contribute much anytime soon though.
 

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TheCount;2067592 said:
He is pretty quick, and he runs pretty good routes. I think he's got a better shot over Bradford simply beacause he gives us something different. We've got a possession guy already in Hurd and Crayton. I don't really think either will be ready to contribute much anytime soon though.

Probably not, as far as them contributing.

As far as being a possession guy, though, wouldn't Amendola also qualify as one? He's certainly not a deep threat.
 

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gimmesix;2067652 said:
Probably not, as far as them contributing.

As far as being a possession guy, though, wouldn't Amendola also qualify as one? He's certainly not a deep threat.

You're right, but he could be a good slot guy.

I, of course, have no idea since we haven't seen him on an NFL field.
 

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TheCount;2067660 said:
You're right, but he could be a good slot guy.

I, of course, have no idea since we haven't seen him on an NFL field.

It'll be interesting to see what the newbies have got.

I don't think it will be all that easy to knock any of the entrenched receivers off the roster because they've all got some good qualities. But if they don't show progress it will be easier.

Austin might be on the bubble the most because we've now got some return men, so he's going to have to prove he deserves the spot as a receiver. I do love the separation he can get, and he's one of our few fast guys at the position, but he better ramp up his concentration.
 

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I'd like to give a short take on it.

QB: Romo- hoped he worked on his ball handling, not fumbling, and not trying to do too much. About all can be said. None of us here know the little things the coaches are pounding him on.

Bartel they like. Stonest arm on team (Romo has enough strength, but it's his release thats the killa) and fairly accurate. He needs to recognize the D, know where the WRs are going including should be blitzes, this defense, yada yada, the needs to go thru the progressions. IOWs he needs to learn to be a NFL QB. He'll go back to the PS unless someone they like better becomes available then they'll cut him and sign the new savior.

Johnson shouldn't be on the field except for one thing. He can maybe possibly sorta kinda try to get it done. I don't think he can do more than a quarter or three. And I don't want him in the postion of having to win games.

I'd love to see them looking for a young vet to be the backup. I think Simms could do as good a job as Johnson in driving the bus. And I think he can do better if he's in the postion of having to win the game. If we got Sims I'd release Johnson, give him a beeper and ask him to stay in touch, and use Bartel just enough in camp to get a look at him this year. Then to the PS keeping just two QBs on the active roster possibly naming Bartel as the emergency QB for game time.
 

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RBs: This year I suspect we will have a few packages of J+B, B+C, J+C ( the JC package). You'll also are going to see TO in the backfield and all over the place. And the TEs will be in the H-Back role. Stanback will also play out of the backfield maybe even more than TO. Enough of the pseudo-running backs.

MB will start with FJ in the same backfield enough. See above packages. I'd expect MB to get 50-60&#37; and 70-80% on the goal line. We'll see.

FB: Much the same as last year. They will probably keep just one unless another FB shows multiple talents inc ST to the point you have to keep him and go short another area. A second FB is likely to be first cut if the need more depth anywhere else.

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