Gimme's roster analysis (special teams)

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Kicker
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Nick Folk
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ANALYSIS Unless rookie punter Jay Ottovegio can also kick off, it would seem we need another body at this position for camp to keep from wearing down Folk. However, maybe since he's young Dallas wants to get him as much work as possible. Folk was very good overall as a field-goal kicker in his rookie season, and does a pretty good job of putting his kicks through the middle of the uprights. He also showed some nice poise, particularly in the Buffalo game, which probably earned him his Pro Bowl spot. The main area he needs to work on is his kickoffs as he wasn't consistent with their depth and didn't put many in the end zone. Hopefully, he is working on his leg strength and kickoff distance this off-season so he can do a better job getting them into the end zone or inside the 5.

Punter
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Mat McBriar, Jay Ottovegio
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ANALYSIS Statistically, McBriar didn't have as big of a season as the previous year, but there was really no drop-off in his play. Although he's good for a couple of miskicks each year, he still showed the ability to boom punts and used his flip-flop punt to effect inside the 20. It appeared that McBriar tried to do more directional punting last year, but I didn't see any evidence that he was real successful at it. Still, he's a Pro Bowl-caliber punter and Dallas is fortunate to have him. Because he is that good, Ottovegio is obviously on the roster to provide relief in the preseason.

Long snapper
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L.P. Ladouceur
WHO'S GONE No one
ANALYSIS Dallas locking up Ladouceur for five years should show what the Cowboys think of their long snapper. He's the best we've had since Dale Hellestrae and might be on the roster about as long as Hellestrae was. Ladouceur has good speed and accuracy on his snaps, and rarely is a slightly off-target. It seemed to me that he actually showed improvement last season on place-kicks. In 2006, Tony Romo did a good job of catching several snaps to the back of his forward shoulder. In 2007, I don't remember Brad Johnson having to do that.

Holder
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Brad Johnson
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ANALYSIS If there is one job Johnson seems suited for as the backup quarterback, it's holding on place-kicks. Part of Nick Folk's success had to do with Johnson's operation as the holder, placing the ball down at the right angle and getting the laces turned. It's easy to overlook that, but it can be the difference between a good kick and an ugly one. That's not saying someone else couldn't be trained to do the job and do it well, but Johnson gets credit for doing it right and consistently.

Kickoff return
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Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, Adam Jones, Miles Austin, etc.
WHO'S GONE Tyson Thompson, Keith Davis, Anthony Fasano
ANALYSIS We lost a couple of blockers and a benched return man, but that shouldn't be too hard to replace. And it's relatively miniscule compared to what we've potentially gained. Felix Jones should take over as the primary return man. He has the skills to weave through traffic, switch lanes when one closes and just understands the nuances of kick returning, such as how to set up blocks. That's not a big knock on Austin, who has done a pretty good job of picking a lane and using a good burst to take advantage of it. The difference is Austin will go as far as his lane takes him. He has pretty good speed, but can't really make abrupt lane shifts that are sometimes necessary to pick up extra yards or break a return. He also shows the ability to bounce off a few tackle attempts, and will likely fight to line up next to Jones in the end zone. Jenkins, who also appears to be more of a one-lane return man with little cutback ability, and Scandrick likely also will be vying for that spot. Adam Jones could also be in the mix.

Punt return
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Adam Jones, Terence Newman, Patrick Crayton, Danny Amendola
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ANALYSIS I have no doubt that if Newman was given as many opportunities to return punts as Adam Jones has been that Newman would have similar success, based on what we've seen (although Newman didn't take advantage of his few chances last year while playing hurt). But Dallas hasn't wanted to use Newman because of the risk. This year, the Cowboys have no need to put Newman at punt returner if Jones is reinstated. Jones is an electric return man who has shown the ability to score touchdowns and should rev up the position in comparison to Crayton, the regular return man who tries hard but doesn't have the burst or speed needed. However, if Jones isn't reinstated, I would expect Newman to be the regular return man because he is the best option and because of our improved depth at cornerback. Either way, we would have a true return threat at the position. Amendola would have an outside shot if he makes the roster.

Kick/punt coverage
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Orlando Scandrick, Mike Jenkins, Tashard Choice, Deon Anderson, Sam Hurd, Pat Watkins, etc.
WHO'S GONE Keith Davis, Anthony Fasano, Nate Jones
ANALYSIS Dallas lost the heart of its coverage teams with the departure of Davis. He didn't lead the team in tackles, but seemed to provide the attitude and lead the charge that made them better when he was on the field than when he wasn't. Anderson could provide those things this year with his take-no-prisoners mentality. He'll break up the wedge, but someone else will have be the finisher. That role could be taken by one of the speedy corners or even second-year players like Alan Ball or Courtney Brown, but a player to watch is Choice. He's a smart, tough player who is willing to do whatever is asked of him, and it wouldn't be a surprise for him to end up standing out on kickoff coverage. On punt coverage, Dallas needs for one of the young corners to step in as a gunner and they have the speed to get downfield and to the return man quickly. If Adams Jones isn't a starter, he should also be involved on the coverage teams, giving them even more ability to get people down the field in a hurry. Overall, these units should be enhanced by the infusion of speed and the development of a few second-year players. But I still have doubts about Bruce Read's abilities as a special teams coach.

OVERVIEW The kicking operation is in good hands, and the only area of it that absolutely needs to be improved is kickoffs. The return units should benefit from the draft and the trade for Adam Jones because both bring some high-quality returners to the team. The coverage units might miss Keith Davis, but the addition of several speedy players and return of Deon Anderson could make up for his absence. Being in the second year under Bruce Read hopefully will also help the players better understand their assignments and maintain their lanes, although the rookies will obviously have to learn.
 

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Like everything here except the coverage units...against the Giants we were horrible in special teams coverage. And Davis has gone now too.....worrying.
 

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nice analysis.I am not worried about our KR/PR.We got 2 new guys who are really good at that position in felix and pacman.I am really worried about our coverage teams which sucked last year and we were bailed out of some tough situations beacause our offense was so prolific.I am not impressed with bruce read either.
I hope scandrick can take over davis's role.
 

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The Bobby Seal of Approval. Nice indeed.

Um, but, the nicest thing we can say about brad is his holding ability?

Yes, it is about special teams, but would it kill the analysis to say he is a serviceable QB? Something that may factor of him staying?
Or is he a serviceable QB?

I say give that young'un that matt moore or somethin a chance like we gave Romo a chance. Anything is better than old man Brad Johnson.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2070029 said:
The Bobby Seal of Approval. Nice indeed.

Um, but, the nicest thing we can say about brad is his holding ability?

Yes, it is about special teams, but would it kill the analysis to say he is a serviceable QB? Something that may factor of him staying?
Or is he a serviceable QB?

I say give that young'un that matt moore or somethin a chance like we gave Romo a chance. Anything is better than old man Brad Johnson.

That Matt Moore is getting a chance...in Carolina unfortunately.
 

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That was a really good breakdown. Just one thing I want to say about it. If we put Terence Newman back to return punts this year at any time I may go ballistic. We have enough options to not risk him back there. I would risk all of the other guys. I would not risk him.
 

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Hostile;2070158 said:
If we put Terence Newman back to return punts this year at any time I may go ballistic. We have enough options to not risk him back there. I would risk all of the other guys. I would not risk him.
TNew was a terror in college. Every time he stepped onto the field people would watch just to see if he could take it to the house.

Now I don't want him doing it for the exact reason you gave. It's more important to have him at 100% playing CB. Put someone else back there.

Hopefully the torch has been passed. Crayton (either by his decision or the coaching staffs) just killed me with his fair catches. Even if he was good at it. :cool:
 

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big dog cowboy;2070177 said:
TNew was a terror in college. Every time he stepped onto the field people would watch just to see if he could take it to the house.

Now I don't want him doing it for the exact reason you gave. It's more important to have him at 100% playing CB. Put someone else back there.

Hopefully the torch has been passed. Crayton (either by his decision or the coaching staffs) just killed me with his fair catches. Even if he was good at it. :cool:
I am not saying this to be offensive. The rest of those guys are expendable. Newman is not.
 

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The reality is Newman is almost 30 and hasn't done much as a return man since he's been in the NFL. We've got some new guys who have recently returned punts/kicks in college or as Pacman as done in the NFL. Why risk #1CB Newman at this stage in his career. Doesn't make a lotta sense to me.
 

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Hostile;2070158 said:
That was a really good breakdown. Just one thing I want to say about it. If we put Terence Newman back to return punts this year at any time I may go ballistic. We have enough options to not risk him back there. I would risk all of the other guys. I would not risk him.

I'm not really sure who else can do it. Jenkins and Felix Jones are kickoff return men, but I don't think they are punt returners. (In fact, I believe one of Jones' coaches said he wasn't good at it.)

The only one of our newcomers, other than Adam Jones, that I know for sure can return punts is Amendola, and he might not make the team.

I would certainly see what the rookies could do, and if one of them turns out to be good at it, he can be the option if Adam Jones isn't reinstated. But right now, I believe Newman would be our best option since we potentially have better corner depth. (Obviously, if the rookie corners turn out to need a lot of work, I'd rather have Crayton returning punts than risk Newman.)
 

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sago1;2070221 said:
The reality is Newman is almost 30 and hasn't done much as a return man since he's been in the NFL. We've got some new guys who have recently returned punts/kicks in college or as Pacman as done in the NFL. Why risk #1CB Newman at this stage in his career. Doesn't make a lotta sense to me.

Just because they have returned kickoffs doesn't mean they can return punts. There's quite a bit of difference between the two, from how the ball is kicked to how much closer the coverage is to you when you field it.

Newman has done more as a return man than he's given credit for. Despite limited opportunities, he has a touchdown return and he's been close to breaking others. Adam Jones has obviously done more, but he's had more opportunities. For example, the year that Newman returned his punt for a touchdown, Jones also returned one for a TD, but Jones fielded four more punts that year. The next year, the discrepancy between the number of punts fielded by the two was far greater, and that's the year Jones had his three touchdown returns.

Again, if one of the young guys shows he can return punts well and Jones isn't reinstated, I don't have a problem going that direction. But Newman has game-breaking ability as a return man, and we now supposedly have the depth at corner to use him.

Obviously, though, the preferred route is for Jones to get reinstated. He is a well-established threat in that role.
 

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gimmesix;2071564 said:
I'm not really sure who else can do it. Jenkins and Felix Jones are kickoff return men, but I don't think they are punt returners. (In fact, I believe one of Jones' coaches said he wasn't good at it.)

The only one of our newcomers, other than Adam Jones, that I know for sure can return punts is Amendola, and he might not make the team.

I would certainly see what the rookies could do, and if one of them turns out to be good at it, he can be the option if Adam Jones isn't reinstated. But right now, I believe Newman would be our best option since we potentially have better corner depth. (Obviously, if the rookie corners turn out to need a lot of work, I'd rather have Crayton returning punts than risk Newman.)
I am saying if we lost Pacman I would use Amendola (if he makes the roster) and Crayton and might try one of the kickoff return guys, but I wouldn't put Newman back there ever again. He is simply too valuable.
 

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Hostile;2071590 said:
I am saying if we lost Pacman I would use Amendola (if he makes the roster) and Crayton and might try one of the kickoff return guys, but I wouldn't put Newman back there ever again. He is simply too valuable.

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gimmesix;2069966 said:
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Long snapper
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L.P. Ladouceur
WHO'S GONE No one
ANALYSIS Dallas locking up Ladouceur for five years should show what the Cowboys think of their long snapper. He's the best we've had since Dale Hellestrae and might be on the roster about as long as Hellestrae was. Ladouceur has good speed and accuracy on his snaps, and rarely is a slightly off-target. It seemed to me that he actually showed improvement last season on place-kicks. In 2006, Tony Romo did a good job of catching several snaps to the back of his forward shoulder. In 2007, I don't remember Brad Johnson having to do that.
This is a really minor thing, but the tight end we got from the Rams (I can't remember his name right now; Jeff something?) was perfect on his long snaps while he was here IIRC. Plus he was good for a touchdown or two every year playing TE in the red zone.

Not taking anything away from Ladouceur. He is indeed very good.
 

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LeonDixson;2071624 said:
This is a really minor thing, but the tight end we got from the Rams (I can't remember his name right now; Jeff something?) was perfect on his long snaps while he was here IIRC. Plus he was good for a touchdown or two every year playing TE in the red zone.

Not taking anything away from Ladouceur. He is indeed very good.

Jeff Robinson?
 

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Hostile;2071590 said:
I am saying if we lost Pacman I would use Amendola (if he makes the roster) and Crayton and might try one of the kickoff return guys, but I wouldn't put Newman back there ever again. He is simply too valuable.

I think Amendola makes the roster for this very reason. His "Welker" attributes are a bonus.
 

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LeonDixson;2071624 said:
This is a really minor thing, but the tight end we got from the Rams (I can't remember his name right now; Jeff something?) was perfect on his long snaps while he was here IIRC. Plus he was good for a touchdown or two every year playing TE in the red zone.

Not taking anything away from Ladouceur. He is indeed very good.

Yeah, you're right about Robinson being one of the few good ones we've had, but he was closing in on the end of his career. It's good to have Ladouceur this early in his.
 

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Hostile;2071590 said:
I am saying if we lost Pacman I would use Amendola (if he makes the roster) and Crayton and might try one of the kickoff return guys, but I wouldn't put Newman back there ever again. He is simply too valuable.

I just really think the chance to ramp up our return game is important, and we've possibly got only a few players who can do it.

I never liked using Newman when he was one of our only corners who was a worthy starter, but if Jenkins proves worthy of starting, I'd have no problem using Newman. I don't want to go back to Crayton or anyone like that because that means we would be giving up field position we could gain by using someone like Newman.

Fortunately we shouldn't have to worry about it. Adam Jones should be reinstated and take that role.
 

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Really though, how many people have gotten hurt returning punts? I am sure the percentage is low.
 
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