News: Gonna have to Tackle from Belt to Numbers:

Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by coult44, Aug 27, 2013.

  1. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Moderator

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    Ok guys. Moving to the rant zone.
  2. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    So, has it passed your notice that people sue the cigarette companies for their dead loved pones and win?

    Sorry if that was a little obscure.
  3. Cowboys22

    Cowboys22 Well-Known Member

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    In that case he would just be lost for the rest of that year. He would be reinstated for the following season. I would not advocate for forcing a guy to retire or being suspended for life for unintentionally causing a career ending injury. In that case he may be suspended for the rest of that season but be allowed to play the following year.
  4. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    I called this a while back. As soon as they started flagging clean hits up high and fining guys tons of amounts for the illegal hits I knew for sure this conversation would come up.

    It's all stemming from Dustin Keller getting his knee entirely blown out. Here's the play.

    That might be the end of his career. Think he dislocated it and tore 3 ligaments. He's closing in on 30 and I doubt he's ever the same.

    There was a DB on Mike & Mike, can't remember who. Maybe a former DB, not really sure. He said that it's pretty much an unwritten rule that you don't go low on a guy who doesn't see you coming. It was one of those "you just don't do it, period" type of things that he said he had learned young and always played with. However, if a guy can see you're coming to make the tackle going low is a part of the game. He said that sometimes against TEs he'd go low just to put it out there that he may do it again if he has to get that guy to the ground in a similar situation.

    The counter argument is that you'll have to potentially give up a first down if you can't get the guy to the ground by hitting him in the mid section. They had a good discussion on it (Mike & Mike is easily one of the best radio shows out there) and they said that a "strike zone" is coming because they aren't going to back off on going high and they can't let guys have their legs folded up like Keller's was. Their guest said he would have buried a shoulder right into his midsection and relied on bringing enough impact with him to knock the guy back but he did admit that he always viewed himself as a hitter so he wanted to put a good hit on someone.

    Ultimately I agree with their guest. If a guy doesn't see you coming and can't defend himself, you don't go low. This play happened because Keller was just landing as the hit occurred so there was too much downward force for his leg get carried through like you would normally see and the result is a horrific injury.

    They don't need a broad rule reducing all low hits. If a guy has turned upfield and can see you coming, it's fair game. Just add a stipulation that prevents knee shots to a defenseless receiver. Had the DB gone up high, he's flagged because Keller had barely touched the ground and didn't have an opportunity to defend himself.

    You can't just say no going all together because you have some extra large guys out there who can't be stopped unless you chop them down. If all they did was amend the defenseless player rule, it probably wouldn't ever even be an issue.
  5. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't like to see that.

    Say Morris or Carr lay into a 4th or 5th WR for the Eagles/Giants/Skins and knocks him silly, giving him a concussion. They just put him on IR and the offending player is out for the year. There would be no arguing it because tests for concussion are basically symptomatic reports by the player.
  6. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    I'm betting most rules usually start that way.

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