Good decisions outweigh mistakes

[xwalker]

Jimmy took a team in shambles and won 2 Super Bowls within 5 years.

He made s few mistakes along the way. Here are some of them:

Rhondy Weston - 3rd, 1989
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

Stan Smagala - 5th, 1990
Cut in 2nd training camp.
Dallas traded the following picks to get him:
sixth round (#158-James Williams)
eighth round (#197-Arthur Jimerson)
ninth round (#230-Leon Perry)
tenth round (#259-Jim Szymanski)
eleventh round (#304-Myron Jones)

James Richards - 3rd, 1991
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

Jimmy Smith - 2nd, 1992
Cut after 2 sessons. Became 5x Pro Bowl player for the Jags.

James Brown - 3rd, 1992
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

James Middleton - 3rd, 1993
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

 

[tyke1doe]

Rather, Super Bowl wins outweigh mistakes.

 

[zekecowboy]

One of Jimmy Johnsons biggest mistakes:

Jimmy Smith - 2nd, 1992
Cut after 2 seasons. Became 5x Pro Bowl player for the Jags.

Jimmy took a team in shambles and won 2 Super Bowls within 5 years.

He made s few mistakes along the way. Here are some of them:

Rhondy Weston - 3rd, 1989
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

Stan Smagala - 5th, 1990
Cut in 2nd training camp.
Dallas traded the following picks to get him:
sixth round (#158-James Williams)
eighth round (#197-Arthur Jimerson)
ninth round (#230-Leon Perry)
tenth round (#259-Jim Szymanski)
eleventh round (#304-Myron Jones)

James Richards - 3rd, 1991
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

Jimmy Smith - 2nd, 1992
Cut after 2 sessons. Became 5x Pro Bowl player for the Jags.

James Brown - 3rd, 1992
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

James Middleton - 3rd, 1993
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

 

[pitt33]

Jimmy took a team in shambles and won 2 Super Bowls within 5 years.

He made s few mistakes along the way. Here are some of them:

Rhondy Weston - 3rd, 1989
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

Stan Smagala - 5th, 1990
Cut in 2nd training camp.
Dallas traded the following picks to get him:
sixth round (#158-James Williams)
eighth round (#197-Arthur Jimerson)
ninth round (#230-Leon Perry)
tenth round (#259-Jim Szymanski)
eleventh round (#304-Myron Jones)

James Richards - 3rd, 1991
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

Jimmy Smith - 2nd, 1992
Cut after 2 sessons. Became 5x Pro Bowl player for the Jags.

James Brown - 3rd, 1992
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

James Middleton - 3rd, 1993
Cut in training camp as a rookie.

Good research xman

 

[xwalker]

One of Jimmy Johnsons biggest mistakes:

Jimmy Smith - 2nd, 1992
Cut after 2 seasons. Became 5x Pro Bowl player for the Jags.

I think Jerry instigated that issue but I don't think they would cut anybody without Jimmy signing off on it.

 

[zekecowboy]

Smith was selected in the second round (36th overall) of the 1992 NFL Draft by the Dallas Cowboys.[2] As a rookie, he broke his right fibula during the Dallas Blue-White Scrimmage and recovered to play in just seven games as a special teamer, without registering a reception.[3]

In 1993, he was leading the team in pre-season receptions and was one of the candidates for the third receiver job. On August 24, he underwent an emergency appendectomy and later developed a severe post-surgical infection (causing four abscesses in his stomach) that was nearly fatal and forced him miss the entire season, including Super Bowl XXVIII.[4] After being placed on a list for players with non-football related injuries, he had to go to arbitration to receive his full salary.[5] He was waived on July 11, 1994, after he wouldn't accept a pay cut.

I think Jerry instigated that issue but I don't think they would cut anybody without Jimmy signing off on it.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

This is common in drafts. If you can get 3 quality starters in a draft class, even if it takes a couple of guys a few years to become quality starters, then it's usually a good draft class. That's why Jimmy stockpiled picks. He saw the advantage of having homegrown talent and if he had, say a 40% success rate then the only way to get more good players is to have more picks. If I have 7 picks, I may be fortunate if 3 of them work out. But if I have 12 and I'm at that same success rate, now 5 work out.

One of the things I like what Belichick does is he will stockpile picks to not only get quality players, but to motivate the veterans. He had the greatest slot receiver of all time in Wes Welker and he drafts Edelman. Edelman motivates Welker and also allows them insurance if Welker gets injured. And when Edelman was ready and Welker's contract demands were cost prohibitive, they were ready to put Edelman as his replacement.

It's something I wish the Cowboys would do more...not being afraid to draft a good player at a position that is already taken by a quality veteran in order to provide motivation to the veteran and give us insurance if the vet gets injured or costs too much.





YR

 

[gmoney112]

This is common in drafts. If you can get 3 quality starters in a draft class, even if it takes a couple of guys a few years to become quality starters, then it's usually a good draft class. That's why Jimmy stockpiled picks. He saw the advantage of having homegrown talent and if he had, say a 40% success rate then the only way to get more good players is to have more picks. If I have 7 picks, I may be fortunate if 3 of them work out. But if I have 12 and I'm at that same success rate, now 5 work out.

One of the things I like what Belichick does is he will stockpile picks to not only get quality players, but to motivate the veterans. He had the greatest slot receiver of all time in Wes Welker and he drafts Edelman. Edelman motivates Welker and also allows them insurance if Welker gets injured. And when Edelman was ready and Welker's contract demands were cost prohibitive, they were ready to put Edelman as his replacement.

It's something I wish the Cowboys would do more...not being afraid to draft a good player at a position that is already taken by a quality veteran in order to provide motivation to the veteran and give us insurance if the vet gets injured or costs too much.





YR

We just did the exact same thing by drafting Switzer. Maybe Jason was taking notes from Bill.

 

[xwalker]

Smith was selected in the second round (36th overall) of the 1992 NFL Draft by the Dallas Cowboys.[2] As a rookie, he broke his right fibula during the Dallas Blue-White Scrimmage and recovered to play in just seven games as a special teamer, without registering a reception.[3]

In 1993, he was leading the team in pre-season receptions and was one of the candidates for the third receiver job. On August 24, he underwent an emergency appendectomy and later developed a severe post-surgical infection (causing four abscesses in his stomach) that was nearly fatal and forced him miss the entire season, including Super Bowl XXVIII.[4] After being placed on a list for players with non-football related injuries, he had to go to arbitration to receive his full salary.[5] He was waived on July 11, 1994, after he wouldn't accept a pay cut.

Yes, Jerry was mad about paying a player that didn't play. Jerry was cheap back then. Remember how he wouldn't pay Emmitt which caused him to hold out the first 2 games of 1993?

 

[CCBoy]

Yes, Jerry was mad about paying a player that didn't play. Jerry was cheap back then. Remember how he wouldn't pay Emmitt which caused him to hold out the first 2 games of 1993?

Until late in the process, under Jerry, a linebacker just wasn't offered a salary of $1 million for a season.

 

[zekecowboy]

I believe Dallas lost their first two games that year when Emmitt held out.

Yes, Jerry was mad about paying a player that didn't play. Jerry was cheap back then. Remember how he wouldn't pay Emmitt which caused him to hold out the first 2 games of 1993?

 

[Verdict]

I believe Dallas lost their first two games that year when Emmitt held out.

That is correct. Aikman campaigned heavily after they fell to 0 and 2 for Jerry to get Emmitt Smith (wordsmith) signed.

 

[pitt33]

This is common in drafts. If you can get 3 quality starters in a draft class, even if it takes a couple of guys a few years to become quality starters, then it's usually a good draft class. That's why Jimmy stockpiled picks. He saw the advantage of having homegrown talent and if he had, say a 40% success rate then the only way to get more good players is to have more picks. If I have 7 picks, I may be fortunate if 3 of them work out. But if I have 12 and I'm at that same success rate, now 5 work out.

One of the things I like what Belichick does is he will stockpile picks to not only get quality players, but to motivate the veterans. He had the greatest slot receiver of all time in Wes Welker and he drafts Edelman. Edelman motivates Welker and also allows them insurance if Welker gets injured. And when Edelman was ready and Welker's contract demands were cost prohibitive, they were ready to put Edelman as his replacement.

It's something I wish the Cowboys would do more...not being afraid to draft a good player at a position that is already taken by a quality veteran in order to provide motivation to the veteran and give us insurance if the vet gets injured or costs too much.





YR

Case in point: how about when they drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and they had Aikman? And to be quite honest, Aikman struggled early on his career. And I remember that Aikman was really mad at Jimmy for taking Walsh.

In hindsight that draft pick was based solely on the premise that Walsh was going to be traded anyway and we soon witnessed what kind of player Aikman would become.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Rather, Super Bowl wins outweigh mistakes.

Yea, winning 2 SuperBowls over a 5 year period kinda says your hits were far better than your misses.

Lets see, its year 8 for Garrett and we have what, one playoff win?

That kinda says your misses are far worse than your hits.

/thread

 

[LeonDixson]

Yes, Jerry was mad about paying a player that didn't play. Jerry was cheap back then. Remember how he wouldn't pay Emmitt which caused him to hold out the first 2 games of 1993?

That's why we lost Ken Norton Jr. too. I remember reports of them saying they were not going to pay a linebacker a million dollars.

EDIT: Oops, I should have read the entire thread before posting. CCBoy beat me to it.

 

[CCBoy]

Case in point: how about when they drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and they had Aikman? And to be quite honest, Aikman struggled early on his career. And I remember that Aikman was really mad at Jimmy for taking Walsh.

In hindsight that draft pick was based solely on the premise that Walsh was going to be traded anyway and we soon witnessed what kind of player Aikman would become.

Case in point: how about when they drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and they had Aikman? And to be quite honest, Aikman struggled early on his career. And I remember that Aikman was really mad at Jimmy for taking Walsh.

In hindsight that draft pick was based solely on the premise that Walsh was going to be traded anyway and we soon witnessed what kind of player Aikman would become.

(coughing loudly) Naw, Jimmy preferred his man, Walsh...and brought in the son of Miami's Head coach with the guarantee that he would be the Offensive Coordinator. Jimmy almost lost Troy Aikman, until as a last resort, Jerry brought in Norv Turner. Turner built an entire offense around Troy Aikman...and THEN, the rest was history.

 

[CCBoy]

That's why we lost Ken Norton Jr. too. I remember reports of them saying they were not going to pay a linebacker a million dollars.

EDIT: Oops, I should have read the entire thread before posting. CCBoy beat me to it.

Full explanations are fair game...no harm at all.

 

[visionary]

Jimmys biggest mistake was not mentioned by X

It was hiring a red head named Jason Garrett to be back up QB

The franchise is still paying the price of that one seemingly innocent mistake and will cont to do so for the foreseeable future

 

[Cowboy89]

Monti Kiffin would be an interesting D coordinator choice. Lovie Smith too.

 

[jazzcat22]

Jimmy had a lot of draft picks which he turned into more draft picks. He had some to take chances on. At the time some of the players he took seemed to be good at the time. Though some were head scratchers, like picking some of his own guys from U of Miami.

Taking Walsh in the supplemental draft was dumb. We could have had the 1st pick in the next years draft. He did trade back up in another draft to get Maryland, a very good player but was still not the best move. He eventually got a 1,2 and 3 from NO for Walsh. But I don't think he ever got the value for all those moves as he could have. What did we give up to give the rocket who he could have just drafted to begin with? Or was that later on after he left?

Anyway, the best move was from trades he didn't make and Emmitt fell to us, so he traded up 4 spots to draft him.

But still it is what he and his staff did with all these players they did draft or drafted others because of the ones they couldn't draft. They coached them, they made the right decisions and made adjustments. They were prepared. Something that this coaching staff fail to do on a weekly basis. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes, they do not. But Jimmy's teams got it right more than this staff does.