GM embarasses Facebook right before IPO

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I've gotta say. This whole Facebook IPO is nothing but the Facebook owners trying to dig out as much cash as they can while at the top. Facebook is about as big as it's going to get and it's user base has actually started to decline.

I wouldn't touch this IPO. It's definitely not as bad a Groupon was (you could see that was a train-wreck from a mile away) If Facebook IPOs at the price they think it's worth, it has no place to go but down after it's initial buying spree.

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General Motors pulls annual $10 million worth of ads from Facebook

General Motors has announced that it would be pulling its paid advertising from Facebook, saying that it had too little impact. The announcement could not come at a worse time for the social media giant, which is expected to file its initial public offering on Friday.

The newspaper reported that GM spends $40 million annually to maintain a presence on Facebook, with a quarter of that in paid advertising.

Industry analysts have recently reported that companies are beginning to re-evaluate social media-based advertising.

“Companies in industries from consumer electronics to financial services tell us they’re no longer sure Facebook is the best place to dedicate their social marketing budget—a shocking fact given the site’s dominance among users,” wrote Melissa Parrish, a Forrester analyst, on Monday.

This week, the company raised its target price range to $34 to $38 per share. That's up from $28 to $35 per share, where it had been as of earlier this month.

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Another embarrassing thing for Facebook was that co-founder Eduardo Saverin renounced his American citizenship last week so he could avoid taxes in regards to the IPO...
 

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trickblue;4562863 said:
Another embarrassing thing for Facebook was that co-founder Eduardo Saverin renounced his American citizenship last week so he could avoid taxes in regards to the IPO...

Yet he is going to get taxed anyhow. (Exit Tax) That tax is estimated at around $365M.

Bloomberg said in one of their articles that he can defer it until he actually sells the shares, but I was told by someone else that exit taxes are due immediately unlike capital gains taxes that are due once their values becomes realized. (shares sold)

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Actually, Bloomberg is wrong. He will be taxed on the value as of the day before he renounces.

Mark-to-market tax: an exit tax on the “deemed sale” of all your assets

The first main provision is a tax on the “deemed sale” of all your assets the day before expatriation. In other words, you are taxed on the mark-to-market net gain of all your assets.

For the mark-to-market tax, you calculate as if you had sold all your assets on the day before expatriation. You have to pay tax on the theoretical profit which that sale would have given you.
 

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Sam I Am;4562892 said:
Yet he is going to get taxed anyhow. (Exit Tax) That tax is estimated at around $365M.

Bloomberg said in one of their articles that he can defer it until he actually sells the shares, but I was told by someone else that exit taxes are due immediately unlike capital gains taxes that are due once their values becomes realized. (shares sold)

EDIT:

Actually, Bloomberg is wrong. He will be taxed on the value as of the day before he renounces.

Either way it's pretty sorry... raised in the US... educated in the US... wealthy because of the US... then bails...
 

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trickblue;4562914 said:
Either way it's pretty sorry... raised in the US... educated in the US... wealthy because of the US... then bails...

Yeah. I wouldn't allow him to return to the US either. He is out, don't let him back in.
 

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Nothing internet based is a long term good deal. If you are a short termer then take a shot, but I wouldn't do it.
 

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Sam I Am;4562796 said:
I've gotta say. This whole Facebook IPO is nothing but the Facebook owners trying to dig out as much cash as they can while at the top. Facebook is about as big as it's going to get and it's user base has actually started to decline.

I wouldn't touch this IPO. It's definitely not as bad a Groupon was (you could see that was a train-wreck from a mile away) If Facebook IPOs at the price they think it's worth, it has no place to go but down after it's initial buying spree.

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General Motors pulls annual $10 million worth of ads from Facebook

General Motors has announced that it would be pulling its paid advertising from Facebook, saying that it had too little impact. The announcement could not come at a worse time for the social media giant, which is expected to file its initial public offering on Friday.

The newspaper reported that GM spends $40 million annually to maintain a presence on Facebook, with a quarter of that in paid advertising.

Industry analysts have recently reported that companies are beginning to re-evaluate social media-based advertising.

“Companies in industries from consumer electronics to financial services tell us they’re no longer sure Facebook is the best place to dedicate their social marketing budget—a shocking fact given the site’s dominance among users,” wrote Melissa Parrish, a Forrester analyst, on Monday.

This week, the company raised its target price range to $34 to $38 per share. That's up from $28 to $35 per share, where it had been as of earlier this month.

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Why would government motors do that? Who did Zuckerberg piss off?
 

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Sam I Am;4562929 said:
Yeah. I wouldn't allow him to return to the US either. He is out, don't let him back in.

Unless of course he sneaks back in illegally, then he can get some bennies and interest group backing... :muttley:


Sorry, sorry; I know. :D
 

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trickblue;4562863 said:
Another embarrassing thing for Facebook was that co-founder Eduardo Saverin renounced his American citizenship last week so he could avoid taxes in regards to the IPO...

One America isn't what it used to be and two, for a billion dollars I might do the same thing.

You know I love our country trick, but maybe the folks in DC should reconsider the punitive tax system we are currently using.

This is no worse than GE knowingly losing billions on crap derivative investments to offset their record profits from their energy divisions.
 

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JBond;4562960 said:
One America isn't what it used to be and two, for a billion dollars I might do the same thing.

You know I love our country trick, but maybe the folks in DC should reconsider the punitive tax system we are currently using.

This is no worse than GE knowingly losing billions on crap derivative investments to offset their record profits from their energy divisions.

What they need is a flat tax based on incoming with no offsetting at all. That would kill all loopholes.

What they should do about what this ***hat did, is tax him 100% on every dollar he earned as a US citizen with this. Consider the money he gets from this as a paycheck and make him pay payroll tax on it or take it straight out of Facebooks coffers. Then ban him from the US all together.
 

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cowboys#1;4562968 said:
whats wrong with trying make as much money as possible while you can?
It's mildly annoying for the public ; )
 

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According to Bloomberg, he's saving $67 million by renouncing his citizenship.
 

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Sam I Am;4562929 said:
Yeah. I wouldn't allow him to return to the US either. He is out, don't let him back in.

He has contributed more to the world than both of you ever will... Who are you to even think you have a say in this?

Nobodies jealous about a somebody.
 

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cowboys#1;4562968 said:
whats wrong with trying make as much money as possible while you can?

Whats wrong? Nothing.... SamIAm is just jealous because he failed in his goals and this guy found success....
 

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Sam I Am;4562972 said:
What they need is a flat tax based on incoming with no offsetting at all. That would kill all loopholes.

What they should do about what this ***hat did, is tax him 100% on every dollar he earned as a US citizen with this. Consider the money he gets from this as a paycheck and make him pay payroll tax on it or take it straight out of Facebooks coffers. Then ban him from the US all together.

even as a tourist?
 

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ROUSH8692;4572646 said:
He has contributed more to the world than both of you ever will... Who are you to even think you have a say in this?

Nobodies jealous about a somebody.

I'm not being facetious, but what exactly did he contribute to the world?
 

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trickblue;4572787 said:
I'm not being facetious, but what exactly did he contribute to the world?

helped start the social media revolution which has changed completely the way we market products, interact and deal with people
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;4572814 said:
helped start the social media revolution which has changed completely the way we market products, interact and deal with people

Its also great place for child porn sharing, stalking, and easy way to bully.

I will never understand how people can think that Facebook is actually important and beneficial to their lives. Yes, its a good way to give important updates to friends and family, but I could care less if my cousin wants to be on "the Bachelor" or some other stupid thought that fills up 90% of peoples pages.
 
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