Glenn Fumble Should have been an incomplete Pass

[superpunk]

you're right - for expedience, i just posted the cliff notes version of 95% of the WAH posts on this topic.

what i meant to say was:
WAH! if we had only been treated fairly and the blasted refs didn't have us so and vegas wasn't paying off the refs to ensure we lost, that would have been classified as a catch and we'd have won for sure! THEN that would compell the team to come together as the defining moment of the season and we'd have gone on to the superbow. for SURE and have been unified beyond defeatability for at least 3 years!

WAH! let's petition the NFL office to declare that play as an official "mulligan" and since we only lost by 1, seattle loses the (2) points we got there and we won! It's only fair because i'm a cowboys fan and am tired of the ESPN bias against us even though ESPN had nothing to do with this, they should have reported it as being a viscious lie and helped us get our satisfaction out of the front office IMMEDIATELY so we can regroup and get together for the game we should be playing this weekend.

WAH!

better?

At least it's topical. And possibly therapeutic for some people. Is it any worse that whining about taking Carpenter because such and such a poster thought we could have used Oline help? (ok, that one was below the belt.

 

[iceberg]

At least it's topical. And possibly therapeutic for some people. Is it any worse that whining about taking Carpenter because such and such a poster thought we could have used Oline help? (ok, that one was below the belt.

ooo - a historical perspective coming out. : ) nah, good shot man.

 

[Way 'nuff]

Skins fan, here.

I think it was an incomplete. In fact I'm shocked they took a look at the tape and ruled it as complete.

 

[Future]

please start a new thread on this topic so i can answer you more effectively.

Why, so we can have a whole thread dedicated to your whining about other peoples whining? I don't think so buster

 

[Smashmouth24]

The ball is allowed to touch the ground as long as you control it. Glenn had it controlled. This was a rule instituted after Tampa Bay was beaten by the Rams in the 1999-00 playoffs. A Bucs receiver made a diving first down catch and the ball touched the ground but the the receiver had complete control of it and didn't use the ground to maintain control.

 

[iceberg]

Why, so we can have a whole thread dedicated to your whining about other peoples whining? I don't think so buster

but that's how we do things man! we can't find like topics and join in, our ideas and emotions are deserving of a new thread every time! i realize in a forum of this size the topic i'm sure has been covered but it just doens't matter - *I* want my name in lights and *I* wanna spawn a 3+ page thread cause it's how i justify myself to my neighbors. Yesterday in a political forum my neighbor got a thread out to 5 pages so i *KNOW* i can beat that by arguing over a call!

but if all you're going to do is whine about my whining about his whining, we're NEVER going to have good, solid convo go on here!

WAH!

 

[MRTRIPOD]

Why, so we can have a whole thread dedicated to your whining about other peoples whining? I don't think so buster

game over

LMAO!

 

[JohnLockesGhost]

how can you claim witten did not get the first down!

the ref made up the 1.5 yard line.

REPLAY has to be undisputable evidence and we can all agree that was not the case.

The ref who made the spot had the best angle!

When that play first happened I thought he was short of the first down, for sure, and that the spot was quite generous. When it went to review, I didn't think there was any way they would overturn the spot. I think it took alot of guts for that ref to make that call, because it was so close. He was half a yard short, but the ref could have easily said the play stands as called and nobody would have blamed him for it.

 

[Boysathelm]

Some of the confusion stems from the misconception of a "football move."

A football move isn't limited to taking a single step. It's the first intentional move executed by the receiving player after possession. This includes, but not limited to, running, diving, securing/tucking the ball, juking from a tackle, stiff-arming, etc.

A good example of an incomplete pass is the hit Crayton took from Sean Taylor in last year's first game against Washington, when we really needed the first down.

 

[Future]

but that's how we do things man! we can't find like topics and join in, our ideas and emotions are deserving of a new thread every time! i realize in a forum of this size the topic i'm sure has been covered but it just doens't matter - *I* want my name in lights and *I* wanna spawn a 3+ page thread cause it's how i justify myself to my neighbors. Yesterday in a political forum my neighbor got a thread out to 5 pages so i *KNOW* i can beat that by arguing over a call!

but if all you're going to do is whine about my whining about his whining, we're NEVER going to have good, solid convo go on here!

WAH!

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that the "I" you refer to is someone else...

but i hope you recognize the irony of that statemnet

 

[iceberg]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that the "I" you refer to is someone else...

but i hope you recognize the irony of that statemnet

did *I* (in this since yes me) put it in a new thread?

nope. but it was a nice try.

 

[Established1971]

THE glenn fumble was not a catch.

He never had control.

Never took a step.

Never made a football move.

The ball hit the ground as he was falling!

youre not getting much agreement here, I agree with you

 

[JohnLockesGhost]

THE glenn fumble was not a catch.

He never had control.

Never took a step.

Never made a football move.

The ball hit the ground as he was falling!

I'm guessing you would think it was a catch if he escaped his man and ran 99 yards for a touchdown. No?

 

[Future]

did *I* (in this since yes me) put it in a new thread?

nope. but it was a nice try.

would *you* be opposed to it seeing as how it was *your* idea?

nope. but its a nice try for you to try to throw the blame for this discussion at someone else by saying that they are drawing attention to themselves.

if thats not the pot calling the kettle black idk what is

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Why are so many opinions misconstrued as whining on this board?:bang2:

That is why. Or, it can also mean, I disagree so I will resort to triteness. or ridicule. Which is not allowed. Unless you are an old guy here.

 

[iceberg]

would *you* be opposed to it seeing as how it was *your* idea?

nope. but its a nice try for you to try to throw the blame for this discussion at someone else by saying that they are drawing attention to themselves.

if thats not the pot calling the kettle black idk what is

look dude - there's no good answer for this, unfortunately.

someone wants to post a thread, 9 times out of 10 they'll start their own regardless of how many times it's already up and going and "in topic". it's why "merge threads" was created.

now, another "no good answer" is catching people in differnet mooods and having them comment on it. it's gonna happen.

the next step in the evolution is for someone to get yet another step up to morality in a forum by someone telling the person whining about someone elses "alledged" whining is just as annoying.

nevermind they can't see that take out the 1st whiner, they're now the one whining about the whiner and *also* doing all the things they're yelling at the whiner of the 2nd part, relegating the 1st whiner (the whiner of the 1st part) out of the equation, slipping the whiner of the 2nd part to the now whiner so they can in turn whine about the whining.

it's another one of those "no good answer for" things online.

but thanks for letting me know via my own tactics that my tactics were wrong, but ok for you since you were only trying to do the right thing.

the world somehow makes sense now.

 

[Future]

look dude - there's no good answer for this, unfortunately.

someone wants to post a thread, 9 times out of 10 they'll start their own regardless of how many times it's already up and going and "in topic". it's why "merge threads" was created.

now, another "no good answer" is catching people in differnet mooods and having them comment on it. it's gonna happen.

the next step in the evolution is for someone to get yet another step up to morality in a forum by someone telling the person whining about someone elses "alledged" whining is just as annoying.

but thanks for letting me know via my own tactics that my tactics were wrong, but ok for you since you were only trying to do the right thing.

the world somehow makes sense now.

don't call me dude...

i agree w/ the italicized

but there is a difference between defending an opinion, and attacking it. and my original post was not a direct attack at you although i can see how you got that. But there are countless times where it happens and someone is called an "idiot," "moron," "******," or "troll."

I never said im doing the right thing, i'm well aware that its similar to what you do...but i find it difficult to not post something like what i did when countless times peoples' ideas, arguments, or opinions are completely discredited by other posters simply for being different. Its fine to disagree, but to belittle someones opinion is ludacris imo.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Catch (He had control of the ball when it touched the turf)

Fumble

Safety

That's the way it was called and it can't be changed

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

He had full control of it when it hit the ground the first time, the ball never moved in his hands. Had he dropped it then, might have been incomplete. He got up and was hit, fumble, safety.

Irony of it all Worst part is, we won the challenge (had to challenge it) but winning the challenge ultimately cost us the game. If they score then, we get the ball back with 6 minutes to go tied. Instead, they got the ball, went ahead and we were behind.

Still, had to challenge it.

 

[iceberg]

don't call me dude...

i agree w/ the italicized

but there is a difference between defending an opinion, and attacking it. and my original post was not a direct attack at you although i can see how you got that. But there are countless times where it happens and someone is called an "idiot," "moron," "******," or "troll."

I never said im doing the right thing, i'm well aware that its similar to what you do...but i find it difficult to not post something like what i did when countless times peoples' ideas, arguments, or opinions are completely discredited by other posters simply for being different. Its fine to disagree, but to belittle someones opinion is ludacris imo.

we're now in a "common ground of disagreement where there simply is again - no good answer. we all come in and post around our own time, attitude/mood of the day and for however it's going to his us in our own way.

we're in a hurry and have to see someone go BUT BUT BUT IT WASN'T A CATCH!!!! it gets old. esp. when we have game threads and other thread already in progress that are dealing with the very topic. go find it and dive in with others who are already wanting to talk about this and have yet to have enough stimulating conversation on how bad the refs are on any given play.

like you, i find it difficult to not say something when i've alreaedy had to wade through it time and again which only lets me know for a fact it's there vs. seeing someone have to dredge it up again vs. join the convos already going on.

it's a never ending story man with no good way to do it cause we all post differently and that's not likely to change regardless of how many groups or filters people put up. (not a slam, just a recognition of a tough job to run a forum and make as many happy as you can).